Why is there so much opposition to ending birthright citizenship?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:European countries have histories of bloodlines, people who have lived in an area for a long time, have a shared culture, shared history, some shared DNA and have a similar look/features.

Countries in the western hemisphere were formed by immigration, by people moving to those countries. The United States does not have a long history of people who have lived in an area for a long time, with shared culture, shared history, shared DNA, similar look, etc. What we have is a shared culture that we all create, that is built upon chosen unity.

If we were to abolish birthright citizenship and switch to jus sanguinis, I assume that those of us who are currently citizens would be grandfathered in? Where would the cutoff be? People who have bloodlines as of 2024? Or were you thinking of something else?

The US has over 345 million people and is the 3rd largest nation on Earth. We do not need more and have plenty of bloodlines to draw from. Ending birthright citizenship would apply going forward. It wouldn't impact current citizens at all.

We should impose common sense reform like simply requiring one parent be a citizen for a child to obtain citizenship. This is exactly what so many other countries do. It closes huge security holes that could be exploited too.

Yes we do need more. The only reason our population is not declining is because we have strong immigration. Without our immigration we'd be struggling with the same demographic issues countries in Asia are dealing with because they are so strict about immigration.

I don't disagree with your last point though. I think that's a totally fair requirement.

No we would not be struggling more or suffering like whatever Asian countries you think are actually suffering right now.
Dont make that up.

Unskilled, illiterate, uneducated Illegal immigrants are net negative. They are not some magic growth engine because they can do manual labor like dishes washing or cutting blades of grass. Those cash pay contractor jobs aren’t driving GDP. Maybe if they manage to become skilled home builders but even those are being replaced by mini factories that do walls, etc

I didn't make anything up. It's a well documented issue that is very much beginning to affect their economies. It's why they too are looking for ways to force young women to have more babies. The answer is never "let's make it easier to raise a family in this country," instead it's always "what rights can we strip women of so they won't have a choice to produce more wage slaves for us."

The US isn't having nearly as bad a time as many Asian countries because we have lots of immigration. Without it, our population would be in decline. I know your type don't like facts, but this is easily verifiable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In an age when traveling to/from the United States was a major ordeal and impediment to abuse, perhaps birthright citizenship made sense.

The majority of the country does not believe that hopping on a flight from Beijing to Los Angeles, or driving across the border, while pregnant so you can get automatic "birthright" citizenship for your child, is a rational policy.

Citizenship bestows privileged and why should they be given to just anyone whose parents just show up here to give birth?

Let’s flip it.

Given the lack of borders, processes and enforcement of the immigration laws, coupled with the hospitality and freebies of free ER care, schooling, NGo donated food & clothes, and anchor baby welfare benefits….

…. WHY WOULDN’T YOU ILLEGALLY COME HERE? and have a bunch of kids in order to stay indefinitely

Nothing is stopping you, in fact everything is encouraging you. Silence signals agreement.

Why wouldn’t a developing country person traipse through Central America or fly to Mexico City and sneak in or do the loony 5 year catch & release phony asylum play?

Or always birth babies here for the call option of using the anchor baby for America’s education, military, welfare systems, and protection? The kid can show up with anyone to any American embassy in the world and get help.

Why wouldn’t you illegally come here?

Plus instead of $2/hour in Honduras, you can make $8/hour cash! Wow!

I don't personally blame any foreign citizen who came here unlawfully -- we're the stupid ones who've created this mess. But nonetheless, they are foreign citizens and they will need to return to their home countries.

We did it on purpose. The exploited underclass of people created by illegal immigration is the engine that powers our economy. Send them all home, entire industries would collapse. Prices would skyrocket. Neither party is serious about fixing immigration because their corporate donors do not want them to. When will people wake up?

Want to stop them from coming? Go after the people who exploit/employ them under the table. Remove the incentives to come here, and they'll stop coming. But we're not going to do that because we benefit from them being here, just as much as we benefit from keeping them on the edges of society where they can be easily exploited for under the table wages Americans would never accept.

No one wants to talk about how expensive their produce would get, or how expensive food service would get, or who would clean their houses or watch their babies or cut their grass for cheap if we cut off illegal immigration. They just want to hate these people who have done the best they can to survive a shitty lot in life.

