The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

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Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't read all 17 pages, but I hope someone already said this: the entire test should just be untimed for everyone. Well, the proctors will want to go home at some point, so make it like 12 hours or something ridiculously long.

and kids can't leave until everybody is done.

Most kids with fake ADHD diagnoses get time and half. Time and half for all works well. I have no doubt in the next few years this will happen. If it’s a speed test it’s a speed test. If not give more time to all.

It's not a speed test. Sure give everybody more time.. and pay for it in increased cost.

It will cost a lot of money with no extra benefit, except sooth the fears of strivers.

I've never heard of a business model that does that... more money no benefit.

We will pay for the fairer test. Speed is a factor. But I guess I have to pay for getting accommodations for my kid instead...

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Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a speed test. Sure give everybody more time.. and pay for it in increased cost.

It will cost a lot of money with no extra benefit, except sooth the fears of strivers.

I've never heard of a business model that does that... more money no benefit.

Shows how little you know about the ACT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read all 17 pages, but I hope someone already said this: the entire test should just be untimed for everyone. Well, the proctors will want to go home at some point, so make it like 12 hours or something ridiculously long.

and kids can't leave until everybody is done.

Most kids with fake ADHD diagnoses get time and half. Time and half for all works well. I have no doubt in the next few years this will happen. If it’s a speed test it’s a speed test. If not give more time to all.

It's not a speed test. Sure give everybody more time.. and pay for it in increased cost.

It will cost a lot of money with no extra benefit, except sooth the fears of strivers.

I've never heard of a business model that does that... more money no benefit.

We will pay for the fairer test. Speed is a factor. But I guess I have to pay for getting accommodations for my kid instead...

You will but WE won't... most people don't give a cramp.

Speed is not a factor, it's all about the Benjamins.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a speed test. Sure give everybody more time.. and pay for it in increased cost.

It will cost a lot of money with no extra benefit, except sooth the fears of strivers.

I've never heard of a business model that does that... more money no benefit.

Shows how little you know about the ACT.

No. It shows how little you know about the ACT test.

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Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program.

I can promise you that Harvard doesn’t want kids who cannot read or write. But there are laws to protect them from discrimination.

Yes. There are many CEOs who report to have been dyslexic to some degree. Also many prison inmates. Let’s not go there. Dyslexia does not make you smarter or more likely to own a business.

I wouldn’t say kids with LDs or ADHD have more grit either. They are just normal kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program.

I can promise you that Harvard doesn’t want kids who cannot read or write. But there are laws to protect them from discrimination.

Yes. There are many CEOs who report to have been dyslexic to some degree. Also many prison inmates. Let’s not go there. Dyslexia does not make you smarter or more likely to own a business.

I wouldn’t say kids with LDs or ADHD have more grit either. They are just normal kids.

I can promise you that Harvard wants a kid that is able to perform within a certain range and if that child is blind and/or profoundly dyslexic... all the better.

Sorry, a perfect score ... good for your state schools honor program... not Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Take it up with your congressional rep.
Also, read the Americans with Disabilities Act.

There is nothing wrong in principle with time-based accommodations. There is a lot wrong with ones that are secured in a manner that is basically fraudulent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program.

I can promise you that Harvard doesn’t want kids who cannot read or write. But there are laws to protect them from discrimination.

Yes. There are many CEOs who report to have been dyslexic to some degree. Also many prison inmates. Let’s not go there. Dyslexia does not make you smarter or more likely to own a business.

I wouldn’t say kids with LDs or ADHD have more grit either. They are just normal kids.

I can promise you that Harvard wants a kid that is able to perform within a certain range and if that child is blind and/or profoundly dyslexic... all the better.

Sorry, a perfect score ... good for your state schools honor program... not Harvard.

FFS why are you against disclosing accommodations then?

[Anonymous]

The long game is life. Tests, college, etc, are practice for life.

Everyone has different abilities and brings different talents. That is a good thing.

Pretending that a student who takes twice as long to complete a test is the same as a student who doesnt need extra time is a fraud.

It doesnt help the student with extra time. It sets them up for failure when they hit the real world where performance matters and everyone is taking the same "test" with the same amount of time.

Instead of trying to pretend they are the same as everyone else, the students should be trying to develop other qualities which distinguish them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is as bright, if not brighter than your kid. Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures of achievement.

Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program.

I can promise you that Harvard doesn’t want kids who cannot read or write. But there are laws to protect them from discrimination.

Yes. There are many CEOs who report to have been dyslexic to some degree. Also many prison inmates. Let’s not go there. Dyslexia does not make you smarter or more likely to own a business.

I wouldn’t say kids with LDs or ADHD have more grit either. They are just normal kids.

You are incorrect here. People with LDs are much more likely to be successful entrepreneurs and own their own businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The long game is life. Tests, college, etc, are practice for life.

Everyone has different abilities and brings different talents. That is a good thing.

Pretending that a student who takes twice as long to complete a test is the same as a student who doesnt need extra time is a fraud.

It doesnt help the student with extra time. It sets them up for failure when they hit the real world where performance matters and everyone is taking the same "test" with the same amount of time.

Instead of trying to pretend they are the same as everyone else, the students should be trying to develop other qualities which distinguish them.

They are not like everybody else, which is why Harvard wants them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The long game is life. Tests, college, etc, are practice for life.

Everyone has different abilities and brings different talents. That is a good thing.

Pretending that a student who takes twice as long to complete a test is the same as a student who doesnt need extra time is a fraud.

It doesnt help the student with extra time. It sets them up for failure when they hit the real world where performance matters and everyone is taking the same "test" with the same amount of time.

Instead of trying to pretend they are the same as everyone else, the students should be trying to develop other qualities which distinguish them.

They are not like everybody else, which is why Harvard wants them.

So they should be delighted to disclose they need accommodations. Otherwise they are lying.