Why is there so much opposition to ending birthright citizenship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the birthright babies were white nobody would be whining about them.
But they should want Asian and South Asian brbs because they will work hard, get into colleges, be our bosses.
The brush no one wants are doing jobs no "natural born americun" wants. You want to have your kids working gutting chickens, cutting up beef, milking cows, curring my laen?

Nope

Get rid of it

Western expansion days and populating to protect the border and fight off the French and Spaniards are long gone.

Abolish Citizenship by Birth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In an age when traveling to/from the United States was a major ordeal and impediment to abuse, perhaps birthright citizenship made sense.

The majority of the country does not believe that hopping on a flight from Beijing to Los Angeles, or driving across the border, while pregnant so you can get automatic "birthright" citizenship for your child, is a rational policy.

Citizenship bestows privileged and why should they be given to just anyone whose parents just show up here to give birth?

Let’s flip it.

Given the lack of borders, processes and enforcement of the immigration laws, coupled with the hospitality and freebies of free ER care, schooling, NGo donated food & clothes, and anchor baby welfare benefits….

…. WHY WOULDN’T YOU ILLEGALLY COME HERE? and have a bunch of kids in order to stay indefinitely

Nothing is stopping you, in fact everything is encouraging you. Silence signals agreement.

Why wouldn’t a developing country person traipse through Central America or fly to Mexico City and sneak in or do the loony 5 year catch & release phony asylum play?

Or always birth babies here for the call option of using the anchor baby for America’s education, military, welfare systems, and protection? The kid can show up with anyone to any American embassy in the world and get help.

Why wouldn’t you illegally come here?

Plus instead of $2/hour in Honduras, you can make $8/hour cash! Wow!

They be coming! Big wave! Coming right up, Feliz Navidad

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:European countries have histories of bloodlines, people who have lived in an area for a long time, have a shared culture, shared history, some shared DNA and have a similar look/features.

Countries in the western hemisphere were formed by immigration, by people moving to those countries. The United States does not have a long history of people who have lived in an area for a long time, with shared culture, shared history, shared DNA, similar look, etc. What we have is a shared culture that we all create, that is built upon chosen unity.

If we were to abolish birthright citizenship and switch to jus sanguinis, I assume that those of us who are currently citizens would be grandfathered in? Where would the cutoff be? People who have bloodlines as of 2024? Or were you thinking of something else?

The US has over 345 million people and is the 3rd largest nation on Earth. We do not need more and have plenty of bloodlines to draw from. Ending birthright citizenship would apply going forward. It wouldn't impact current citizens at all.

We should impose common sense reform like simply requiring one parent be a citizen for a child to obtain citizenship. This is exactly what so many other countries do. It closes huge security holes that could be exploited too.

Yes we do need more. The only reason our population is not declining is because we have strong immigration. Without our immigration we'd be struggling with the same demographic issues countries in Asia are dealing with because they are so strict about immigration.

I don't disagree with your last point though. I think that's a totally fair requirement.

No we would not be struggling more or suffering like whatever Asian countries you think are actually suffering right now.
Dont make that up.

Unskilled, illiterate, uneducated Illegal immigrants are net negative. They are not some magic growth engine because they can do manual labor like dishes washing or cutting blades of grass. Those cash pay contractor jobs aren’t driving GDP. Maybe if they manage to become skilled home builders but even those are being replaced by mini factories that do walls, etc

I didn't make anything up. It's a well documented issue that is very much beginning to affect their economies. It's why they too are looking for ways to force young women to have more babies. The answer is never "let's make it easier to raise a family in this country," instead it's always "what rights can we strip women of so they won't have a choice to produce more wage slaves for us."

The US isn't having nearly as bad a time as many Asian countries because we have lots of immigration. Without it, our population would be in decline. I know your type don't like facts, but this is easily verifiable.

Somebody alert the Japanese. The solution to their problem is a broken asylum system that lets BS claimants live and work in the US while their “case” gets heard. And also border jumpers and other illegals.

Who knew it was so easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the birthright babies were white nobody would be whining about them.
But they should want Asian and South Asian brbs because they will work hard, get into colleges, be our bosses.
The brush no one wants are doing jobs no "natural born americun" wants. You want to have your kids working gutting chickens, cutting up beef, milking cows, curring my laen?

