Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

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Anonymous wrote:As a graduate of one of the most elite colleges, Harvard's complaints are hypocritical. They are very happy to comply with progressive mandates from the Federal government (the Fed has long used the threat of the purse to get universities to comply with Federal mandates, such as Title IX or affirmative action or sex/gender politics). But when the Federal government uses the threat of the purse in a different way, suddenly it's a violation of free speech? While the other mandates weren't? Wow!

Cry me a river. Harvard isn't that special. Like all progressive institutions, it is deeply hypocritical. It, along with other elite colleges, has lost a great deal of credibility and respect in the last 10-15 years. A Harvard diploma does not carry the weight it did in 2005. Harvard can do what it wants but if it loses Federal funding, few Americans outside the NYT readership will care, and that is what Harvard doesn't understand.

This is a good point, nobody complains when the government or accessories tell them to admit more URM

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Anonymous wrote:All the people against Harvard - if you get cancer will you be seeking the latest treatments and research? I don’t understand why you’d want to disrupt our nation’s most amazing asset (or research industry).

Perhaps there is an ideological cancer they are more urgently concerned about

I have no doubt that those funds can go to another university which isn’t stuffed with a 97% leftist faculty.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s put this in perspective. If a Harvard grad were to manage its endowment and earn 4.25% then that would cover the $2.2B.

So, send the money to help support public education and let Harvard do its own thing.

There are enough R1 public institutions to pick up the slack.

There are people on this thread who have zero understanding of higher ed financing.
Trump is eviscerating NIH, the CDC, and the NSF. Where do you think R1s are supposed to be getting their funding? Why don't you actually try to educate yourself before making nonsense comments. It's not just Harvard and private universities that are being skewered, it's all universities, both public and private, that have a significant research arm.

All funding is not being cut. Reasonable amounts are being offered for overhead costs and if I am not mistaken Columbia’s funding has been released.

Sanity is being brought to the process. So, perhaps take a moment to step back and think before you criticize those that are far more informed than you appear to be.

I doubt you are more informed than me.
-R1 tenure professor

Tenure may be part of the problem. They should look into that.

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Anonymous wrote:So long as bright students want to live and work together places like Harvard will be a going concern. Also, when EU slides into their DMs and says they'll fund Harvard in exchange for some IP action then we'll all see the masks fall. This administration doesn't want to put Harvard out of business. They want to control it. Hostile takeover

They don't even fund their own universities at this level, why the fck would they fund ours?

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Anonymous wrote:LMFAO these people were claiming hard that Harvard was a private school and it doesn't take any Federal funding so it can do whatever it choose to just last year when the discrimination case was going on.

Now they are cry babies that Fed taking away some money. WTF

That's because they admissions office is private, the part that gets federal funding needs the money. And this research cannot happen anywhere else at any other university in America. You cannot just take that research grant and move it to UNC and just hope the researchers that depend on that grant to move from Boston to Charlotte, NC. They would hate the mild weather and low cost of living and the white picket fences. The horror

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has hundreds of billions in endowments. They can support their own programs without 9 biillion in government funds.

Ok. And they will keep and retain all rights to their medical innovations, cancer treatments, etc., going forward. No more cheap labor for the government and no more technology available to them. Harvard can retain all rights. Public can no longer re rice the benefits or vaccines developed by this private institution.

Harvard is not the only does that in the world. Government can have better deal elsewhere anytime.

Tell us where and how, with specifics.

DP

Any flagship state university.

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Anonymous wrote:So long as bright students want to live and work together places like Harvard will be a going concern. Also, when EU slides into their DMs and says they'll fund Harvard in exchange for some IP action then we'll all see the masks fall. This administration doesn't want to put Harvard out of business. They want to control it. Hostile takeover

They don't even fund their own universities at this level, why the fck would they fund ours?

Exploitable IP. Or bonds

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

There are many concerns with the demands, but here are three:

-Harvard is being told they have to end recognition of student orgs merely accused of things, not proven to have done those things. Many of the allegations have been disputed.

-Affirmative action and DEI aren’t the same. DEI can still play a role in ensuring no discrimination, but they are being told even that is not allowed.

- Most seriously, Harvard employees and students would be immediately evaluated for “viewpoint diversity. ” If not satisfying the gov, future hires and admits would need to reach whatever level of parity the gov sees fit. Viewpoint diversity is a subjective assessment, and easily corrupted to disallow academic criticism of public policy. That would remove yet another “check,” as the politicians studied by academics would now control the hiring of those asking the questions, not unlike what just happened with the WH press corps.

