The deflated grading is just exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:At the expense of learning? At the expense of being truly prepared for college?

"Fake It Till You Make It" is the norm in our culture now.

Once grade inflation hits the medical schools too, we will all be totally screwed.

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I am more concerned about airline industry. If you don’t a doctor you can get a second opinion. I want the best pilots period. I don’t want to find up in the air that they are great or have issues that the military would figure out before you become a pilot for an airline. Whoever they are wonderful but they need to be top of the tests and would prefer a military background.

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It’s not normal that in this country that being a student has evolved to be this hard to get good grades. It’s ludicrous. Everyone is so stressed. Kids can’t be kids anymore because of all the stupid pressure to perform and too much information overdrive being hurled at them every second. Not to mention the nasty culture they have to now navigate for fear of triggering people or getting canceled. We live in a very sick country.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

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How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

I'm the PP you're responding to. I get that it's hard, but as many people pointed out, this is what you signed up for, and I do hope you can recognize that higher standards benefit your DC in many ways. I pulled my DC out of their previous school in large part due to the grade inflation and weak standards. It was a terrible and frustrating experience because she was learning very little.

Also, you don't have the data to make some of the claims about these other schools. I do wish that schools would be more transparent, though, and I wish more schools would publish their average GPAs.

The problem is you are rationalizing the environment in which you placed our kid. I get that you care about the weak standards and learning very little...but I doubt you would do anything if your current school adopted a more generous grading policy tomorrow.

They don't change one thing about your kid's experience, but simply tell teachers that they will curve their classes such that X% get an A, A-, B+, etc. that lifts the overall GPS of all students.

NOBODY at your school would complain.

I literally just told you that I pulled my kid out of a lax grading environment right? She is also much happier with the greater challenge, so it's not just that we are pushing her into something she doesn't want. Some people actually prefer higher standards and we don't want this option to disappear.

DP. I fall somewhere in the middle of this argument but I think it is sort of strange you want to impose this on your child. I would be thrilled for my child to get easy A’s.

My kid was bored to tears at the previous school and is thriving at the current school which is a supposed "pressure cooker." They are an academic type who loves this kind of challenge. There are SO many options for schools where you can get an easy A. I don't get why people put their kids in places where A's don't come easily, and this is a known fact, and then they complain about it.

Agree

If you don’t want your kid in a super rigorous school, don’t send them to a super rigorous school!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

I'm the PP you're responding to. I get that it's hard, but as many people pointed out, this is what you signed up for, and I do hope you can recognize that higher standards benefit your DC in many ways. I pulled my DC out of their previous school in large part due to the grade inflation and weak standards. It was a terrible and frustrating experience because she was learning very little.

Also, you don't have the data to make some of the claims about these other schools. I do wish that schools would be more transparent, though, and I wish more schools would publish their average GPAs.

The problem is you are rationalizing the environment in which you placed our kid. I get that you care about the weak standards and learning very little...but I doubt you would do anything if your current school adopted a more generous grading policy tomorrow.

They don't change one thing about your kid's experience, but simply tell teachers that they will curve their classes such that X% get an A, A-, B+, etc. that lifts the overall GPS of all students.

NOBODY at your school would complain.

I literally just told you that I pulled my kid out of a lax grading environment right? She is also much happier with the greater challenge, so it's not just that we are pushing her into something she doesn't want. Some people actually prefer higher standards and we don't want this option to disappear.

DP. I fall somewhere in the middle of this argument but I think it is sort of strange you want to impose this on your child. I would be thrilled for my child to get easy A’s.

Amazing. Parents want no standards and for their kids to get the easy way out.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

I'm the PP you're responding to. I get that it's hard, but as many people pointed out, this is what you signed up for, and I do hope you can recognize that higher standards benefit your DC in many ways. I pulled my DC out of their previous school in large part due to the grade inflation and weak standards. It was a terrible and frustrating experience because she was learning very little.

