Pritzker urges Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to stop migrant dropoffs amid winter storm: ‘I plead with you for mercy’

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this is the same governor who a little over two years ago declared Illinois to be the most welcoming state to immigrants! This is the official Illinois press release from then;

Gov. Pritzker Signs Legislation Further Establishing Illinois as the Most Welcoming State in the Nation
Press Release - Monday, August 02, 2021

Issues Executive Order Establishing the Welcoming Illinois Office

Four New Bills Further Expand Protections for Immigrant and Refugee Communities

AURORA - Governor JB Pritzker today signed HB 121, SB 667, SB 1596 and SB 2665 into law, legislation expanding protections for immigrant and refugee communities and further establishing Illinois as the most welcoming state in the nation. The new laws strengthen the TRUST Act and make Illinois the second state in the nation to require local officials to end partnerships with ICE, address hate crimes against immigrant communities, expand workplace protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients, and create the Illinois Immigration Impact Task Force to ensure state programs and policies best serve immigrant residents.

Illinois is still a welcoming state, but it doesn't want migrants from Latin America to come to freezing Chicago in the winter where they could die because they don't have warm clothing, and Chicago doesn't have warm places for them to sleep.

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Anonymous wrote:If you recall, Kamala even had a kids coloring book in the “welcome packets” for illegals

You are sick.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this is the same governor who a little over two years ago declared Illinois to be the most welcoming state to immigrants! This is the official Illinois press release from then;

Gov. Pritzker Signs Legislation Further Establishing Illinois as the Most Welcoming State in the Nation
Press Release - Monday, August 02, 2021

Issues Executive Order Establishing the Welcoming Illinois Office

Four New Bills Further Expand Protections for Immigrant and Refugee Communities

AURORA - Governor JB Pritzker today signed HB 121, SB 667, SB 1596 and SB 2665 into law, legislation expanding protections for immigrant and refugee communities and further establishing Illinois as the most welcoming state in the nation. The new laws strengthen the TRUST Act and make Illinois the second state in the nation to require local officials to end partnerships with ICE, address hate crimes against immigrant communities, expand workplace protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients, and create the Illinois Immigration Impact Task Force to ensure state programs and policies best serve immigrant residents.

Illinois is still a welcoming state, but it doesn't want migrants from Latin America to come to freezing Chicago in the winter where they could die because they don't have warm clothing, and Chicago doesn't have warm places for them to sleep.

Where do the good people of Illinois think the migrants should go? Just stay in Texas and southern states?

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Anonymous wrote:Another point: Why WOULDN'T they come? They arrive in America, and they're met with the welcome mat. You may not be pleased to see them arrive, but nevertheless they are getting the royal treatment.

They're given free food, medical care, clothing, shelter once it's arranged, and so on.

These illegal aliens are given more than what Americans are getting from their government. Tax payers themselves, the children and grandchildren of tax paying Americans, they don't have free food, free medical care, free clothing, or free shelter. They're working two and three jobs just to pay for their food, clothing and shelter. They're doing without medical care because they can't afford it.

No, they aren't given free everything. But it's people like you who keep suggesting that, which is then used as a way to keep encouraging more to come.

DP. What world are you living in? Serious question. Because if you were actually living in the U.S., you'd know that they are indeed given free everything - free shelter, free medical care, free food, free education. Why are you lying?

No, they aren't. Undocumented migrants pay their own rents, pay for their own food, and get billed for medical treatment. And EVERYONE gets free public school, you aren't expected to pay for that, either. But a big chunk of school funding comes out of local property taxes, which undocumented migrants pay via their rents, because any landlord with a clue bakes that into the cost buildup for setting the rent and pays it out of rental income. Note also that undocumented migrants are not eligible for any federal benefits. The only place where taxpayers end up on the hook is with people with asylum-seeker status, which is different from being an illegal alien. We have to house and feed them because the law says so. Republican HR 2 doesn't actually change that. And we can't just send them back because the law says we can't until they have a hearing to determine whether they can be deported or whether they are adjudicated as asylees. And there is a massive backlog because Republicans won't agree to add more judges and officials to speed up the hearings. HR 2 doesn't address that either. So what world are you living in, that you are completely oblivious to so many facts of law and reality?

