do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?

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Anonymous wrote:All parents should read this article.

It’s better to ask than to find your child dying on the floor when you go to pick her up. And it’s very disturbing that someone would lie. They should be held liable if something happens.

Article:

“Her daughter, Brooklynn, had just turned 13 and Mohler visited Brooklynn's best friend's nearby home in Las Vegas to lay down some rules with the friend's single father. It was the sort of conversation that mortified Darchel's three kids.

When Brooklynn was visiting, she told him, there could be no boys. No alcohol. No going out after dark. If she ever got in a car, her seat belt had to be on.
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She and her husband, Jacob, thought their bases were covered. But on the horizon was an issue they didn't foresee: Firearms.
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Jacob was annoyed when he showed up at Brooklynn's friends house to pick her up on June 4, 2013. He'd been trying to reach her on her cell phone, to tell her he was close, but she wasn't answering his text messages -- which wasn't like her. The only reason she had a phone was so that her parents could reach her.
When the door opened, her friend's little brother blurted out that Brooklynn was hurt. Jacob first thought he was being pranked.

The friend was holding Brooklynn and said she thought she'd been shot. He thought to himself, "What the hell are you guys doing with a gun," but he looked at his daughter and couldn't see any blood or a wound. When he rolled her over, he spotted the hole through her lower spine. He went into panic mode, thinking then that she'd either die or be paralyzed.

The story goes that the friend took a 9mm Glock from the kitchen cabinet.... She thought it was disarmed, that she'd taken out the bullets, and was messing with it when it fired.

The friend was freaking out while keeping 911 on the line. Jacob used the CPR training he'd had as Brooklynn gasped for breath. Later, he'd learn that the bullet tore through his daughter's spine before puncturing a lung and then her heart.

"Stay with me! C'mon! Don't go!" he said as he worked to save her before the ambulance came.

"I ultimately knew I was losing her," he says now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/10/22/us/brooklynn-mohler-child-gun-death/index.html

This is tragic. The parents set a great example by keeping their own guns locked up in a safe, and by advocating for safe storage.

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Anonymous wrote:Gun owner here. I don’t own own guns primarily to hunt or defend myself, it’s really just a hobby. I shoot at the range, come home and store my guns, and that’s it. Most people would not guess I own a gun. I — and most other gun owners I know— are absolutely in favor of stricter gun laws. Guns should absolutely be regulated and licensed. But whenever guns come up, I find that the left (even people who are seemingly reasonable/tolerant otherwise) starts screaming that GUNS KILL, we will take your guns, ALL GUN OWNERS ARE EVIL, etc. This gets the extreme right riled up and they start screaming that the guns will have to pried from their cold, dead hands, COME AND TAKE THEM, etc.

I’d love to see more moderate folks (including myself) come together and pass some common sense gun laws. Surely even the far left can get behind that? Yet every time I try to discuss, I get called names and get that knee jerk reaction. Let’s be real, my guns aren’t going anywhere. This country is not going to banning all guns and confiscating mine. I do think we need more regulation and don’t understand why I should get demonized for that.

Your viewpoint is exactly like mine. I’m a very conservative LEO wife (with a LE career path of my own) and we own several guns—including an AR-15 (the horror!!!!!) that DH uses for work or at the range. It is very hard to have a calm and rational discussion with people who just immediately jump to one conclusion and cling to it. Yes—i firmly believe in protecting everyone’s 2nd amendment rights. But that doesn’t make me a gun but. Too many people assume it’s one extreme or the other.

Reality check: you are a gun nut.

This is why we can’t get any gun control legislation passed. I hope you take responsibility for your part in the deaths of victims of mass shootings, just as you blame all gun owners.

Why exactly do you own an AR-15? And “several guns”?

His handgun, my handgun, and the AR for target practice/his work. In my county we had an active shooter situation where the shooter was targeting random people/cars in a Walmart parking lot. He was taken out by a policeman with an AR-15. You’re welcome.

Key word there.

I thought police were the problem?! Which is it?!

Oh, is three not several? Thanks, counting police. You’re so helpful and smart!

So you have three or more than three?

Hey, you pretentious dumb f***, from Merriam-Webster:

Definition of several

1 a : separate or distinct from one another federal union of the several states
b (1) : individually owned or controlled : exclusive a several fishery — compare common (2) : of or relating separately to each individual involved a several judgment
c : being separate and distinctive : respective specialists in their several fields
2 a : more than one several pleas
b : more than two but fewer than many moved several inches
c chiefly dialectal : being a great many

Now please go try to be a not-so-smart a** somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, if you own an assault rifle, you are a gun nut.

What do you think an assault rifle is? I’m asking because most gun owners I know don’t own any assault rifles.

You do know some?

I know a couple people who own the AK47 though even those aren’t technically true assault rifles because they are
can’t fire in burst the way military guns do.

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Gun owners! These are your people. Nice group. Note, these two "thought" they were responsible gun owners too!

