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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can the posters who rail on about how our education system is “inadequately funded” please be specific about what they actually expect? We already spend WAY more per student than any other country on earth, sometimes by a factor of 10. What do you seriously expect[b]? A personal 1:1 aide for every single student with a “special needs” diagnosis? Do you have any idea how much that would cost? [/b]

Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of a chance for all at public education but that doesn’t mean we support it for all students AT ALL COSTS which seems to be what some people expect. I[b]’m happy to give everyone a chance but if they can’t function in a mainstream classroom without affecting the safety or education of others then they need to go somewhere else. And yes that might be many such kids together in a room in a special facility without sharp tools and possibly without computers or other expensive items (or behind unbreakable glass shield or something like that) and with a teacher specially trained to handle those kids who gets paid more for the knowledge and danger[/b]. [/quote]

I agree with the sentiment, but cost is literally why things are so poopy for everyone and there’s a focus on mainstreaming.

Take for instance, this article [b]from 2013[/b] so you can imagine the increase in prices.

https://www.pullcom.com/newsroom-publications-Demystifying-The-Costs-of-Special-Education

[quote] Over at least the past decade, however, there has been a role reversal as districts recommend placements within the public schools, but many parents seek out-of-district day or residential placements.  These placements are not inexpensive: [b]one Boston-area residential facility for autistic children costs more than $400,000 a year[/b].  Similarly, a residential school for visually impaired children near Boston charges approximately $300,000.  While these placements are at the high end, [b]it is not unusual for ten-month residential programs to charge between $70,000 to $150,000.[/b]  While day programs are typically less expensive, when the cost of transportation is added, a residential placement can sometimes be more cost-effective. [/quote]

Meanwhile, the highest average cost per student to be educated in a mainstream classroom, in the U.S. is in NY where it’s like twenty-something thousand per student.

So, when we’re at a point where almost 1 in 5 students have special needs (of all levels, but which require extra accommodation and funding nonetheless).. what’s the answer? Honestly, what is the answer? The majority of your state and local taxes are already going to k-12 education (federal funding covers like.. 10% of k-12 budgets). If we want to adequately fund schools to the idealistic point of what so many of us call “the simple solution” where every kid regardless of ability or potential gets exactly what they need.. are you willing to pay 2,3,4+ times more state and local taxes? And if you are because you have a mid-six figure income and can afford i, do you think the other 90% of Americans who make less than $200k a year are willing/able to?

There’s not any good/heartwarming/perfect/feelgood answer here.

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No, I’m not prepared to pay any more local taxes to give disruptive students more stuff to destroy. Once we pay double the cost for them as for other students, that is enough.[/quote]

Kids with severe physical disabilities are similarly expensive. Should it be "too bad so sad" for them, too?

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Those were, IMO—what IDEA initially was about. And also relatively rare to where having a couple kids in each school who are physically disabled isn’t going to be a huge deal (and they also don’t harm other students). But now we’re at the point where every classroom seems to have 2+ “chair throwers”. It’s not sustainable and it’s not fair to everyone else.[/quote]

If you think that then you clearly have never read IDEA.[/quote]

Our lawmakers certainly did not envision classrooms across America looking more like zoos with several completely out of control kids and teachers who are legally prevented from doing a single thing about it.[/quote]

No, they didn't. But that's because they thought school districts would properly fund and resource special education programs.[/quote]

No. It’s because this problem has EXPLODED in size to the point where even very large rich districts like FCPS do not have the funds to handle the problem. [/quote]

I clearly remember it first becoming a problem beginning about 2005-2007, when the county I was teaching in created new policies for behavior management that prohibited removing disruptive children from classrooms, as we had done prior to that.  We were told that the removals were causing too much lost learning time for those removed.  We were given a bunch of stupid and ineffective methods for dealing with disruption, and many teachers ended up having to evacuate their classrooms once every week or two when some student lost it.  These decisions were mostly admin, who apparently were facing some consequences or rewards based on the number of students they removed from general ed.  [/quote]
The Democrat SYSTEM is LITERALLY created to INCREASE classroom VIOLENCE.[/quote]

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