We heard you the first 10,000 times you told us you were entitled to slave labor. We didn’t need you to tell us again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes stop Citizenship by Birth, starting now.

There are zero reasons for having it this or next century.

Then close the borders.

Then do the deportations, fines for employing illegals, require english at all hospitals, schools and govt buildings, etc. Like most other countries do.

Yes and make it illegal for people who aren’t citizens or valid permanent residents to be educated in any of our schools. Or to be allowed to rent apartments. There’s no reason illegals or tourists should be able to rent apartments.

+1

This is up in a few states legislatures: No free k-12 education if parents and child are: not documented (no have any docs!), or not a citizen or legal green card holder or legal visa (no phony asylum).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes stop Citizenship by Birth, starting now.

There are zero reasons for having it this or next century.

Then close the borders.

Then do the deportations, fines for employing illegals, require english at all hospitals, schools and govt buildings, etc. Like most other countries do.

Yes and make it illegal for people who aren’t citizens or valid permanent residents to be educated in any of our schools. Or to be allowed to rent apartments. There’s no reason illegals or tourists should be able to rent apartments.

+1

This is up in a few states legislatures: No free k-12 education if parents and child are: not documented (no have any docs!), or not a citizen or legal green card holder or legal visa (no phony asylum).

“Phony asylum” is the law. Congress needs to change that law, but Trump threw a monkey wrench in it. Why? Because he doesn’t care about fixing our immigration system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Birthright citizenship for kids whose parents are here legally. I've heard of wealthy who come here only to give birth and get babies citizenship.

Do you realize the wealthy are here legally? They come on tourist visas and give birth in the US. Their babies have citizenship, but legally that doesn’t mean that the parents can stay.

So, birthright citizenship would do nothing about this because the mother has legal status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes stop Citizenship by Birth, starting now.

There are zero reasons for having it this or next century.

Then close the borders.

Then do the deportations, fines for employing illegals, require english at all hospitals, schools and govt buildings, etc. Like most other countries do.

Yes and make it illegal for people who aren’t citizens or valid permanent residents to be educated in any of our schools. Or to be allowed to rent apartments. There’s no reason illegals or tourists should be able to rent apartments.

+1

This is up in a few states legislatures: No free k-12 education if parents and child are: not documented (no have any docs!), or not a citizen or legal green card holder or legal visa (no phony asylum).

State law cannot overturn Federal law & SCOTUS decisions - Doe v Plyer - stating that children cannot be denied a free public education on the basis of their immigration status. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/public_education_for_immigrant_students_understanding_plyer_v_doe.pdf

“ In June 1982, the Supreme Court issued Plyler v. Doe, a landmark decision holding that states cannot
constitutionally deny students a free public education on account of their immigration status. By a 5-4 vote,
the Court found that any resources which might be saved from excluding undocumented children from public
schools were far outweighed by the harms imposed on society at large from denying them an education.
For more than thirty years, Plyler has ensured equal access to education for children regardless of status, but
anti-immigrant sentiment continues to threaten that right. States and localities have passed measures and
adopted unofficial policies that violate the spirit —if not the letter —of the Court’s decision. For example, in
2011 the state of Alabama enacted a law requiring school administrators to determine the immigration status
of newly enrolling students, which in turn resulted in markedly higher rates of absenteeism for Latino school
children and caused much fear and confusion in schools. Supporters of the Alabama law wanted to challenge
Plyler itself, claiming the Court implied that its ruling could change if sufficient evidence established that the
enrollment of undocumented children harmed the overall quality of education, but that challenge was
blocked by the Courts.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes stop Citizenship by Birth, starting now.

There are zero reasons for having it this or next century.

Then close the borders.

Then do the deportations, fines for employing illegals, require english at all hospitals, schools and govt buildings, etc. Like most other countries do.

Yes and make it illegal for people who aren’t citizens or valid permanent residents to be educated in any of our schools. Or to be allowed to rent apartments. There’s no reason illegals or tourists should be able to rent apartments.

