NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Maybe “black women” have complex thoughts and don’t universally believe that skin color should be the determining factor for making decisions?

So many white people just think minorities can be pandered to through superficial gestures.

It’s low key racism.

Boy, they sure hated Kamala last time. Black women hate representation, everyone does. There was literally zero excitement around Harris.

Her former staff who were fired or quit will set the record straight on how wonderful she is.

[Anonymous]

If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

[Anonymous]

The Republicans are absolutely wilding with projection on this thread, wow!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Maybe “black women” have complex thoughts and don’t universally believe that skin color should be the determining factor for making decisions?

So many white people just think minorities can be pandered to through superficial gestures.

It’s low key racism.

Boy, they sure hated Kamala last time. Black women hate representation, everyone does. There was literally zero excitement around Harris.

Her former staff who were fired or quit will set the record straight on how wonderful she is.

Do you know how many people quit on Trump?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Well let them see what DNC really think of them when they will push Kamala out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

Whitmer and Newsom have already declined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Republicans are absolutely wilding with projection on this thread, wow!

If you think you have a solid ticket with say, Harris and Buttigieg then by all means, go for it.

If you want to get an idea of how the other side of the aisle is, so you can prepare accordingly, I suggest you listen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it’s a choice between Joe Biden in his current state or a Harris / Whitmer or Harris / Newsom ticket the Dems should just stick with Biden.

You all do know the reason the Dems were able to win back states like Michigan and Wisconsin was because they nominated an old conservative white guy named “Scranton Joe” right? If you think two California elitists are going to win over Midwest Union voters, or that a Harris / Whitmer ticket is going to help the Dems slide with Hispanic and Black men (let’s not even talk about white men) you are delusional.

There's also the fact that the GOP there has gone nuts. In many places, the GOP has gone nuts. In the last election, people weren't voting for Biden or "Scranton Joe" or a conservative white guy. They were voting against Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans are absolutely wilding with projection on this thread, wow!

If you think you have a solid ticket with say, Harris and Buttigieg then by all means, go for it.

If you want to get an idea of how the other side of the aisle is, so you can prepare accordingly, I suggest you listen.

It's the Republicans who are pushing Buttigieg. You ... knew that, didn't you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

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jsteele wrote:Of equal importance, if not more so, is what will happen with the Biden/Harris campaign funds. They have something like $90 million. My understanding is that only Harris can access it if Biden drops out. If that is true, she is really the only option to replace him.

Do you really think she can win?

Yes, and fairly easily.

Jeff, normally I agree with your take and find you very reasonable. But this response baffles me. Why do you think Kamala can easily win? She did poorly in the primary and dropped out early. The unfair misogyny that plagued Hilary hasn’t disappeared. Polls show her faring not much better than Biden. To be fair, they don’t show any Democrat with much of an edge, but lack of name recognition is a factor for the less known Dems. Everyone knows who Kamala is.

My theory is that Biden actually has a great legislative record. My single complaint is his handling of the Israel-Gaza war. The economy is in pretty good shape with high employment, the stock market hitting record highs, and inflation under control. If Biden were 20 years younger, this election wouldn't even be close. But, Biden is not 20 years younger. However, Kamala Harris is. She can take credit for many of Biden's achievements because she was part of the team and she can promise to keep the same course. She will be a very credible messenger on women's health issues and I think she will inspire young people.

I don't believe Hillary Clinton lost because of misogyny, She lost because she ran a poor campaign and because of James Comey's attempting to act politically and screwing it up royally.

In short, Harris just has to campaign on a message to continue the path that has dug the U.S. out of the hole Trump put us in, the path that has made our economy the envy of the world, and promise to protect reproductive rights. And then show energy. She will out hustle Trump and can campaign everywhere. Her historic candidacy will be inspiring and create a lot of excitement.

You think her hypothetical VP pick matters (I think it does)? If yes, who’s your prediction?

I expect that the VP choice will be a White male former or current governor. I don't think it matters which one.

Generic white male governor as VP didn’t work out for Hilary. I am on board with other posters who want a daring, exciting VP pick.

I agree. This is a Hail Mary situation. Go for broke. The only thing that beats Trump this time is enthusiasm, i.e. turnout.

We still have time to energize the vote. For once, I hope the Democrats actually aim for the bleachers rather than bunting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

Maybe “black women” have complex thoughts and don’t universally believe that skin color should be the determining factor for making decisions?

So many white people just think minorities can be pandered to through superficial gestures.

It’s low key racism.

Boy, they sure hated Kamala last time. Black women hate representation, everyone does. There was literally zero excitement around Harris.

Her former staff who were fired or quit will set the record straight on how wonderful she is.

Someone should ask Trump’s former VP and cabinet members to set his record straight too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Republicans are absolutely wilding with projection on this thread, wow!

If you think you have a solid ticket with say, Harris and Buttigieg then by all means, go for it.

If you want to get an idea of how the other side of the aisle is, so you can prepare accordingly, I suggest you listen.

It's the Republicans who are pushing Buttigieg. You ... knew that, didn't you?

Fascinating that you know the political leanings of every poster here! You are a mind reader!

[Anonymous]

Was it republicans pushing the disaster of Liz Cheney too?