You nail this issue. And I appreciate the fact that you point out that these illegal immigrants are exploited because they absolutely are. It’s underground slave labor for cheap and actually disgusting. The fact that Democrats claim we need this abusive slave labor system where they also mooch off the American tax payer is vile.

That said, the new arrivals don’t belong here and need to go home. The knew immigrants taking over Manhattan and overwhelmingly destroying small towns they are flown into in the middle of the nightacross America, get them ALL out of here. These young men ,many of them criminals , need to go home.

More established contributing immigrants need a solid pathway to citizenship so they can fully acclimate to society and quit living underground in the shadows. They deserve dignity. There are more than enough established illegal immigrants to keep industries afloat during the border sealing transition. Meanwhile we clamp down on new the new agggrssive freelloaders of the past five years and fly them out on day one. No more catch and release. Catch and immediately deport is the only way forward.

[Anonymous]

Birthright citizenship for kids whose parents are here legally. I've heard of wealthy who come here only to give birth and get babies citizenship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European countries have histories of bloodlines, people who have lived in an area for a long time, have a shared culture, shared history, some shared DNA and have a similar look/features.

Countries in the western hemisphere were formed by immigration, by people moving to those countries. The United States does not have a long history of people who have lived in an area for a long time, with shared culture, shared history, shared DNA, similar look, etc. What we have is a shared culture that we all create, that is built upon chosen unity.

If we were to abolish birthright citizenship and switch to jus sanguinis, I assume that those of us who are currently citizens would be grandfathered in? Where would the cutoff be? People who have bloodlines as of 2024? Or were you thinking of something else?

The US has over 345 million people and is the 3rd largest nation on Earth. We do not need more and have plenty of bloodlines to draw from. Ending birthright citizenship would apply going forward. It wouldn't impact current citizens at all.

We should impose common sense reform like simply requiring one parent be a citizen for a child to obtain citizenship. This is exactly what so many other countries do. It closes huge security holes that could be exploited too.

Yes we do need more. The only reason our population is not declining is because we have strong immigration. Without our immigration we'd be struggling with the same demographic issues countries in Asia are dealing with because they are so strict about immigration.

I don't disagree with your last point though. I think that's a totally fair requirement.

No we would not be struggling more or suffering like whatever Asian countries you think are actually suffering right now.
Dont make that up.

Unskilled, illiterate, uneducated Illegal immigrants are net negative. They are not some magic growth engine because they can do manual labor like dishes washing or cutting blades of grass. Those cash pay contractor jobs aren’t driving GDP. Maybe if they manage to become skilled home builders but even those are being replaced by mini factories that do walls, etc

Agree with all of this.

Also the Asian countries may have a population problem but you know what they also don’t have? Crime, trash in their streets, broken communities, lack of national identity, a welfare state.

It’s a fair trade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Birthright citizenship for kids whose parents are here legally. I've heard of wealthy who come here only to give birth and get babies citizenship.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you a Native American, OP?

Native Americans got conquered and lost. Just like all for the Native Indians in South and Central, America, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. History is written and countries are formed by the winners. Sorry you can't cope with the fact that many countries on Earth are founded on land once held by considered individuals. World history is what it is.

How is it "conquering" someone for the United States government to sit down, government-to-government, negotiate a written treaty, have that treaty ratified by a Senate vote, signed by the President, and then violate it to this day. That's not...conquering a people....that's just violating an international treaty.

If we agree in writing that "the United States cedes land between these boundaries to this tribal nation" and then later we decide we need to divide that same land into 40-acre parcels to give away for free to white immigrants (whose descendants will later claim they "never got any help from the government"), how is that "conquering" someone? Isn't it just a land grab?

Not to mention, since the US we live in today is the same US that signed the treaties in the 19th century, we (you and I) are responsible for them now. I'm not saying we should feel guilty, I'm saying we are legally responsible since we are citizens, not subjects, of a government of, by, and for the people.

[Anonymous]

WSJ today: Smugglers urge Migrants to Rush to U.S. before Trump takes Power


In final tribute to Biden, Harris and the Illegal immigrant loving Dems.

Buckle up, caravans from all major cities in South America and Central America just departed.

No need to bring any paperwork or items, just a small bag and your phone/charger. Bring a kid accelerates the border crossing and center wait as well. Have a name, birthday and gang story ready.

Non profits along the way and the final detention center will set you up thereafter. Have a distant “cousin’s” name, number and address for the USA Catch & Release bus ride.

