Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

The govt-university partnership for research was put in place post WW2 and is the basis of the innovation ecosystem of the United States. It has been extremely productive for America. If the govt wants to break that partnership by imposing limitations on the college, they are free to do so.

If the country doesn’t want premier research universities, we won’t have premier research universities. No university can afford to fund this on their own for the good of the United States.

What we won’t have is premier research universities where free expression is stifled. Those two things don’t work together. If you want creativity and big ideas out of people, you can’t tell them what to think like the govt is trying to do right now.

Free expression at Harvard is at 0%
They shouldn't get any taxpayer money with their multi-billion dollar endowment.

Stop the false narrative that the government is just "giving" money to universities.

The government wants services/research from private and public universities that the government cannot do itself. The government puts out a request for proposals to the general population to get those services. Various university professors with expertise and resources to do the work submit proposals. The government reviews them all and picks the one they deem best to give them the services they need.

This helps the university because it attracts student who are interested in that area of research, and it helps fund the process of furthering that area of research deemed important by Congress. And it helps our country because the government is getting the results it asked for, in addition to attracting and developing the best and brightest in academia and research, which is a huge asset to the country. Destroying this process is very bad for the United States.

Yes, he government is the paying customer. It's not obligated to pay Harvard.

Except that the government in this case is not pulling funding due to lack of product or poor research. It's doing it because Trump and his cronies want to stamp out any competing voices who might shed light on their constant stream of lies.

Wake up dummy.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

All taxpayers will never agree on anything. If the standard for receipt taxpayer funds is agreement from all taxpayers, then nothing would ever be funded from public coffers.

What nonsense.

Imagine thinking we would continue to fund the “valuable scientific research” at a university that allowed student protestors to shout at black students that they should go back to Africa. It would never happen. Yet Jews were told at Princeton to “go back to Europe” and called “inbred swine.”

Perhaps punish the kids who said that and not the entire university and critical medical research.

EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

Anyone who cites a single or small group of students' bad behavior as justification for the autocratic overreach and lawlessness of the current administration is a moron. Or evil.

Or an evil moron!

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Heard Trump is planning to unleash all the big law firms that Trump now controls against Harvard.

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom all the rest of them are going to take Harvard down!

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

The govt-university partnership for research was put in place post WW2 and is the basis of the innovation ecosystem of the United States. It has been extremely productive for America. If the govt wants to break that partnership by imposing limitations on the college, they are free to do so.

If the country doesn’t want premier research universities, we won’t have premier research universities. No university can afford to fund this on their own for the good of the United States.

What we won’t have is premier research universities where free expression is stifled. Those two things don’t work together. If you want creativity and big ideas out of people, you can’t tell them what to think like the govt is trying to do right now.

Right because free speech want stifled before this year. Cancel culture didn't exist. Conservative kids didn't have to overcome higher barriers to entry than progressive kids. Diversity statements weren't required as a condition of employment.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

All taxpayers will never agree on anything. If the standard for receipt taxpayer funds is agreement from all taxpayers, then nothing would ever be funded from public coffers.

Right. That's why we have elections. Trump won the last election. In no small part because people were turned off to the liberal elite messaging, the racial discrimination against white and asians, the never ending stream of woke ideology coming out of places like Harvard.

If I have learned one thing in the past couple of years is all the same people who say they can't stand racism against Asians had no problem with COVID epithets and violence against Asians and hate meritocracy when Asians actually thrive.

The same people who cry about anti semitism at universities embrace salutes and white supremacists like Stephen miller.

So no...no one is taking you any seriously any more. You've rung a false tune on that bell too many times.

We all who were attacking Asians during Covid, and it wasn’t Trump supporters.

Same with antisemitism. We’ve all seen outright hate and violence the last 1.5 years and it wasn’t coming from MAGA.

Stop your lying and projecting. It was too MAGA. MAGA are the hate group here. And they support a hateful, bigoted, lying POTUS who is trying to make himself a dicatator.

Wake up moron.

Cleaning up the Libs mess since they hate this country.

Yes secret police kidnapping people off the street and doing away with free markets. You RWNJs are cleaning the world up. When are the summery executions?

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Anonymous wrote:All the people against Harvard - if you get cancer will you be seeking the latest treatments and research? I don’t understand why you’d want to disrupt our nation’s most amazing asset (or research industry).

Perhaps there is an ideological cancer they are more urgently concerned about

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Anonymous wrote:First they go for the colleges…. You idiots cheering this type of stuff on…they will eventually come for you too. (Unless you are an American billionaire and part of the oligarchy).

Because you say so.

They are actually also going for international students, law firms, and the media.

With good reason.

So you are an authoritarian bootlicker who supports throwing out the Constitution.

Hard at work losing the next election I see

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

Support for Israel vastly exceeds support of the other side among everyone except liberal Dems. Poll after poll is consistent on this. And 2/3 Americans support deporting terrorist radicals. Trump isn’t losing support on this issue.

He's losing support on tarriffs and the economy. He is losing support over his recklessly cutting government to fund tax cuts.

But as despicable as it is, he's not losing support on the lack of due process before sending alleged gang members to CECOT. Or deporting illegal aliens.

But the consistency he is concerned about isn't Americans or even the right. It's blue collar swing voters from Minnesota to Pennsylvania.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

Support for Israel vastly exceeds support of the other side among everyone except liberal Dems. Poll after poll is consistent on this. And 2/3 Americans support deporting terrorist radicals. Trump isn’t losing support on this issue.