+1

This is up in a few states legislatures: No free k-12 education if parents and child are: not documented (no have any docs!), or not a citizen or legal green card holder or legal visa (no phony asylum).

State law cannot overturn Federal law & SCOTUS decisions - Doe v Plyer - stating that children cannot be denied a free public education on the basis of their immigration status. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/public_education_for_immigrant_students_understanding_plyer_v_doe.pdf

“ In June 1982, the Supreme Court issued Plyler v. Doe, a landmark decision holding that states cannot
constitutionally deny students a free public education on account of their immigration status. By a 5-4 vote,
the Court found that any resources which might be saved from excluding undocumented children from public
schools were far outweighed by the harms imposed on society at large from denying them an education.
For more than thirty years, Plyler has ensured equal access to education for children regardless of status, but
anti-immigrant sentiment continues to threaten that right. States and localities have passed measures and
adopted unofficial policies that violate the spirit —if not the letter —of the Court’s decision. For example, in
2011 the state of Alabama enacted a law requiring school administrators to determine the immigration status
of newly enrolling students, which in turn resulted in markedly higher rates of absenteeism for Latino school
children and caused much fear and confusion in schools. Supporters of the Alabama law wanted to challenge
Plyler itself, claiming the Court implied that its ruling could change if sufficient evidence established that the
enrollment of undocumented children harmed the overall quality of education, but that challenge was
blocked by the Courts.”

Just like roe, pyler needs to go, send this up to the supreme Court to overturn. We need to look at all the crazy left supreme Court rulings of the 70s and early 80s before the normal Reagan supreme Court appointees were put in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In an age when traveling to/from the United States was a major ordeal and impediment to abuse, perhaps birthright citizenship made sense.

The majority of the country does not believe that hopping on a flight from Beijing to Los Angeles, or driving across the border, while pregnant so you can get automatic "birthright" citizenship for your child, is a rational policy.

Citizenship bestows privileged and why should they be given to just anyone whose parents just show up here to give birth?

Let’s flip it.

Given the lack of borders, processes and enforcement of the immigration laws, coupled with the hospitality and freebies of free ER care, schooling, NGo donated food & clothes, and anchor baby welfare benefits….

…. WHY WOULDN’T YOU ILLEGALLY COME HERE? and have a bunch of kids in order to stay indefinitely

Nothing is stopping you, in fact everything is encouraging you. Silence signals agreement.

Why wouldn’t a developing country person traipse through Central America or fly to Mexico City and sneak in or do the loony 5 year catch & release phony asylum play?

Or always birth babies here for the call option of using the anchor baby for America’s education, military, welfare systems, and protection? The kid can show up with anyone to any American embassy in the world and get help.

Why wouldn’t you illegally come here?

Plus instead of $2/hour in Honduras, you can make $8/hour cash! Wow!

I don't personally blame any foreign citizen who came here unlawfully -- we're the stupid ones who've created this mess. But nonetheless, they are foreign citizens and they will need to return to their home countries.

We did it on purpose. The exploited underclass of people created by illegal immigration is the engine that powers our economy. Send them all home, entire industries would collapse. Prices would skyrocket. Neither party is serious about fixing immigration because their corporate donors do not want them to. When will people wake up?

Want to stop them from coming? Go after the people who exploit/employ them under the table. Remove the incentives to come here, and they'll stop coming. But we're not going to do that because we benefit from them being here, just as much as we benefit from keeping them on the edges of society where they can be easily exploited for under the table wages Americans would never accept.

No one wants to talk about how expensive their produce would get, or how expensive food service would get, or who would clean their houses or watch their babies or cut their grass for cheap if we cut off illegal immigration. They just want to hate these people who have done the best they can to survive a shitty lot in life.

You nail this issue. And I appreciate the fact that you point out that these illegal immigrants are exploited because they absolutely are. It’s underground slave labor for cheap and actually disgusting. The fact that Democrats claim we need this abusive slave labor system where they also mooch off the American tax payer is vile.

That said, the new arrivals don’t belong here and need to go home. The knew immigrants taking over Manhattan and overwhelmingly destroying small towns they are flown into in the middle of the nightacross America, get them ALL out of here. These young men ,many of them criminals , need to go home.