Taxpayers pay for public education and other social services, which includes Special Education. It's a huge cost when you includevthe children of all those who are here illegally.

ESL classes are funded by taxpayers too and boy, these kids will need a lot of them.

PP here. +1. Those of us who support these children by working in public schools are fully aware of the provided services.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

You really do think it's ok for the border states to have to CONTINUE shouldering this enormous burden on their own, don't you? Of course you do.
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I do not think they should have to continue shouldering this enormous burden.

I think there is a better way to share that burden than dumping people.

In other words, we agree on the problem. We do not agree on the solution.

Correct. I think the solution is securing the border to stop the masses of illegal immigrants from entering the U.S. Apparently, the only way to get the attention of Democrats is to literally bring the crisis to them and make it even a fraction as uncomfortable as it is in Texas. Perhaps then, Democrats will see their way clear to actually DOING something about it.

Simple people (you) want simple solutions to complex problems (immigration).

This problem (too many immigrants at the US Southern Border) has so many causes, including US sanctions that have devastated governments in Latin America. When people are starving or facing certain death in their country, they will do ANYTHING to survive.
The US needs to address the problem at its root: South and Central America, from whence these migrants come. If the US worked a little harder to address economic problems in the countries like Venezuela where many of the migrants at the US border originate, the migrant problem would lessen. Further, the GOP needs to stop blocking immigration reform. There are thousands of jobs in the US currently filled by immigrants without documentation, and many more low-paid jobs go unfilled because employers can't find Americans to take them. The US needs to allow more workers into this country to work legally. It needs to provide a path to citizenship to children who came here without documentation through no fault of their own. It needs to completely change the immigration laws, hire more judges and create more immigration courts, and streamline the immigration process, which is as convoluted and crazy as the tax code, even moreso.
Shutting the border is an impossible task. You can't close a gigantic border, nor can you "build a wall" which is the dumbest idea ever, but it appeals to the suckers who want simple solutions to complex problems.
There is much more to be done to address the immigration problem, but letting starving, desperate migrants build up at the southern border won't solve the problem. Many things must be done, starting with updating the immigration laws to reflect the realities of 2024, and sending economic aid to South and Central American countries whose people are starving.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

You really do think it's ok for the border states to have to CONTINUE shouldering this enormous burden on their own, don't you? Of course you do.
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I do not think they should have to continue shouldering this enormous burden.

I think there is a better way to share that burden than dumping people.

In other words, we agree on the problem. We do not agree on the solution.

Correct. I think the solution is securing the border to stop the masses of illegal immigrants from entering the U.S. Apparently, the only way to get the attention of Democrats is to literally bring the crisis to them and make it even a fraction as uncomfortable as it is in Texas. Perhaps then, Democrats will see their way clear to actually DOING something about it.

Simple people (you) want simple solutions to complex problems (immigration).

This problem (too many immigrants at the US Southern Border) has so many causes, including US sanctions that have devastated governments in Latin America. When people are starving or facing certain death in their country, they will do ANYTHING to survive.
The US needs to address the problem at its root: South and Central America, from whence these migrants come. If the US worked a little harder to address economic problems in the countries like Venezuela where many of the migrants at the US border originate, the migrant problem would lessen. Further, the GOP needs to stop blocking immigration reform. There are thousands of jobs in the US currently filled by immigrants without documentation, and many more low-paid jobs go unfilled because employers can't find Americans to take them. The US needs to allow more workers into this country to work legally. It needs to provide a path to citizenship to children who came here without documentation through no fault of their own. It needs to completely change the immigration laws, hire more judges and create more immigration courts, and streamline the immigration process, which is as convoluted and crazy as the tax code, even moreso.
Shutting the border is an impossible task. You can't close a gigantic border, nor can you "build a wall" which is the dumbest idea ever, but it appeals to the suckers who want simple solutions to complex problems.
There is much more to be done to address the immigration problem, but letting starving, desperate migrants build up at the southern border won't solve the problem. Many things must be done, starting with updating the immigration laws to reflect the realities of 2024, and sending economic aid to South and Central American countries whose people are starving.