"The Florida dad who welcomed Nikolas Cruz into his home in the months before the teen killed 17 in a school shooting says he doesn't regret letting the 19-year-old store an assault weapon in his home.

James Snead said it was Cruz's 'right' to own an AR-15, and that he didn't think it was weird that the teen had already amassed an arsenal of five or six guns by the age of 19.

Mr Snead, a military intelligence analyst, and his wife Kimberly, a neonatal intensive care nurse, said that given a second chance, they still would have let Cruz into their home and let him bring his guns with him."

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Anonymous wrote:Gun owner here. I don’t own own guns primarily to hunt or defend myself, it’s really just a hobby. I shoot at the range, come home and store my guns, and that’s it. Most people would not guess I own a gun. I — and most other gun owners I know— are absolutely in favor of stricter gun laws. Guns should absolutely be regulated and licensed. But whenever guns come up, I find that the left (even people who are seemingly reasonable/tolerant otherwise) starts screaming that GUNS KILL, we will take your guns, ALL GUN OWNERS ARE EVIL, etc. This gets the extreme right riled up and they start screaming that the guns will have to pried from their cold, dead hands, COME AND TAKE THEM, etc.

I’d love to see more moderate folks (including myself) come together and pass some common sense gun laws. Surely even the far left can get behind that? Yet every time I try to discuss, I get called names and get that knee jerk reaction. Let’s be real, my guns aren’t going anywhere. This country is not going to banning all guns and confiscating mine. I do think we need more regulation and don’t understand why I should get demonized for that.

Your viewpoint is exactly like mine. I’m a very conservative LEO wife (with a LE career path of my own) and we own several guns—including an AR-15 (the horror!!!!!) that DH uses for work or at the range. It is very hard to have a calm and rational discussion with people who just immediately jump to one conclusion and cling to it. Yes—i firmly believe in protecting everyone’s 2nd amendment rights. But that doesn’t make me a gun but. Too many people assume it’s one extreme or the other.

Reality check: you are a gun nut.

This is why we can’t get any gun control legislation passed. I hope you take responsibility for your part in the deaths of victims of mass shootings, just as you blame all gun owners.

Why exactly do you own an AR-15? And “several guns”?

His handgun, my handgun, and the AR for target practice/his work. In my county we had an active shooter situation where the shooter was targeting random people/cars in a Walmart parking lot. He was taken out by a policeman with an AR-15. You’re welcome.

Key word there.

I thought police were the problem?! Which is it?!

Oh, is three not several? Thanks, counting police. You’re so helpful and smart!

So you have three or more than three?

Hey, you pretentious dumb f***, from Merriam-Webster:

Definition of several

1 a : separate or distinct from one another federal union of the several states
b (1) : individually owned or controlled : exclusive a several fishery — compare common (2) : of or relating separately to each individual involved a several judgment
c : being separate and distinctive : respective specialists in their several fields
2 a : more than one several pleas
b : more than two but fewer than many moved several inches
c chiefly dialectal : being a great many

Now please go try to be a not-so-smart a** somewhere else.

You still haven’t clarified: do you own three or more than three? Why are you getting defensive and not just answering the question? You sound a little hostile to have a gun...

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats late 2017: Police are murderers!
Democrats early 2018: Only police should have guns!

LMAO! So true.

Do you all want us to forfeit our 4th Amendment tights too, so the authorities can come and seize all the “assault” rifles and automatic weapons and modified weapons that are already floating around out there? Because, surely, once you make them illegal, no one will use them. Definitely not those with a criminal predisposition.

I don't think anyone on this thread has ever said police were murderers. Nice try though.

Um, you’ve all been saying it constantly for the last two or three years.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the cops wouldn't shoot so many people if they didn't have to work on the assumption that every person they pull over might be heavily armed?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats late 2017: Police are murderers!
Democrats early 2018: Only police should have guns!

LMAO! So true.

Do you all want us to forfeit our 4th Amendment tights too, so the authorities can come and seize all the “assault” rifles and automatic weapons and modified weapons that are already floating around out there? Because, surely, once you make them illegal, no one will use them. Definitely not those with a criminal predisposition.

I don't think anyone on this thread has ever said police were murderers. Nice try though.

Um, you’ve all been saying it constantly for the last two or three years.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the cops wouldn't shoot so many people if they didn't have to work on the assumption that every person they pull over might be heavily armed?

Oh ok, I get it now. So because people might be armed, cops are opening fire at traffic stops with reckless abandon? No, that never occurred to me! But anything to criticize the police, and gun owners, and anyone else who doesn’t toe the leftist line, right?

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Yes, that is exactly what happens. Police have shot people they assume are reaching for a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats late 2017: Police are murderers!
Democrats early 2018: Only police should have guns!

LMAO! So true.

Do you all want us to forfeit our 4th Amendment tights too, so the authorities can come and seize all the “assault” rifles and automatic weapons and modified weapons that are already floating around out there? Because, surely, once you make them illegal, no one will use them. Definitely not those with a criminal predisposition.

