To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Not really when you consider Yale’s lackluster stem programs and average business school or MIT being devoid of humanities and social science except economics or political science. The gap is much smaller than you actively make it out to be.

Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post:

https://shass.mit.edu/undergraduate/majors

MIT Major Fields

Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (African & African Diaspora Studies, American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

This is indicative of the quality of advice you get here. Buyer beware.

I think the poster’s point was that the strength of these humanities and social sciences fields at MIT are lackluster, not so much whether they exist or not. While I’m sure the teaching quality in these fields are quite decent at MIT, I doubt that MIT’s English or History department houses the best professors and academics in the country. Just saying.

HUge red flag for history, anthropology majors from from MIT. That’s like going to Juilliard and coming out with a physical education major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My list:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Columbia
5. Yale
6. Princeton
7. Chicago
8. Penn
9. Berkeley
10. Johns Hopkins
11. Cornell
12. Northwestern
13. Brown
14. Duke
15. Dartmouth

Cornell and Hopkins too high; I consider these two schools to be at the bottom of the "elite" tier

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Gen X New Yorker, but moved to DC in my 20s, and my mental list is like:

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. Princeton
6. MIT
7. Penn
8. Chicago
9. Cornell
10. Northwestern
11. Duke
12. Dartmouth
13. Brown
14. Johns Hopkins
15. Berkeley
16. Williams/Amherst

No sane person placed Columbia at #4

Columbia could be anywhere from #4-#6 for a variety of reasons.
Superior to MIT in social sciences/humanities and Yale in STEM.
Grad school wise >= Princeton for the latter's lack of professional schools.
Plus PP said she's from New York, which explains it all.

More like #6-9. But there is a gap after HYPSM, if anything bc of the resources difference of these institutions

Not really when you consider Yale’s lackluster stem programs and average business school or MIT being devoid of humanities and social science except economics or political science. The gap is much smaller than you actively make it out to be.

Where did you get your PhD in gaslighting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not really when you consider Yale’s lackluster stem programs and average business school or MIT being devoid of humanities and social science except economics or political science. The gap is much smaller than you actively make it out to be.

Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post:

https://shass.mit.edu/undergraduate/majors

MIT Major Fields

Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (African & African Diaspora Studies, American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

This is indicative of the quality of advice you get here. Buyer beware.

I think the poster’s point was that the strength of these humanities and social sciences fields at MIT are lackluster, not so much whether they exist or not. While I’m sure the teaching quality in these fields are quite decent at MIT, I doubt that MIT’s English or History department houses the best professors and academics in the country. Just saying.

MIT is the best college in the country for linguistics 5 years running.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2018/linguistics#

And is ranked 2nd in the world in arts and humanities

https://shass.mit.edu/news/2018-news-mit-ranked-no2-worldwide-arts-and-humanities

I think you are wrong about what the poster intended, but also wrong on the facts if you are granted that point.

I repeat: Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post and this is indicative of the quality of advice you get here.

/"lackluster", lol so very hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not really when you consider Yale’s lackluster stem programs and average business school or MIT being devoid of humanities and social science except economics or political science. The gap is much smaller than you actively make it out to be.

Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post:

https://shass.mit.edu/undergraduate/majors

MIT Major Fields

Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (African & African Diaspora Studies, American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

This is indicative of the quality of advice you get here. Buyer beware.

I think the poster’s point was that the strength of these humanities and social sciences fields at MIT are lackluster, not so much whether they exist or not. While I’m sure the teaching quality in these fields are quite decent at MIT, I doubt that MIT’s English or History department houses the best professors and academics in the country. Just saying.

MIT is the best college in the country for linguistics 5 years running.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2018/linguistics#

And is ranked 2nd in the world in arts and humanities

https://shass.mit.edu/news/2018-news-mit-ranked-no2-worldwide-arts-and-humanities

I think you are wrong about what the poster intended, but also wrong on the facts if you are granted that point.

I repeat: Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post and this is indicative of the quality of advice you get here.

/"lackluster", lol so very hard.

