SAT "adversity" adjustment

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Anonymous wrote:Ho boy. If you ever wanted to incentivize the appearance of disadvantage, here it is. Watch as parents rush to their department store DNA tests to claim "ancestry" in faraway lands in order to claim allegiance to some oppressed minority. Watch social failings like single-parent households, high crime rates, divorce and abuse become marketable assets. This is disgusting.

Single parent households and divorce are in the same category as high crime rates and abuse? I disagree with the adversity points, but the upside is that it annoys crazy people like you.

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Imagine the score will be wildly inaccurate for military families, which typically move every few years. They’ll be scored on a location where they have only briefly lived.

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Anonymous wrote:Ho boy. If you ever wanted to incentivize the appearance of disadvantage, here it is. Watch as parents rush to their department store DNA tests to claim "ancestry" in faraway lands in order to claim allegiance to some oppressed minority. Watch social failings like single-parent households, high crime rates, divorce and abuse become marketable assets. This is disgusting.

Oh, why didn't I get pregnant in my teens and live in that crime ridden neighborhood?

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So, need blind schools can see information about ability to pay without the family providing the info?

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Anonymous wrote:Not good news for Asians.

Not necessarily- it will help low income Asians who are often overlooked like Vietnamese/ Cambodian immigrants

Not good on the whole.

Correct, Asians are not loser status minorities

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Anonymous wrote:Ho boy. If you ever wanted to incentivize the appearance of disadvantage, here it is. Watch as parents rush to their department store DNA tests to claim "ancestry" in faraway lands in order to claim allegiance to some oppressed minority. Watch social failings like single-parent households, high crime rates, divorce and abuse become marketable assets. This is disgusting.

Oh, why didn't I get pregnant in my teens and live in that crime ridden neighborhood?

Too bad they didn't add refugee and immigrant status as well - it takes a lot to do well in a new country and new culture especially if relatively recent

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So this system will make it harder for stable, education focused families to send their kids to desired schools.... I’m sure this will do wonders for national unity.

It should not be lost on any one that the outcome of this sets up a disparate impact challenge on day 1.

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Now I understand why Yale seems to like kids from my DCC school so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine the score will be wildly inaccurate for military families, which typically move every few years. They’ll be scored on a location where they have only briefly lived.

Right?! And military kids and their families have some of the most adversity of anyone. Moving a lot. Multiple-times deployed parent. PTSD in military parent. Many things. Give those kids all the adversity points.

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Anonymous wrote:So I wonder if it makes sense for education-centric families to move to poor performing school districts. Private school if possible in upper elementary and maybe middle, then HS in some 3/10 horror that gives and option to effectively take full days at the local community college, just coming back for gym and "leadership". 9th and 10th grades are hardest because, since those schools teach on a subpar level, kids will need to effectively homeschool in addition to spending wasted hours in the 3/10. However, maybe they can be "sick" a lot, like a lot.

And we'll never have to worry about our kids becoming SJW.

How about just taking the ACT?

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Anonymous wrote:What's to stop a kid from lying about income to College Board? Many kids may not actually even know an accurate answer.

I would tell my child things not to report unless it was mandatory. I don’t want to give my kid a HHI number anyway.

Did you read the article? They are using the median income of your neighborhood, not your family income.

Nope. The article is behind a paywall. If you insist on posting paywall articles, please give enough info for people to discuss, or at the very least, don’t get snarky when they don’t know. I pay for the NYT and WaPo. I’m not also paying for the WSJ to participate in this discussion.

I know you already self report stuff like parents education.

I didn't post the article and found a link to another article that wasn't behind a paywall. Read or do some research before you post.

Not the way that works. Post a link to the non paywall site. If people don’t read it, then you can snark. But, everyone trying to comment shouldn’t have to scour the internet looking for a source.

BtW— I did research before posting and found nonpaywall sites. They all quote from the WSJ, but none of them specifically said income was by neighborhood rather than self reported, which is what OO is snarking about.

Post a link people can access to what you want to discuss. Then we can all be on the same page. Easy.

WSJ gives you zero free articles.

I found this in 10 second searching: "Family environment will assess what the median income is of where the student's family is from; whether the student is from a single parent household; the educational level of the parents; and whether English is a second language."