Can the gov withhold Harvard funding if their demands aren’t met? Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right, as the courts exist to determine compliance with the law, not to tell us what laws we should have. Much of this hasn’t been attempted before in this country, so at least some of the relevant laws are vague. If they do pull it off, why would the top researchers and students in the world stay when they are in high demand by countries not policing thought?

For all intent and purposes the nuanced differences between racially discriminatory DEI/affirmative action and racial discrimination are semantics.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

There are many concerns with the demands, but here are three:

-Harvard is being told they have to end recognition of student orgs merely accused of things, not proven to have done those things. Many of the allegations have been disputed.

-Affirmative action and DEI aren’t the same. DEI can still play a role in ensuring no discrimination, but they are being told even that is not allowed.

- Most seriously, Harvard employees and students would be immediately evaluated for “viewpoint diversity. ” If not satisfying the gov, future hires and admits would need to reach whatever level of parity the gov sees fit. Viewpoint diversity is a subjective assessment, and easily corrupted to disallow academic criticism of public policy. That would remove yet another “check,” as the politicians studied by academics would now control the hiring of those asking the questions, not unlike what just happened with the WH press corps.

Can the gov withhold Harvard funding if their demands aren’t met? Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right, as the courts exist to determine compliance with the law, not to tell us what laws we should have. Much of this hasn’t been attempted before in this country, so at least some of the relevant laws are vague. If they do pull it off, why would the top researchers and students in the world stay when they are in high demand by countries not policing thought?

So the anti Asian discrimination revealed by the sffa case doesn't disturb you?

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Harvard is awarded such research dollars because they provide higher ROI than many other R1 institutions. Nobody at USAF gives a flying F about the name brand when they need advanced materials research. They gave it to Harvard (or MIT or wherever) because they know the quality of the product.

Move the money elsewhere and cross your fingers that our top students and researchers will follow it.

Just keep in mind that public funding priorities shift every 2 years or so. Places like Harvard survive for 100+ years because they are not completely beholden to public funding. Many other schools are.

The federal funding of research is relatively new. The researchers will go to whatever institution will find their research.

The air force officer in charge of awarding research grants absolutely cares about name brand. If Harvard starts to become a risky place to award research grants they will stop getting research grants.

100 years ago Harvard was just starting to become selective and trying to keep out the JOOS.

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Anonymous wrote:So long as bright students want to live and work together places like Harvard will be a going concern. Also, when EU slides into their DMs and says they'll fund Harvard in exchange for some IP action then we'll all see the masks fall. This administration doesn't want to put Harvard out of business. They want to control it. Hostile takeover

Yes. See previous post. It’s extortion. A dictatorship to control all thought.

They're the ones that decided it was a good idea to play politics and pick a side.

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Sure. Except it won’t be doing research for US federal programs.

Stopping this research primarily hurts the US, not Harvard.

Harvard is not the only university in the US.

Hey dipsh@t- funding being frozen and cut at NIH, CDC, EPA, etc. affects/hurts public universities too.

I see your busy losing the next election. Just winning heats and minds left and right.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

+100

People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

Cite? Because this would be really embarrassing if true

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Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Harvard is awarded such research dollars because they provide higher ROI than many other R1 institutions. Nobody at USAF gives a flying F about the name brand when they need advanced materials research. They gave it to Harvard (or MIT or wherever) because they know the quality of the product.

Move the money elsewhere and cross your fingers that our top students and researchers will follow it.

Just keep in mind that public funding priorities shift every 2 years or so. Places like Harvard survive for 100+ years because they are not completely beholden to public funding. Many other schools are.

The fine researchers will go to where the money is already.
Just a little shuffling, no big deal.

This is where you are really wrong. The researchers will go where their intellectual peers are already. Eating sandwiches and talking about neutrinos together at lunch.

If all the physics research grants are moved to UIUC, how are the physics researchers going to pay for those sandwiches?

If all the bio research is moved to U Pitt, how are all those bio researchers going to pay for those sandwiches?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the one has been acted like fascist and cartel.

We need major reformation.

Yes only RWNJ propaganda will be taught!

After generations of LWNJ propaganda, it might be a nice change of pace.