AAP appeal declined

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Send this to The Washington Post. Jay Matthews doesn't do his own investigating, I don't think, but his staff does. Though, how about first - - one last try - - contact the Superintendent.

I second contacting the Superintendent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All I know is that in all the years I've seem people talk about AAP, I've never heard of a child with these scores getting rejected. And it makes no sense that a committee would think work examples wouldn't be prepped, but that testing would. If there is no proof of a parent doing anything illegal, I also do not understand how they can make that claim either.

This is why I think there is something else that hasn't been properly conveyed, to the school or to us.

[Anonymous]

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"Community" could easily mean private school students and parents or particularly private schools that end at second grade.

Community could also mean geographical rather than racial. OP said their home school is Floris ES, which is certainly a "TJ mania" part of FCPS.

The point is communities could mean multiple things. It could mean geographic regions, race, private school parents....It's not trolling to think it could be race/ethnicity, because it could be. It is one possibility. The use of the word troll when someone says something you don't agree with is silly.

And we don't even know that the FCPS employee actually used the word "community." The employee could have said some people or some families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that in all the years I've seem people talk about AAP, I've never heard of a child with these scores getting rejected. And it makes no sense that a committee would think work examples wouldn't be prepped, but that testing would. If there is no proof of a parent doing anything illegal, I also do not understand how they can make that claim either.

This is why I think there is something else that hasn't been properly conveyed, to the school or to us.

I agree. At least, I'd like to think that the AAP office wouldn't continue doubling down if they made a clerical error. Either the OP's scores all come from very disreputable places, or there's something else going on that OP isn't telling us. I can't imagine why they would otherwise discount ALL of the NNAT, CogAT, WISC, and private school GBRS.

[Anonymous]

What else could be there that we submit and I am not telling?

DS is our first and we are going through aap process for the first time. We got inputs from friends on how to build the file. All of them said with his score it is a no brainer . We did not put much effort on samples thinking his scores are good enough

And for the appeal, with Wisc score we attached his essay again thinking his Wisc score should push through

They don’t know anything about DS other than what we submitted as he is not from FCPS

So what reason could be there for rejection?

[Anonymous]

They did say some communities do prep that’s why I asked her Wisc cannot be prepared and he had taken good scores on that too

She said we could meet the aart once we join FCPS and asked to look into second semester placement

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
"Community" could easily mean private school students and parents or particularly private schools that end at second grade.

Community could also mean geographical rather than racial. OP said their home school is Floris ES, which is certainly a "TJ mania" part of FCPS.

The point is communities could mean multiple things. It could mean geographic regions, race, private school parents....It's not trolling to think it could be race/ethnicity, because it could be. It is one possibility. The use of the word troll when someone says something you don't agree with is silly.

And we don't even know that the FCPS employee actually used the word "community." The employee could have said some people or some families.

Or she could have said communities. Finding a child with these scores ineligible says they are considering things other than scores. And saying the work samples submitted first round weren't good enough doesn't make sense. Parent submitted work samples should not be given more weight than a subsequently submitted independently performed WISC. I wonder if any of the posts on here defending the decision are FCPS employees trying to justify the decision and deflect from potentially illegal bias in the selection process?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They did say some communities do prep that’s why I asked her Wisc cannot be prepared and he had taken good scores on that too

She said we could meet the aart once we join FCPS and asked to look into second semester placement

I'm guessing the AART will just tell you what she said before that you need to go through the whole process from scratch again next year. The AART can't just decide to place a child second semester on her own. Keep pushing because something isn't right here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I wonder if any of the posts on here defending the decision are FCPS employees trying to justify the decision and deflect from potentially illegal bias in the selection process?

I don't think anyone is defending the decision. People are trying to understand it. AAP includes 20% of the student body and has unlimited seats. 135+ WISC should guarantee admission, as it is surely higher than the majority of kids in AAP.

If they're so worried about prepping that they are going to discount multiple 99th percentile scores from the same student, then they perhaps need to structure everything more like TJ or MoCo, where the test is an unknown format administered to everyone on specific testing dates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here

“Private and Home School Students: Screening files for Level IV Services are accepted on October 30-31, 2017 and January 25-26, 2018. Parents of students in Grades 2-7 may apply for full-time placement.”

We submitted in October Results were mailed by December 23rd and appeal deadline was January 16th

I am not a troll but seriously lost on the selection process.

I tried calling aap number in FCPS and they said scores are not the only one they look at , don’t know what else is needed

Cogat : verbal -119, quantitative-140, nonverbal-136
Wisc V : verbal -130, fluid reasoning-137 working memory-142

Do you mind my asking what the other sub sections of the WISC V were? The childs non verbal and NNAT score would indicate a pretty high spatial score on the WISCV (I would think over 130 at least) and if so it bears iut the full iq. Was one of the sub scores substantial lower than the others? Did the psychologist mention it in the write up?

[Anonymous]

OP you still haven't told us the child's race. Also how old.

[Anonymous]

He is 8 years old and Asian

To answer the other pp who asked about his Wisc score

Composite Score Iq

Verbal comp 130
Visual Spatial 138
Fluid Reasoning 137
Working Mem 142
Processing speed/111/77

FSIQ /138/99

Per the doctor processing speed in this range is good. I have no idea what the formula is and how they arrive at fsiq. She did say it is not an average

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is 8 years old and Asian

To answer the other pp who asked about his Wisc score

Composite Score Iq

Verbal comp 130
Visual Spatial 138
Fluid Reasoning 137
Working Mem 142
Processing speed/111/77

FSIQ /138/99

Per the doctor processing speed in this range is good. I have no idea what the formula is and how they arrive at fsiq. She did say it is not an average

These are absolutely fantastic scores.

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Anonymous wrote:If GBRS from a private school is of no value, then it stands to reason that children going from private school are at a disadvantage, because their teacher's input is of no value, and has no standing in backing up what the test scores say.

There are plenty of threads saying that there is no disadvantage coming from private schools. This thread is not the only thread on this forum.

Completely antidotal but we experienced this with our DS when applying from private school with high scores (98 and 99%). Our son was rejected but went to the base school in the fall (while we reapplied) within two weeks he was principal placed in the local level iv for math and science class and by the end of the first quarter was accelerated to next grade AAP math. He also started receiving level iii for all language arts.

AART teacher was quite nasty when she talked to us and reviewed his file. She noted very loudly that she not been informed that he had been grade accelerated at his prior school and that "of course he was excelling" as he had learned all the material. She didn't seem to hold much stock in test scores either. I honestly got the impression she thought everyone prepped their children. To be fair this school is known as one of the more "TJ" heavy areas if that makes sense.

The whole thing was weird and we resubmitted that fall, he was accepted and moved to the center for the second semester where he has done very well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is 8 years old and Asian

To answer the other pp who asked about his Wisc score

Composite Score Iq

Verbal comp 130
Visual Spatial 138
Fluid Reasoning 137
Working Mem 142
Processing speed/111/77

FSIQ /138/99

Per the doctor processing speed in this range is good. I have no idea what the formula is and how they arrive at fsiq. She did say it is not an average

These are excellent scores. The reason I had asked for the breakdown was to be fair I was suprised Did the report provide the subscores/ranges and percentilesthe FSIQ was what it was , I don't know the full breakdown and it is not an average. But I would think it would be higher, he scored in the extremely high range for every single section except processing and even his processing speed is in the high average.

His working memory is very high which is frequently correlated with early childhood academic success (helps with accessing all that information we expect them to retain).

He is also 8, so unless he is turning 9 before the end of the school year, he is the age of a second grade boy. I think it is horrid if his race counted against him.