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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have experience working in Europe and Asia for many years. Global prestige tends to be quite different than national prestige, since there is less emphasis on prestige conferred by a school's association with certain demographic groups that used to be considered as "elite." The schools that are recognized the most often are:

Harvard
Stanford
MIT
Berkeley
Columbia
Yale

[b]I think this makes sense because these 6 schools are the strongest research universities[/b], and also have the best graduate schools in the US.[/quote]

You need to be careful what you claim.  If you want to talk about the strongest research universities, then Hopkins should be on your list:

[url]https://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/[/url]
JHU:  #1
[quote]Johns Hopkins University spends more than $2.5 billion per year on R&D. In fact, the school has topped the list of the National Science Foundation's ranking of colleges with the highest research and development funding for 10 consecutive years.[/quote]

UCSF:  #2
[quote]The University of California, San Francisco spends nearly $1.5 billion on R&D annually. All of this money goes toward research in the sciences, and the federal government provides more than 40% of the institution’s total R&D funding.
[/quote]

Penn:  #3
[quote]With total R&D expenditures at $1.34 billion per year, the University of Pennsylvania conducts research that results in actionable knowledge. Current research efforts focus on mitigating climate change, localizing epilepsy hotspots, and examining the impact of COVID-19 in places with significant income inequality.[/quote]

Harvard:  #9
[quote]Harvard University remains one of the world's top institutions for innovation and research. The university spends more than $1.1 billion per year on R&D, with the majority of those funds allocated to science and medical research.[/quote]

Stanford:  #10
[quote]The prestigious Stanford University spends about $1.1 billion per year on research and development, with a primary focus on health-related projects and programs.[/quote]

MIT:  #14
[quote]Massachusetts Institute of Technology aims to push the boundaries of knowledge, demonstrated by nearly $1 billion in yearly R&D expenditures. MIT, located near Boston, maintains an Undergraduate Research Opportunities Program that enables more than 85% of undergraduate students to take part in frontline research initiatives.[/quote]

Yale:  #15
[quote]Yale University has continued to move up on the list of U.S. colleges with the highest research and development funding, spending nearly $1 billion per year. Most expenditures go toward scientific research, including areas such as biomedicine, health sciences, chemistry, and psychology.[/quote]

Berkeley and Columbia, not in the top 15.

While, I am not arguing that this is a reason to consider these schools elite or not, but if you are going to consider a university a strong research university, then how much they actually spend on research annually should be at least one data point to consider.  In fact JHU spends more than the annual research budget of Harvard (#9) and lower above the #3 school and almost that much more than the #2 school in research spending.  As I said, it is only one data point, but one that doesn't necessarily agree with your contention above.[/quote]

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