Also, you don't have the data to make some of the claims about these other schools. I do wish that schools would be more transparent, though, and I wish more schools would publish their average GPAs.

The problem is you are rationalizing the environment in which you placed our kid. I get that you care about the weak standards and learning very little...but I doubt you would do anything if your current school adopted a more generous grading policy tomorrow.

They don't change one thing about your kid's experience, but simply tell teachers that they will curve their classes such that X% get an A, A-, B+, etc. that lifts the overall GPS of all students.

NOBODY at your school would complain.

I literally just told you that I pulled my kid out of a lax grading environment right? She is also much happier with the greater challenge, so it's not just that we are pushing her into something she doesn't want. Some people actually prefer higher standards and we don't want this option to disappear.

DP. I fall somewhere in the middle of this argument but I think it is sort of strange you want to impose this on your child. I would be thrilled for my child to get easy A’s.

My kid was bored to tears at the previous school and is thriving at the current school which is a supposed "pressure cooker." They are an academic type who loves this kind of challenge. There are SO many options for schools where you can get an easy A. I don't get why people put their kids in places where A's don't come easily, and this is a known fact, and then they complain about it.

Agree

If you don’t want your kid in a super rigorous school, don’t send them to a super rigorous school!

Grading and rigor are not the same. Not sure why anyone is equating the two. I assume Trinity, Horace Mann, Harvard Westlake, etc. are rigorous schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

Where is the notion that DMV publics inflate like mad coming from? If you look at JR's school profile, only 25 kids out of nearly 500 have a perfect 4.0 unweighted. About a 100 kids have GPAs from 3.5-3.9. That's not much of grade inflation. Also, math education can't be all that rigorous in the area privates. Last year, only a handful of kids from all the big 3 qualified for AIME and one made USA(J)MO.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

I'm the PP you're responding to. I get that it's hard, but as many people pointed out, this is what you signed up for, and I do hope you can recognize that higher standards benefit your DC in many ways. I pulled my DC out of their previous school in large part due to the grade inflation and weak standards. It was a terrible and frustrating experience because she was learning very little.

Also, you don't have the data to make some of the claims about these other schools. I do wish that schools would be more transparent, though, and I wish more schools would publish their average GPAs.

The problem is you are rationalizing the environment in which you placed our kid. I get that you care about the weak standards and learning very little...but I doubt you would do anything if your current school adopted a more generous grading policy tomorrow.

They don't change one thing about your kid's experience, but simply tell teachers that they will curve their classes such that X% get an A, A-, B+, etc. that lifts the overall GPS of all students.

NOBODY at your school would complain.

I literally just told you that I pulled my kid out of a lax grading environment right? She is also much happier with the greater challenge, so it's not just that we are pushing her into something she doesn't want. Some people actually prefer higher standards and we don't want this option to disappear.

DP. I fall somewhere in the middle of this argument but I think it is sort of strange you want to impose this on your child. I would be thrilled for my child to get easy A’s.

My kid was bored to tears at the previous school and is thriving at the current school which is a supposed "pressure cooker." They are an academic type who loves this kind of challenge. There are SO many options for schools where you can get an easy A. I don't get why people put their kids in places where A's don't come easily, and this is a known fact, and then they complain about it.

Agree

If you don’t want your kid in a super rigorous school, don’t send them to a super rigorous school!

Grading and rigor are not the same. Not sure why anyone is equating the two. I assume Trinity, Horace Mann, Harvard Westlake, etc. are rigorous schools.

I would not mention Harvard Westlake in any conversation these days. They have sadly had 3 suicides within the past year there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not normal that in this country that being a student has evolved to be this hard to get good grades. It’s ludicrous. Everyone is so stressed. Kids can’t be kids anymore because of all the stupid pressure to perform and too much information overdrive being hurled at them every second. Not to mention the nasty culture they have to now navigate for fear of triggering people or getting canceled. We live in a very sick country.

