So many atheists here - why do you care?

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This thread is proof positive of one thing. People, regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, are terrible to each other. We really suck.

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Anonymous wrote:They would rather go to Hell than be wrong. They also don't want too many other people to go to Heaven who will witness the stupidity so they want to drag as many as they can to the losing side.

Sounds like you're feeling tempted by atheism.

Forget it. you're not our type.

Besides no one is recruited to atheism. We all make up our own minds. No one will come to your door to give you the good news or threaten you with eternal damnation.

If atheists make up their own minds, why do you feel the need to ask believers to justify their faith? You've already made up your mind, correct? You don't recruit people, correct?

Because it is a discussion in a discussion forum? Because it is an interesting question? And lots of other reasons?

Why do you feel the need to ask what you asked?

See what a silly thing that is?

No sillier than an atheist asking a believer to "prove" what he/she believes in.

Sigh... man you miss the point yet again, on purpose I am sure.

It's a discussion forum dude. If you don't enjoy discussing the topic I don't know why you are here. The fact that you don't have a good justification for your belief is your problem. The theist who admitted they don't care what is true or not is the most honest one, and you will note no one took issue with them. Maybe you should try that?

If your best answer is " because this is a discussion forum" then you are being no more honest than you are assuming I am to be. You want an honest answer? I do care whether or not God exists, because He is the whole reason for the Faith in the first place. If you don't think that is an honest answer, I dont know what else to say.

Reworded - I do care whether or not Zeus exists, because Zeus is the whole reason for the Faith in the first place.

See how silly that is.

Your rewording, not mine.

Mine: If I follow a Religion that believes in the existence of God, I should also care about whether He exists or not.

If I follow a creed that believes in the existence of Santa, I should also care about whether Santa exists or not.

Still silly.

Of course you should. But, since you don't follow such a creed, I'm assuming you don't care whether or not Santa exists.

Why should someone care about something that for a fact does not exist?

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Talking to people like you is a waste of time. Telling people (insulting) people telling them to grow up all the while not understanding the basic concept of faith is ridiculous. Perhaps it's you that needs to "grow up" and find other things like gardening, colleges, investing, health to discuss with others in a non-combative manner. Your position as it stands, is lame.

Quoted poster has a point. Believers often won't answer simple questions.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Talking to people like you is a waste of time. Telling people (insulting) people telling them to grow up all the while not understanding the basic concept of faith is ridiculous. Perhaps it's you that needs to "grow up" and find other things like gardening, colleges, investing, health to discuss with others in a non-combative manner. Your position as it stands, is lame.

Please name a position that could not be held on faith.

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Anonymous wrote:They would rather go to Hell than be wrong. They also don't want too many other people to go to Heaven who will witness the stupidity so they want to drag as many as they can to the losing side.

Sounds like you're feeling tempted by atheism.

Forget it. you're not our type.

Besides no one is recruited to atheism. We all make up our own minds. No one will come to your door to give you the good news or threaten you with eternal damnation.

If atheists make up their own minds, why do you feel the need to ask believers to justify their faith? You've already made up your mind, correct? You don't recruit people, correct?

Because it is a discussion in a discussion forum? Because it is an interesting question? And lots of other reasons?

Why do you feel the need to ask what you asked?

See what a silly thing that is?

No sillier than an atheist asking a believer to "prove" what he/she believes in.

Sigh... man you miss the point yet again, on purpose I am sure.

It's a discussion forum dude. If you don't enjoy discussing the topic I don't know why you are here. The fact that you don't have a good justification for your belief is your problem. The theist who admitted they don't care what is true or not is the most honest one, and you will note no one took issue with them. Maybe you should try that?

If your best answer is " because this is a discussion forum" then you are being no more honest than you are assuming I am to be. You want an honest answer? I do care whether or not God exists, because He is the whole reason for the Faith in the first place. If you don't think that is an honest answer, I dont know what else to say.

Reworded - I do care whether or not Zeus exists, because Zeus is the whole reason for the Faith in the first place.

See how silly that is.

Your rewording, not mine.

Mine: If I follow a Religion that believes in the existence of God, I should also care about whether He exists or not.

If I follow a creed that believes in the existence of Santa, I should also care about whether Santa exists or not.

Still silly.

Of course you should. But, since you don't follow such a creed, I'm assuming you don't care whether or not Santa exists.

Why should someone care about something that for a fact does not exist?