Political Science: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - 7th
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/political-science-rankings

Economics: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - 1st
[/url]https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/economics-rankings[url]

English: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/english-rankings

History: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/history-rankings

Sociology: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/sociology-rankings

Fine Arts: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
[/url]https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-fine-arts-schools/fine-arts-rankings[url]

So the original poster's claim is quite accurate. While political science and economics are of the same caliber as their STEM departments, there is not much else going on for their humanities and social sciences (except Linguistics, as you have pointed out). To be unranked (outside of the top 100-200) in numerous humanities/social sciences departments is something that you would not expect from a "HYPSM" school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not really when you consider Yale’s lackluster stem programs and average business school or MIT being devoid of humanities and social science except economics or political science. The gap is much smaller than you actively make it out to be.

Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post:

https://shass.mit.edu/undergraduate/majors

MIT Major Fields

Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (African & African Diaspora Studies, American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

This is indicative of the quality of advice you get here. Buyer beware.

I think the poster’s point was that the strength of these humanities and social sciences fields at MIT are lackluster, not so much whether they exist or not. While I’m sure the teaching quality in these fields are quite decent at MIT, I doubt that MIT’s English or History department houses the best professors and academics in the country. Just saying.

MIT is the best college in the country for linguistics 5 years running.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2018/linguistics#

And is ranked 2nd in the world in arts and humanities

https://shass.mit.edu/news/2018-news-mit-ranked-no2-worldwide-arts-and-humanities

I think you are wrong about what the poster intended, but also wrong on the facts if you are granted that point.

I repeat: Damn people do a frickin' google search before you post and this is indicative of the quality of advice you get here.

/"lackluster", lol so very hard.

Political Science: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - 7th
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/political-science-rankings

Economics: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - 1st
[/url]https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/economics-rankings[url]

English: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/english-rankings

History: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/history-rankings

Sociology: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/sociology-rankings

Fine Arts: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Unranked
[/url]https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-fine-arts-schools/fine-arts-rankings[url]

So the original poster's claim is quite accurate. While political science and economics are of the same caliber as their STEM departments, there is not much else going on for their humanities and social sciences (except Linguistics, as you have pointed out). To be unranked (outside of the top 100-200) in numerous humanities/social sciences departments is something that you would not expect from a "HYPSM" school.

No, the original poster said they were “devoid” of it, so wrong there.

Also a great technique, saying “you are wrong! (except in the example you used)”. That is belly-laughable.

As of 2017, 4 Nobel Laureates, 7 MacArthur Fellows, and 4 Pulitzer Prize winners were members of the SHASS faculty.[5] Additionally, 2 National Medal of Science awardees, 11 National Academy of Science Fellows, 57 American Academy of Arts and Sciences Fellows, 40 Guggenheim Fellowships, and 5 John Bates Clark Medalists are associated with SHASS.

Yeah, sounds lackluster to me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_School_of_Humanities,_Arts,_and_Social_Sciences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have experience working in Europe and Asia for many years. Global prestige tends to be quite different than national prestige, since there is less emphasis on prestige conferred by a school's association with certain demographic groups that used to be considered as "elite." The schools that are recognized the most often are:

Harvard
Stanford
MIT
Berkeley
Columbia
Yale

I think this makes sense because these 6 schools are the strongest research universities, and also have the best graduate schools in the US.

You need to be careful what you claim. If you want to talk about the strongest research universities, then Hopkins should be on your list:

https://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/
JHU: #1

Johns Hopkins University spends more than $2.5 billion per year on R&D. In fact, the school has topped the list of the National Science Foundation's ranking of colleges with the highest research and development funding for 10 consecutive years.

UCSF: #2

The University of California, San Francisco spends nearly $1.5 billion on R&D annually. All of this money goes toward research in the sciences, and the federal government provides more than 40% of the institution’s total R&D funding.

Penn: #3

With total R&D expenditures at $1.34 billion per year, the University of Pennsylvania conducts research that results in actionable knowledge. Current research efforts focus on mitigating climate change, localizing epilepsy hotspots, and examining the impact of COVID-19 in places with significant income inequality.

Harvard: #9

Harvard University remains one of the world's top institutions for innovation and research. The university spends more than $1.1 billion per year on R&D, with the majority of those funds allocated to science and medical research.

Stanford: #10

The prestigious Stanford University spends about $1.1 billion per year on research and development, with a primary focus on health-related projects and programs.

MIT: #14

Massachusetts Institute of Technology aims to push the boundaries of knowledge, demonstrated by nearly $1 billion in yearly R&D expenditures. MIT, located near Boston, maintains an Undergraduate Research Opportunities Program that enables more than 85% of undergraduate students to take part in frontline research initiatives.