Hurry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European countries have histories of bloodlines, people who have lived in an area for a long time, have a shared culture, shared history, some shared DNA and have a similar look/features.

Countries in the western hemisphere were formed by immigration, by people moving to those countries. The United States does not have a long history of people who have lived in an area for a long time, with shared culture, shared history, shared DNA, similar look, etc. What we have is a shared culture that we all create, that is built upon chosen unity.

If we were to abolish birthright citizenship and switch to jus sanguinis, I assume that those of us who are currently citizens would be grandfathered in? Where would the cutoff be? People who have bloodlines as of 2024? Or were you thinking of something else?

The US has over 345 million people and is the 3rd largest nation on Earth. We do not need more and have plenty of bloodlines to draw from. Ending birthright citizenship would apply going forward. It wouldn't impact current citizens at all.

We should impose common sense reform like simply requiring one parent be a citizen for a child to obtain citizenship. This is exactly what so many other countries do. It closes huge security holes that could be exploited too.

Yes we do need more. The only reason our population is not declining is because we have strong immigration. Without our immigration we'd be struggling with the same demographic issues countries in Asia are dealing with because they are so strict about immigration.

I don't disagree with your last point though. I think that's a totally fair requirement.

No we would not be struggling more or suffering like whatever Asian countries you think are actually suffering right now.
Dont make that up.

Unskilled, illiterate, uneducated Illegal immigrants are net negative. They are not some magic growth engine because they can do manual labor like dishes washing or cutting blades of grass. Those cash pay contractor jobs aren’t driving GDP. Maybe if they manage to become skilled home builders but even those are being replaced by mini factories that do walls, etc

Agree with all of this.

Also the Asian countries may have a population problem but you know what they also don’t have? Crime, trash in their streets, broken communities, lack of national identity, a welfare state.

It’s a fair trade.

There’s also zero enabling of illiterate people with Dial 1 for Spanish and multiple sheets of instructions. No CASA de Maryland in China or Canada either

Japan has visa rules (tourist, student, work, cultural, temp worker) and it enforces them. Unlike USA.

Same as China, Germany, Uk, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WSJ today: Smugglers urge Migrants to Rush to U.S. before Trump takes Power


In final tribute to Biden, Harris and the Illegal immigrant loving Dems.

Buckle up, caravans from all major cities in South America and Central America just departed.

No need to bring any paperwork or items, just a small bag and your phone/charger. Bring a kid accelerates the border crossing and center wait as well. Have a name, birthday and gang story ready.

Non profits along the way and the final detention center will set you up thereafter. Have a distant “cousin’s” name, number and address for the USA Catch & Release bus ride.

Hurry.

Maybe the republicans should have passed the immigration bill instead of tanking it at Trumps direction. FAFO. whomp whomp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In an age when traveling to/from the United States was a major ordeal and impediment to abuse, perhaps birthright citizenship made sense.

The majority of the country does not believe that hopping on a flight from Beijing to Los Angeles, or driving across the border, while pregnant so you can get automatic "birthright" citizenship for your child, is a rational policy.

Citizenship bestows privileged and why should they be given to just anyone whose parents just show up here to give birth?

Let’s flip it.

Given the lack of borders, processes and enforcement of the immigration laws, coupled with the hospitality and freebies of free ER care, schooling, NGo donated food & clothes, and anchor baby welfare benefits….

…. WHY WOULDN’T YOU ILLEGALLY COME HERE? and have a bunch of kids in order to stay indefinitely

Nothing is stopping you, in fact everything is encouraging you. Silence signals agreement.

Why wouldn’t a developing country person traipse through Central America or fly to Mexico City and sneak in or do the loony 5 year catch & release phony asylum play?

Or always birth babies here for the call option of using the anchor baby for America’s education, military, welfare systems, and protection? The kid can show up with anyone to any American embassy in the world and get help.

Why wouldn’t you illegally come here?

Plus instead of $2/hour in Honduras, you can make $8/hour cash! Wow!

I don't personally blame any foreign citizen who came here unlawfully -- we're the stupid ones who've created this mess. But nonetheless, they are foreign citizens and they will need to return to their home countries.

We did it on purpose. The exploited underclass of people created by illegal immigration is the engine that powers our economy. Send them all home, entire industries would collapse. Prices would skyrocket. Neither party is serious about fixing immigration because their corporate donors do not want them to. When will people wake up?