Define "other side"? Do you mean Palestinians or do you mean Hamas?

The war is between Israel and Hamas.

The Palestinians are to Hamas what the Germans were to the Nazis. We still bombed the fck out of Dresden

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Anonymous wrote:The letter to Harvard contains two phrases that are concerning - ideological capture and viewpoint diversity. Neither of these are real things. They are weasel words invented by the Trump administration. Ask any Trumper “if it’s real, it should be measurable. What percent of the faculty has been ideologically captured and how did you measure it? Can you draw me a graph? When you say that there needs to be viewpoint diversity how are you measuring it? How would you know if you have achieved it? Would that mean that half of the Divinity School faculty needs to be an atheist? What percentage of the economics department at George Mason should be Marxist? Half, right?”

It means that Harvard is dominated by woke ideology. It requires diversity statements at a condition of employment. It has a political agenda.

Claudine Gay's treatment of Roland Fryer and Ronald Sullivan would not be tolerated otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

Support for Israel vastly exceeds support of the other side among everyone except liberal Dems. Poll after poll is consistent on this. And 2/3 Americans support deporting terrorist radicals. Trump isn’t losing support on this issue.

He's losing support on tarriffs and the economy. He is losing support over his recklessly cutting government to fund tax cuts.

But as despicable as it is, he's not losing support on the lack of due process before sending alleged gang members to CECOT. Or deporting illegal aliens.

But the consistency he is concerned about isn't Americans or even the right. It's blue collar swing voters from Minnesota to Pennsylvania.

Who hate intellectual “elites”

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Trump wants to limit free speech that he doesn't like. Does anyone remember, "there were very fine people on both sides?" He had no problem with the Proud boys and their vile "free speech".

You're propagandized and don't even know it. Don't quote things you hear on CNN. Listen to the full uncut speech and you'll see that's not what he was talking about.

Fact: In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally." <--- from the full uncut speech

Given that virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right rally concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, Trump's statement did in fact amount to him saying that neo Nazis and white nationalists are "very fine people."

The anti-semitism angle is just bizarre for this administration, and reminds me of the exact propaganda Putin used. Putin claimed that he was invading Ukraine to liberate them from their Nazi oppressors. Despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish. Trump seems to be following the same dictator playbook and borrowing similar propaganda tactics.

Trump is using Jews as a scapegoat, as an excuse. This will not end well for Jews. Support for Israel is already significantly down according to a recent Pew research poll. I am beyond frustrated by the various Jewish mom/parent social media groups that work members up in a frenzy with cherry-picked data on antisemitism on college campuses.

Support for Israel vastly exceeds support of the other side among everyone except liberal Dems. Poll after poll is consistent on this. And 2/3 Americans support deporting terrorist radicals. Trump isn’t losing support on this issue.

Define "other side"? Do you mean Palestinians or do you mean Hamas?

The war is between Israel and Hamas.

The Palestinians are to Hamas what the Germans were to the Nazis. We still bombed the fck out of Dresden

Many military experts consider the bombing of Dresden a war crime, just FYI. But I assume that in the godless company that you keep, cruelty is valued.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has hundreds of billions in endowments. They can support their own programs without 9 biillion in government funds.

Ok. And they will keep and retain all rights to their medical innovations, cancer treatments, etc., going forward. No more cheap labor for the government and no more technology available to them. Harvard can retain all rights. Public can no longer re rice the benefits or vaccines developed by this private institution.

Who do you think makes the money on the vaccines developed so far? It is not the govmt. It is the private institutions. So why should the public fund this. Let big pharma fund it.

Most vaccine research fails. Like almost all of it. The best they can do to have a snowballs chance is build on their failures where they have all of their proprietary data, and on all of the publicly funded research. The "market" has not been able to solve research funding. That is why government funding is critical.

Now let's all be very honest with ourselves. Considering the stakes do you want Parkinson's research being done students at Harvard or by students at our local community colleges? We can build the best and newest labs wherever we want but the best students and researchers want to congregate and work together. That is the great power of these schools. They are where our genius nerds can talk about folding proteins over breakfast cereal every morning with whoever happens to be sitting nearby. That doesn't happen at commuter colleges or at colleges where most students are learning 9-5 job skills

And why can't those researchers come to University of Florida or Penn State?

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Research is big business.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard has hundreds of billions in endowments. They can support their own programs without 9 biillion in government funds.

Ok. And they will keep and retain all rights to their medical innovations, cancer treatments, etc., going forward. No more cheap labor for the government and no more technology available to them. Harvard can retain all rights. Public can no longer re rice the benefits or vaccines developed by this private institution.

Harvard is not the only does that in the world. Government can have better deal elsewhere anytime.

Trump decided to benefit big pharma. If you're looking to him to negotiate lower prices for drugs like insulin or obesity drugs, you are supporting the wrong party.

I don't support private school cartels that think they can do whatever they want.
People were lying that these private schools were free to do whatever they want since they were privates and don't take Federal money.
I'm in shock now that they have been taking tons of tax money.

Well, they're private parties that aren't federally funded and don't need to abide by the 14th amendment when they want to racially discriminate against Asians you dumb ass. And they definitely shouldn't have their tax exempt status examined to see if their past racial discrimination bars them from tax exempt status.