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adversity-score-sat-exam-college-board-calculate-students-admissions-college-wall-street-journal/

So, basically you are going to ding my kid's score because they are in a two parent household, parents worked their butt off to get a degree and were able to hold onto jobs instead of doing drugs??? I need to apologize to my child that I did not become a single mother, did not do drugs, spent every penny I earned because they are being penalized because of my life choices.

Reading this I feel like your kids already been dinged in life.

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Anonymous wrote:What's to stop a kid from lying about income to College Board? Many kids may not actually even know an accurate answer.

I would tell my child things not to report unless it was mandatory. I don’t want to give my kid a HHI number anyway.

Did you read the article? They are using the median income of your neighborhood, not your family income.

Nope. The article is behind a paywall. If you insist on posting paywall articles, please give enough info for people to discuss, or at the very least, don’t get snarky when they don’t know. I pay for the NYT and WaPo. I’m not also paying for the WSJ to participate in this discussion.

I know you already self report stuff like parents education.

I didn't post the article and found a link to another article that wasn't behind a paywall. Read or do some research before you post.

Not the way that works. Post a link to the non paywall site. If people don’t read it, then you can snark. But, everyone trying to comment shouldn’t have to scour the internet looking for a source.

BtW— I did research before posting and found nonpaywall sites. They all quote from the WSJ, but none of them specifically said income was by neighborhood rather than self reported, which is what OO is snarking about.

Post a link people can access to what you want to discuss. Then we can all be on the same page. Easy.

WSJ gives you zero free articles.

I found this in 10 second searching: "Family environment will assess what the median income is of where the student's family is from; whether the student is from a single parent household; the educational level of the parents; and whether English is a second language."

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adversity-score-sat-exam-college-board-calculate-students-admissions-college-wall-street-journal/

So, basically you are going to ding my kid's score because they are in a two parent household, parents worked their butt off to get a degree and were able to hold onto jobs instead of doing drugs??? I need to apologize to my child that I did not become a single mother, did not do drugs, spent every penny I earned because they are being penalized because of my life choices.

Are you really not understanding this? No one is dinging your child or asking you to apologize for your success. This simply takes into account that some kids are born into better situations than others. When we don't take this into account we end up with generational poverty which kids have little chance to escape. So while your child may not have a high adversity score it sounds like s/he has a stable home with educated parents. This gives your child a great start for a successful life.

This is like people who complain about free/reduced price meals or sliding scale extended day payments. Would I like to not have to pay for my kids lunch, or pay $50 for extended day, sure...But what I don't want is the salary and stress that comes along with those things. So I will pay for my kids meals and extended day and consider my family lucky that we don't need this program.


Please don't forget that whether they are 8 or 18 they are still just kids. Kids have nothing but what their parents give them. Technically they aren't rich or poor. So if we can give them all a good head start in life and send them off to college and later into the adult world with an education and a meaningful chance to succeed then I am Ok with this. Better educated kids make a better future for all of us.

BTW the opposite of a person with a degree is not a jobless drug addict. There are many people who live in the VAST in between.
Also it seems while you don't want you kids penalized for your choices (which again, is not happening), you seem fine with other kids being penalized for their parents' choices.

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This is a useful, free article from Time: http://time.com/5590396/sat-adversity-score/

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This is a very useful document from the College Board on "Environmental Context."
https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/professionals/data-driven-models-to-understand-environmental-context.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT and College Board in general is the great undiscovered scam on the American educational system. This is an interesting idea, but I don't trust them to have thought it through or have the professional capacity to execute this in the appropriate way, if there is one. Plus colleges already look at context. And what will it mean for magnet program kids?
Kahn academy has partnered with the College Board to offer free college prep and this may be the reason that the last two years of SAT scores are out of sync with previous, requiring down-curving perfectly good performance. Word has it they have made recent changes to the SAT without the proper consultation of psychometricians and the recent rounds of testing are unreliable. The article says College Board will send the adversity score to colleges but not tell the family what score they are sending. Is that legal?

I totally agree it's a SCAM. They're trying to stay relevant. Do NOT allow them to fool you. This is HUGE business, people.