How about we stop letting them in for now and then we’ll work on all of that, ok?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

LOL! you'd turn your back on a fellow American in a heartbeat I bet ya.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

LOL! you'd turn your back on a fellow American in a heartbeat I bet ya.

Don't project your own sociopathic behavior on others.

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Anonymous wrote:It's entirely Joe Biden's fault and every single one of you who voted for Biden enabled this.

I watched, just after Biden took office, the first convoy of 100k people approach the border. Even the news realized something was up. The whole world was watching. Biden said let them in. The world responded. What did you expect?

Yep. That's right. Democrats - this is entirely your problem and entirely your fault.

So now I hear Democrats whining about it. Wow.

They are fine with it until it impacts them. Now that they have to actually put their money where their mouth is, it’s a big problem. And they blame Texas for the problem.

Biden is at fault.

You people are delusional if you place the fault of a complex issue on one man. Completely senseless morons.

DP. I refer you to 23:22. It's clear who the delusional, senseless moron is ^^.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

Sign what legislation? Did you not have any civics classes? Do you not know how a bill becomes law? The President does not make laws, that's the job of Congress. There's nothing for Biden to sign because Congress hasn't sent him anything to sign.

True - the bill hasn't made it out of the Senate for Biden to sign because DEMOCRATS refuse to pass it. However, Biden COULD sign an Executive Order at any time to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. But of course, he won't.

Democrats won't sign it because it has major flaws, that's already been discussed several times in this thread. And no, Biden cannot craft law out of thin air. That's not how Executive Orders work, they have to have some basis and grounding in EXISTING law.

Of course he can, you dope. Biden has signed more EOs than any other president except FDR - he can certainly sign one now regarding border control.

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Anonymous wrote:Another point: Why WOULDN'T they come? They arrive in America, and they're met with the welcome mat. You may not be pleased to see them arrive, but nevertheless they are getting the royal treatment.

They're given free food, medical care, clothing, shelter once it's arranged, and so on.

These illegal aliens are given more than what Americans are getting from their government. Tax payers themselves, the children and grandchildren of tax paying Americans, they don't have free food, free medical care, free clothing, or free shelter. They're working two and three jobs just to pay for their food, clothing and shelter. They're doing without medical care because they can't afford it.

No, they aren't given free everything. But it's people like you who keep suggesting that, which is then used as a way to keep encouraging more to come.

DP. What world are you living in? Serious question. Because if you were actually living in the U.S., you'd know that they are indeed given free everything - free shelter, free medical care, free food, free education. Why are you lying?

No, they aren't. Undocumented migrants pay their own rents, pay for their own food, and get billed for medical treatment. And EVERYONE gets free public school, you aren't expected to pay for that, either. But a big chunk of school funding comes out of local property taxes, which undocumented migrants pay via their rents, because any landlord with a clue bakes that into the cost buildup for setting the rent and pays it out of rental income. Note also that undocumented migrants are not eligible for any federal benefits. The only place where taxpayers end up on the hook is with people with asylum-seeker status, which is different from being an illegal alien. We have to house and feed them because the law says so. Republican HR 2 doesn't actually change that. And we can't just send them back because the law says we can't until they have a hearing to determine whether they can be deported or whether they are adjudicated as asylees. And there is a massive backlog because Republicans won't agree to add more judges and officials to speed up the hearings. HR 2 doesn't address that either. So what world are you living in, that you are completely oblivious to so many facts of law and reality?