Want to stop them from coming? Go after the people who exploit/employ them under the table. Remove the incentives to come here, and they'll stop coming. But we're not going to do that because we benefit from them being here, just as much as we benefit from keeping them on the edges of society where they can be easily exploited for under the table wages Americans would never accept.

No one wants to talk about how expensive their produce would get, or how expensive food service would get, or who would clean their houses or watch their babies or cut their grass for cheap if we cut off illegal immigration. They just want to hate these people who have done the best they can to survive a shitty lot in life.

Sorry but many of them do NOT have jobs nor even cash.

They stuff 20 people into a rental unit or home, the women have kid after kid, they claim anchor baby benefits and then try to get unskilled black market jobs yet have no speaking or real skills.

They drive old cars that can’t pass emissions tests and are never insured.

Easily half of them just leech off donations and welfare indefinitely, and/or turn to a life of immigrant on immigrant crime and extortion. Or join more formal gangs.

Wake up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ today: Smugglers urge Migrants to Rush to U.S. before Trump takes Power


In final tribute to Biden, Harris and the Illegal immigrant loving Dems.

Buckle up, caravans from all major cities in South America and Central America just departed.

No need to bring any paperwork or items, just a small bag and your phone/charger. Bring a kid accelerates the border crossing and center wait as well. Have a name, birthday and gang story ready.

Non profits along the way and the final detention center will set you up thereafter. Have a distant “cousin’s” name, number and address for the USA Catch & Release bus ride.

Hurry.

Maybe the republicans should have passed the immigration bill instead of tanking it at Trumps direction. FAFO. whomp whomp.

What other BS was in that 700+ page bill again??

Pass it on a standalone basis. Full stop.

Let the citizens see who voted which way then

Or is that political suicide for our petty elected officials on both sides?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WSJ today: Smugglers urge Migrants to Rush to U.S. before Trump takes Power


In final tribute to Biden, Harris and the Illegal immigrant loving Dems.

Buckle up, caravans from all major cities in South America and Central America just departed.

No need to bring any paperwork or items, just a small bag and your phone/charger. Bring a kid accelerates the border crossing and center wait as well. Have a name, birthday and gang story ready.

Non profits along the way and the final detention center will set you up thereafter. Have a distant “cousin’s” name, number and address for the USA Catch & Release bus ride.

Hurry.

Ride or die!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When virtually every other sane first world country doesn't have it?

For starters, Spain, the UK, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, France, Greece, Australia, Japan, Singapore, China, Colombia, nor the Czech Republic and any of the many other countries liberals say they're going to move to do not have birth right citizenship.

What Trump is proposing isn't extreme at all, so why is there resistance to enacting common sense reform?

It's also funny too, because as these elections showed, many coming over the border who eventually establish themselves aren't even Democratic voters either, so the Dems may actually seriously want to rethink they're immigration and citizenship policies before they blindly stand up for making it extremely easy for letting in millions of super catholic people who are now showing to be socially conservative and supporters of traditional family values.

There was a time when the 14th amendment served a purpose, but it is the year 2024. Birthright citizenship is now much more of a security liability than anything.

Why shouldn't we end it when most of the countries liberals espouse and hold up as role models don't even have it?

Where are any links to what Trump is saying or wants to do with America’s archaic Citizenship by Birth?

Love to read about it and hope it gets abolished soon. I definitely support that.

[Anonymous]

If the birthright babies were white nobody would be whining about them.
But they should want Asian and South Asian brbs because they will work hard, get into colleges, be our bosses.
The brush no one wants are doing jobs no "natural born americun" wants. You want to have your kids working gutting chickens, cutting up beef, milking cows, curring my laen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ today: Smugglers urge Migrants to Rush to U.S. before Trump takes Power


In final tribute to Biden, Harris and the Illegal immigrant loving Dems.

Buckle up, caravans from all major cities in South America and Central America just departed.

No need to bring any paperwork or items, just a small bag and your phone/charger. Bring a kid accelerates the border crossing and center wait as well. Have a name, birthday and gang story ready.

Non profits along the way and the final detention center will set you up thereafter. Have a distant “cousin’s” name, number and address for the USA Catch & Release bus ride.

Hurry.

Ride or die!

lol not lol

That was a read article. With real interviews in the triangle