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Anonymous wrote:They would rather go to Hell than be wrong. They also don't want too many other people to go to Heaven who will witness the stupidity so they want to drag as many as they can to the losing side.

Sounds like you're feeling tempted by atheism.

Forget it. you're not our type.

Besides no one is recruited to atheism. We all make up our own minds. No one will come to your door to give you the good news or threaten you with eternal damnation.

If atheists make up their own minds, why do you feel the need to ask believers to justify their faith? You've already made up your mind, correct? You don't recruit people, correct?

Because it is a discussion in a discussion forum? Because it is an interesting question? And lots of other reasons?

Why do you feel the need to ask what you asked?

See what a silly thing that is?

No sillier than an atheist asking a believer to "prove" what he/she believes in.

Sigh... man you miss the point yet again, on purpose I am sure.

It's a discussion forum dude. If you don't enjoy discussing the topic I don't know why you are here. The fact that you don't have a good justification for your belief is your problem. The theist who admitted they don't care what is true or not is the most honest one, and you will note no one took issue with them. Maybe you should try that?

If your best answer is " because this is a discussion forum" then you are being no more honest than you are assuming I am to be. You want an honest answer? I do care whether or not God exists, because He is the whole reason for the Faith in the first place. If you don't think that is an honest answer, I dont know what else to say.

Reworded - I do care whether or not Zeus exists, because Zeus is the whole reason for the Faith in the first place.

See how silly that is.

Your rewording, not mine.

Mine: If I follow a Religion that believes in the existence of God, I should also care about whether He exists or not.

If I follow a creed that believes in the existence of Santa, I should also care about whether Santa exists or not.

Still silly.

Of course you should. But, since you don't follow such a creed, I'm assuming you don't care whether or not Santa exists.

Why should someone care about something that for a fact does not exist?

Different question. PP was talking about believing in something, then caring or not whether it exists.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is proof positive of one thing. People, regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, are terrible to each other. We really suck.

Not really - if someone is lying right to my face I don't have to take it. It's a random anonymous forum - don't take this for truth/reality. Be happy you're exposed to some real opinions that are likely quite different from your daily inner circle.

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I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

Buddhists meditate. They are not deists but have a core set of beliefs. Do atheists have an issue with that, too?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

Buddhists meditate. They are not deists but have a core set of beliefs. Do atheists have an issue with that, too?

do they believe that they will have an afterlife? I have no problem with meditation.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is proof positive of one thing. People, regardless of religious belief or lack thereof, are terrible to each other. We really suck.

Not really - if someone is lying right to my face I don't have to take it. It's a random anonymous forum - don't take this for truth/reality. Be happy you're exposed to some real opinions that are likely quite different from your daily inner circle.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

Buddhists meditate. They are not deists but have a core set of beliefs. Do atheists have an issue with that, too?

Yes, if they make claims about spirits, realms and reincarnation and other supernatural phenomena, and more importantly, if they were to try and legislate based on their mythology like our current speaker.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

That sounds really nice -- and honest-- and a good reason to believe. You don't care if it's real, as long as it makes you feel good.

Sounds like the way some people feel about certain foods - they don't care if they know that it makes them fat and isn't good for them, as long as they enjoy it.

It's an ok attitude as long as you don't tell people who feel differently about food that they are going to hell for eternity.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

That sounds really nice -- and honest-- and a good reason to believe. You don't care if it's real, as long as it makes you feel good.

Sounds like the way some people feel about certain foods - they don't care if they know that it makes them fat and isn't good for them, as long as they enjoy it.

It's an ok attitude as long as you don't tell people who feel differently about food that they are going to hell for eternity.

or that you shouldn't engage in a conversation about food with them because your opinions differ.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

That sounds really nice -- and honest-- and a good reason to believe. You don't care if it's real, as long as it makes you feel good.

Sounds like the way some people feel about certain foods - they don't care if they know that it makes them fat and isn't good for them, as long as they enjoy it.

It's an ok attitude as long as you don't tell people who feel differently about food that they are going to hell for eternity.

or that you shouldn't engage in a conversation about food with them because your opinions differ.

But it's OK to do online.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe because I like the effect that has on my life and emotions. If what I believe in doesn't exist that doesn't change the reason.

Buddhists meditate. They are not deists but have a core set of beliefs. Do atheists have an issue with that, too?

do they believe that they will have an afterlife? I have no problem with meditation.

They believe in Karma and reincarnation. On earth.