I don't think anyone on this thread has ever said police were murderers. Nice try though.

Um, you’ve all been saying it constantly for the last two or three years.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the cops wouldn't shoot so many people if they didn't have to work on the assumption that every person they pull over might be heavily armed?

Oh ok, I get it now. So because people might be armed, cops are opening fire at traffic stops with reckless abandon? No, that never occurred to me! But anything to criticize the police, and gun owners, and anyone else who doesn’t toe the leftist line, right?

That doesn't even make sense. Did you take your lithium this morning?

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats late 2017: Police are murderers!
Democrats early 2018: Only police should have guns!

LMAO! So true.

Do you all want us to forfeit our 4th Amendment tights too, so the authorities can come and seize all the “assault” rifles and automatic weapons and modified weapons that are already floating around out there? Because, surely, once you make them illegal, no one will use them. Definitely not those with a criminal predisposition.

I don't think anyone on this thread has ever said police were murderers. Nice try though.

Um, you’ve all been saying it constantly for the last two or three years.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the cops wouldn't shoot so many people if they didn't have to work on the assumption that every person they pull over might be heavily armed?

Oh ok, I get it now. So because people might be armed, cops are opening fire at traffic stops with reckless abandon? No, that never occurred to me! But anything to criticize the police, and gun owners, and anyone else who doesn’t toe the leftist line, right?

Why are you emotional over this? PTSD? Did you shoot someone while you were on (or off) duty?

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty likely that, if you have a dog, a visitor is going to encounter it. Therefore, that information should be disclosed.

However, there is no chance that your kid is going to encounter our weapons. None. The only people who will encounter our weapons are those who pose a serious threat to me and my family. Consequently, you have absolutely no need to know about the existence of our weapons that are locked in a safe. And you will not know. End of story.

Actually, I don't have kids, but I probably wouldn't let my kid spend the night at your house. So many accidental shootings happen because a gun owner thought there was an intruder and they were "protecting" their family, but it was their own kid. Statistics actually show you are more likely to be harmed if there is a gun in your house because it escalates. But whatever. In my experience, people who are enamored with guns don't actually like statistics or studies. They just like the romantic notion of being a hero.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty likely that, if you have a dog, a visitor is going to encounter it. Therefore, that information should be disclosed.

However, there is no chance that your kid is going to encounter our weapons. None. The only people who will encounter our weapons are those who pose a serious threat to me and my family. Consequently, you have absolutely no need to know about the existence of our weapons that are locked in a safe. And you will not know. End of story.

Actually, I don't have kids, but I probably wouldn't let my kid spend the night at your house. So many accidental shootings happen because a gun owner thought there was an intruder and they were "protecting" their family, but it was their own kid. Statistics actually show you are more likely to be harmed if there is a gun in your house because it escalates. But whatever. In my experience, people who are enamored with guns don't actually like statistics or studies. They just like the romantic notion of being a hero.

+1 This! Also you know who else was sure they had their weapons secured? The people who were letting Cruz stay with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Gun owner here. I don’t own own guns primarily to hunt or defend myself, it’s really just a hobby. I shoot at the range, come home and store my guns, and that’s it. Most people would not guess I own a gun. I — and most other gun owners I know— are absolutely in favor of stricter gun laws. Guns should absolutely be regulated and licensed. But whenever guns come up, I find that the left (even people who are seemingly reasonable/tolerant otherwise) starts screaming that GUNS KILL, we will take your guns, ALL GUN OWNERS ARE EVIL, etc. This gets the extreme right riled up and they start screaming that the guns will have to pried from their cold, dead hands, COME AND TAKE THEM, etc.

I’d love to see more moderate folks (including myself) come together and pass some common sense gun laws. Surely even the far left can get behind that? Yet every time I try to discuss, I get called names and get that knee jerk reaction. Let’s be real, my guns aren’t going anywhere. This country is not going to banning all guns and confiscating mine. I do think we need more regulation and don’t understand why I should get demonized for that.

Your viewpoint is exactly like mine. I’m a very conservative LEO wife (with a LE career path of my own) and we own several guns—including an AR-15 (the horror!!!!!) that DH uses for work or at the range. It is very hard to have a calm and rational discussion with people who just immediately jump to one conclusion and cling to it. Yes—i firmly believe in protecting everyone’s 2nd amendment rights. But that doesn’t make me a gun but. Too many people assume it’s one extreme or the other.

Reality check: you are a gun nut.

This is why we can’t get any gun control legislation passed. I hope you take responsibility for your part in the deaths of victims of mass shootings, just as you blame all gun owners.

Why exactly do you own an AR-15? And “several guns”?

His handgun, my handgun, and the AR for target practice/his work. In my county we had an active shooter situation where the shooter was targeting random people/cars in a Walmart parking lot. He was taken out by a policeman with an AR-15. You’re welcome.

AR-15s are really used for target practice? Don’t you want more of a challenge?