More established contributing immigrants need a solid pathway to citizenship so they can fully acclimate to society and quit living underground in the shadows. They deserve dignity. There are more than enough established illegal immigrants to keep industries afloat during the border sealing transition. Meanwhile we clamp down on new the new agggrssive freelloaders of the past five years and fly them out on day one. No more catch and release. Catch and immediately deport is the only way forward.

As opposed to the old immigrants taking over Manhattan that were hated then - you know, the Italians, the Irish, the Puerto Ricans. LOL

[Anonymous]

I agree. No one should be a citizen by virtue of birth.

You should have to earn it through federal service or meeting the criteria for immigration and pass the same citizenship tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree. No one should be a citizen by virtue of birth.

You should have to earn it through federal service or meeting the criteria for immigration and pass the same citizenship tests.

There's a good number of people born right here in the US who don't know a damn thing about civics or actually understand how anything in this country actually works. A lot of them voted for Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree. No one should be a citizen by virtue of birth.

You should have to earn it through federal service or meeting the criteria for immigration and pass the same citizenship tests.

There's a good number of people born right here in the US who don't know a damn thing about civics or actually understand how anything in this country actually works. A lot of them voted for Trump.

OK, lets figure out who they are and strip them of their citizenship. Or we could just start with this generation. Either way sounds like a step in the right direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes stop Citizenship by Birth, starting now.

There are zero reasons for having it this or next century.

Then close the borders.

Then do the deportations, fines for employing illegals, require english at all hospitals, schools and govt buildings, etc. Like most other countries do.

Yes and make it illegal for people who aren’t citizens or valid permanent residents to be educated in any of our schools. Or to be allowed to rent apartments. There’s no reason illegals or tourists should be able to rent apartments.

+1

This is up in a few states legislatures: No free k-12 education if parents and child are: not documented (no have any docs!), or not a citizen or legal green card holder or legal visa (no phony asylum).

State law cannot overturn Federal law & SCOTUS decisions - Doe v Plyer - stating that children cannot be denied a free public education on the basis of their immigration status. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/public_education_for_immigrant_students_understanding_plyer_v_doe.pdf

“ In June 1982, the Supreme Court issued Plyler v. Doe, a landmark decision holding that states cannot
constitutionally deny students a free public education on account of their immigration status. By a 5-4 vote,
the Court found that any resources which might be saved from excluding undocumented children from public
schools were far outweighed by the harms imposed on society at large from denying them an education.
For more than thirty years, Plyler has ensured equal access to education for children regardless of status, but
anti-immigrant sentiment continues to threaten that right. States and localities have passed measures and
adopted unofficial policies that violate the spirit —if not the letter —of the Court’s decision. For example, in
2011 the state of Alabama enacted a law requiring school administrators to determine the immigration status
of newly enrolling students, which in turn resulted in markedly higher rates of absenteeism for Latino school
children and caused much fear and confusion in schools. Supporters of the Alabama law wanted to challenge
Plyler itself, claiming the Court implied that its ruling could change if sufficient evidence established that the
enrollment of undocumented children harmed the overall quality of education, but that challenge was
blocked by the Courts.”

Just like roe, pyler needs to go, send this up to the supreme Court to overturn. We need to look at all the crazy left supreme Court rulings of the 70s and early 80s before the normal Reagan supreme Court appointees were put in

Repealing the 14th amendment would do the trick.

It seems noone really likes it anymore. The left doesn't like that it restricts affirmative action and the right doesn't like the birthright citizenship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European countries have histories of bloodlines, people who have lived in an area for a long time, have a shared culture, shared history, some shared DNA and have a similar look/features.

Countries in the western hemisphere were formed by immigration, by people moving to those countries. The United States does not have a long history of people who have lived in an area for a long time, with shared culture, shared history, shared DNA, similar look, etc. What we have is a shared culture that we all create, that is built upon chosen unity.

If we were to abolish birthright citizenship and switch to jus sanguinis, I assume that those of us who are currently citizens would be grandfathered in? Where would the cutoff be? People who have bloodlines as of 2024? Or were you thinking of something else?

Huh? You realize that people began settling here 400 years ago? That is a pretty long history.

People settled here long before 400 years ago...