You can't be serious. Illegal immigrants are indeed given food, shelter, clothing, education, and healthcare while in "detention" at the border. Once released into the U.S., they do have to come up with their own rent and food, but there are plenty of nonprofits aiding them with this. As for healthcare - NO illegal immigrants aren't "billed for medical treatment" - what an absolutely ridiculous claim. Even if they were handed a bill, they do not have to pay it. Surely you know this undisputed fact. As for education, of course U.S. citizens are given a free education. Illegal immigrants are NOT U.S. citizens, yet they are still provided with free education - on the taxpayers' dime.

Talk about oblivious - not to mention blatant gaslighting...

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Anonymous wrote:It's entirely Joe Biden's fault and every single one of you who voted for Biden enabled this.

I watched, just after Biden took office, the first convoy of 100k people approach the border. Even the news realized something was up. The whole world was watching. Biden said let them in. The world responded. What did you expect?

Yep. That's right. Democrats - this is entirely your problem and entirely your fault.

So now I hear Democrats whining about it. Wow.

They are fine with it until it impacts them. Now that they have to actually put their money where their mouth is, it’s a big problem. And they blame Texas for the problem.

Biden is at fault.

You people are delusional if you place the fault of a complex issue on one man. Completely senseless morons.

This issue is absolutely the fault of Biden.
He has broken every metric when it comes to illegal immigration - encounters, releases into the US, migrant deaths, illegal drugs found in the US.
And, it began during his campaign when he encouraged migrants to "surge" the border. Then, signing an EO that there would be no deportations in his first 100 days. Then, overturning everything that was working to secure the border.

All of these actions were signals to migrants, and more importantly, the cartels, that he would not take enforcement of our southern border seriously.
The cartels have control of our border. They decide when and where migrants will cross. They take advantage of the chaos they have created to bring in got-aways and illicit drugs and contraband. And, they are making billions because of Biden's fecklessness.

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Amazing that you have the energy to converse with idiot gaslighters.

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Anonymous wrote:Maine is paying rent for migrants for up to 2 years.
NY has spent over $1 billion on housing and feeding migrants and plans to spend $2 billion more.

No, silly! The PP tells us that these illegal immigrants are totally paying their own way!

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Anonymous wrote:We can afford to help people.

Then you write the checks.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this is the same governor who a little over two years ago declared Illinois to be the most welcoming state to immigrants! This is the official Illinois press release from then;

Gov. Pritzker Signs Legislation Further Establishing Illinois as the Most Welcoming State in the Nation
Press Release - Monday, August 02, 2021

Issues Executive Order Establishing the Welcoming Illinois Office

Four New Bills Further Expand Protections for Immigrant and Refugee Communities

AURORA - Governor JB Pritzker today signed HB 121, SB 667, SB 1596 and SB 2665 into law, legislation expanding protections for immigrant and refugee communities and further establishing Illinois as the most welcoming state in the nation. The new laws strengthen the TRUST Act and make Illinois the second state in the nation to require local officials to end partnerships with ICE, address hate crimes against immigrant communities, expand workplace protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) recipients, and create the Illinois Immigration Impact Task Force to ensure state programs and policies best serve immigrant residents.

Illinois is still a welcoming state, but it doesn't want migrants from Latin America to come to freezing Chicago in the winter where they could die because they don't have warm clothing, and Chicago doesn't have warm places for them to sleep.

Texas has many, many more migrants and it is FREEEZING tonight in Texas. Thousands are crossing EVERY DAY in Texas. Where is Texas supposed to put them? The low tonight on the border at Laredo, Texas is 24 degrees! The low in Eagle Pass Texas is 22 degrees. The low in Houston is 23 degrees. The low in Dallas is 16 degrees! How do you not understand it can freeze in Texas too!