The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

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Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program.

I can promise you that Harvard doesn’t want kids who cannot read or write. But there are laws to protect them from discrimination.

Yes. There are many CEOs who report to have been dyslexic to some degree. Also many prison inmates. Let’s not go there. Dyslexia does not make you smarter or more likely to own a business.

I wouldn’t say kids with LDs or ADHD have more grit either. They are just normal kids.

I can promise you that Harvard wants a kid that is able to perform within a certain range and if that child is blind and/or profoundly dyslexic... all the better.

Sorry, a perfect score ... good for your state schools honor program... not Harvard.

FFS why are you against disclosing accommodations then?

I’m not. It’s against the law. You want to get rid if hipaa? Disclose all medical information.

Also disclose how much test prep.

I’m all about transparency.

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Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

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You are incorrect here. People with LDs are much more likely to be successful entrepreneurs and own their own businesses.

Nope. Only in fairy tale land. Citation?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

You should absolutely have your kid do that. Report back how well it works out for them to look like they think they are better than people with disabilities and lack compassion and empathy.

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Anonymous wrote:The long game is life. Tests, college, etc, are practice for life.

Everyone has different abilities and brings different talents. That is a good thing.

Pretending that a student who takes twice as long to complete a test is the same as a student who doesnt need extra time is a fraud.

It doesnt help the student with extra time. It sets them up for failure when they hit the real world where performance matters and everyone is taking the same "test" with the same amount of time.

Instead of trying to pretend they are the same as everyone else, the students should be trying to develop other qualities which distinguish them.

This is the damage that the everybody-gets-a-trophy trend has done to our society. It’s no longer acceptable to have strengths and weaknesses. If you’re strong at math but struggle with reading, you simply must get a diagnosis and accommodations so that you can do everything perfectly. If you struggle with math...same story. It is simply required that everyone be great at everything. Bs are not acceptable. Cs are considered failure. Everyone must stand on the appropriate size box so that we all appear the same height, and we can all reach things that we may or may not even want...and when we finally do get that first job, some will still rise to the top while others lag behind. Accomodations don’t make the playing field level. Everyone’s skill set and abilities do not become even. It’s all an illusion. Instead of focusing on hiding what may keep us from being successful in one thing or another, why not choose genuine success in another discipline or career?

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You are incorrect here. People with LDs are much more likely to be successful entrepreneurs and own their own businesses.

Nope. Only in fairy tale land. Citation?

https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/jan/15/dyslexic-entrepreneurs-competitive-edge-business-leaders

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You are incorrect here. People with LDs are much more likely to be successful entrepreneurs and own their own businesses.

Nope. Only in fairy tale land. Citation?

here is one. https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/jan/15/dyslexic-entrepreneurs-competitive-edge-business-leaders

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You are incorrect here. People with LDs are much more likely to be successful entrepreneurs and own their own businesses.

Nope. Only in fairy tale land. Citation?

here is one. https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/jan/15/dyslexic-entrepreneurs-competitive-edge-business-leaders

But this is in UK where there are no extended time accommodations and for the US, prior to all the accommodations being widespread.

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You are incorrect here. People with LDs are much more likely to be successful entrepreneurs and own their own businesses.

Nope. Only in fairy tale land. Citation?

here is one. https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/jan/15/dyslexic-entrepreneurs-competitive-edge-business-leaders

Then they should be happy to disclose their diagnosis and take the same teat with the same time allocation as everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:As an employer I want to know that it takes you twice as long to get something done before I hire you. If you have other talents that make up for that, great. But I want the information needed to decide if the tradeoff makes sense for my firm.

As an employer, you are not entitled to any consideration here. Colleges and students represent the markets for these tests.

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Anonymous wrote:The long game is life. Tests, college, etc, are practice for life.

Everyone has different abilities and brings different talents. That is a good thing.

Pretending that a student who takes twice as long to complete a test is the same as a student who doesnt need extra time is a fraud.

It doesnt help the student with extra time. It sets them up for failure when they hit the real world where performance matters and everyone is taking the same "test" with the same amount of time.

Instead of trying to pretend they are the same as everyone else, the students should be trying to develop other qualities which distinguish them.

This is the damage that the everybody-gets-a-trophy trend has done to our society. It’s no longer acceptable to have strengths and weaknesses. If you’re strong at math but struggle with reading, you simply must get a diagnosis and accommodations so that you can do everything perfectly. If you struggle with math...same story. It is simply required that everyone be great at everything. Bs are not acceptable. Cs are considered failure. Everyone must stand on the appropriate size box so that we all appear the same height, and we can all reach things that we may or may not even want...and when we finally do get that first job, some will still rise to the top while others lag behind. Accomodations don’t make the playing field level. Everyone’s skill set and abilities do not become even. It’s all an illusion. Instead of focusing on hiding what may keep us from being successful in one thing or another, why not choose genuine success in another discipline or career?

This mentality is more rampant on the east coast. There are other parts of the country where C's are more acceptable. I don't care for the pressure cooker mentality here, but I knew it would be like this before moving here.

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Set aside the rational, Darwinian attitude of making sure my kids get theirs vs. other kids. Which is actually brutally logical. I respect that.

But what about really smart kids trapped inside some condition that impairs their ability to abide by normal rules. Dyslexia, ADHD, autism. There are likely some truly creative bright minds that we would miss as a society if we just hammered these kids with zero accommodations.

We as a society would be poorer for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

Yes. And also point out how they were not "red shirted", in case an admissions official forgot to do the math when they saw the birthdate.

In fact, this could be a whole essay. The Unfairness I Overcame by Entering Kindergarten On Time and Not Receiving Testing Accommodations for a Disability I Have Not Been Diagnosed With.

You're welcome, OP!