Yale: #15

Yale University has continued to move up on the list of U.S. colleges with the highest research and development funding, spending nearly $1 billion per year. Most expenditures go toward scientific research, including areas such as biomedicine, health sciences, chemistry, and psychology.

Berkeley and Columbia, not in the top 15.

While, I am not arguing that this is a reason to consider these schools elite or not, but if you are going to consider a university a strong research university, then how much they actually spend on research annually should be at least one data point to consider. In fact JHU spends more than the annual research budget of Harvard (#9) and lower above the #3 school and almost that much more than the #2 school in research spending. As I said, it is only one data point, but one that doesn't necessarily agree with your contention above.

[Anonymous]

Duke

[Anonymous]

Top 10 of US News I consider elite. And 'top elite' is HYPSM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.

The only thing more idiotic than this thread is the fact that this poster felt the need to list the states for each of these schools. That's my 2 cents.

Surprise pp! There will always be someone more idiotic. In this case, on page 4. “Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies. You get a substantial number of under-qualified students applying simply because it's in NYC.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.

The only thing more idiotic than this thread is the fact that this poster felt the need to list the states for each of these schools. That's my 2 cents.

Surprise pp! There will always be someone more idiotic. In this case, on page 4. “Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies. You get a substantial number of under-qualified students applying simply because it's in NYC.”

That was pretty obviously a typo from someone who may have started a different sentence and then meant to refer to Columbia. These posts aren't exactly peer-reviewed journal articles.

I actually feel sorry for the people who feel so insecure about how MIT or other schools may be perceived that they compose lengthy posts that will be forgotten in a week or less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.

The only thing more idiotic than this thread is the fact that this poster felt the need to list the states for each of these schools. That's my 2 cents.

Surprise pp! There will always be someone more idiotic. In this case, on page 4. “Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies. You get a substantial number of under-qualified students applying simply because it's in NYC.”

That was pretty obviously a typo from someone who may have started a different sentence and then meant to refer to Columbia. These posts aren't exactly peer-reviewed journal articles.

I actually feel sorry for the people who feel so insecure about how MIT or other schools may be perceived that they compose lengthy posts that will be forgotten in a week or less.

Stop trying to make Columbia 'happen'...lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.

The only thing more idiotic than this thread is the fact that this poster felt the need to list the states for each of these schools. That's my 2 cents.

Surprise pp! There will always be someone more idiotic. In this case, on page 4. “Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies. You get a substantial number of under-qualified students applying simply because it's in NYC.”

That was pretty obviously a typo from someone who may have started a different sentence and then meant to refer to Columbia. These posts aren't exactly peer-reviewed journal articles.

I actually feel sorry for the people who feel so insecure about how MIT or other schools may be perceived that they compose lengthy posts that will be forgotten in a week or less.

Stop trying to make Columbia 'happen'...lol

DP with no connection to Columbia but Columbia “happened” about 250 years ago. I really don’t understand people who are deluding themselves into thinking Columbia is not elite?

[Anonymous]

My mental list:

1 - Harvard
2 - Yale
3 - Stanford/Columbia
5 - MIT
6 - UPenn/Chicago
8 - Northwestern/Duke/Cornell

Not exactly informed by rankings, but by my 20+ years in MBB consulting and relatives in academia. Make of it what you will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.

The only thing more idiotic than this thread is the fact that this poster felt the need to list the states for each of these schools. That's my 2 cents.

Surprise pp! There will always be someone more idiotic. In this case, on page 4. “Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies. You get a substantial number of under-qualified students applying simply because it's in NYC.”

That was pretty obviously a typo from someone who may have started a different sentence and then meant to refer to Columbia. These posts aren't exactly peer-reviewed journal articles.

I actually feel sorry for the people who feel so insecure about how MIT or other schools may be perceived that they compose lengthy posts that will be forgotten in a week or less.

Stop trying to make Columbia 'happen'...lol

DP with no connection to Columbia but Columbia “happened” about 250 years ago. I really don’t understand people who are deluding themselves into thinking Columbia is not elite?

I just want to know which Ivy the "Princeton has the most coveted location of any of the Ivies ... in NYC" pp attended.