The pressure is MUCH hire in Asia. Makes this look like peanuts. You end up with extremes. People who cheat and people who excel end up at the top.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

Where is the notion that DMV publics inflate like mad coming from? If you look at JR's school profile, only 25 kids out of nearly 500 have a perfect 4.0 unweighted. About a 100 kids have GPAs from 3.5-3.9. That's not much of grade inflation. Also, math education can't be all that rigorous in the area privates. Last year, only a handful of kids from all the big 3 qualified for AIME and one made USA(J)MO.

Interesting. Are you sure? I expected a much higher number of students at Jackson Reed would have perfect GPAs. Only 25 seems surprisingly low

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the notion that DMV publics inflate like mad coming from? If you look at JR's school profile, only 25 kids out of nearly 500 have a perfect 4.0 unweighted.

When we attended MCPS back in the day, that number was usually in the single digits at most.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

in 20
How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

Where is the notion that DMV publics inflate like mad coming from? If you look at JR's school profile, only 25 kids out of nearly 500 have a perfect 4.0 unweighted. About a 100 kids have GPAs from 3.5-3.9. That's not much of grade inflation. Also, math education can't be all that rigorous in the area privates. Last year, only a handful of kids from all the big 3 qualified for AIME and one made USA(J)MO.

Interesting. Are you sure? I expected a much higher number of students at Jackson Reed would have perfect GPAs. Only 25 seems surprisingly low

Check out their school profile https://jacksonreedhs.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022-23JacksonReedHSprofile9.30.22.pdf. There are about 170 kids in the 3.5-3.99 range but I don't think all are taking a bunch of APs in this lot. So, there may be some inflation at the margins, but it is not that crazy as people seem to think.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

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How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

Where is the notion that DMV publics inflate like mad coming from? If you look at JR's school profile, only 25 kids out of nearly 500 have a perfect 4.0 unweighted. About a 100 kids have GPAs from 3.5-3.9. That's not much of grade inflation. Also, math education can't be all that rigorous in the area privates. Last year, only a handful of kids from all the big 3 qualified for AIME and one made USA(J)MO. [/quote

Frankly students at these math exams are not something that is ever mentioned by the math departments at the Big3. I have STEM kids at two different Big3 schools including one who is head of the math club and I've never heard of AIME.

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Anonymous wrote:My upperclassman is in a class where an essay turned by last week had an average grade of an 82%. This is what I mean by grade deflation.

My kid spent at least 10 hours on this (a one page essay) and received the average (82%).

It's just ridiculous. The school admitted kids who were at the very top of their sending public and private schools, refined them by fire for 2+ years
years (in very difficult humanities and writing classes) and is now continues to say, "oh no, despite your very best effort, most of you can only write at a B- level." I have a different kid in a top public and this would have been a 98% there. The standard at the private is just beyond unreasonable.

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How long your student spends on something is completely irrelevant to the grade as I am sure you can understand. Does any supervisor you have ever had care about how long something took you or the quality of the work?

Whatever. You're being an ass and picking at the semantics of my post.
My reference to time was just to illustrate that my kid worked hard on this. It wasn't something she wrote in 30 minutes at 11pm. She gave best effort and it was very thoughtfully done and over the course of a week. Classmates were the same--they also all spent 5-15 hours on this---also all got Bs or Cs.

There is something messed up when you take kids who are actively trying to do their very best and are super bright and then you grade them to an average of a B-. And as another data point: this kid just got a 790 verbal SAT in October (1570 overall).

Just because some kid has a 790 verbal does not mean they can write beautiful essays or stories. Sorry, but there is usually a lot of room for improvement, even for kids who score 800. I got an 800 on the verbal SAT back in the day and got my writing torn apart in college whenever I took classes outside of my science major at a selective university. I wish my high school teachers had prepared me for the rigors of college level writing, so maybe your DC is lucky. Scoring well on a multiple choice standardized exam does not equal being a good writer. Writing is difficult and most people who want to be good writers need feedback and training.

I get that there is massive grade inflation elsewhere these days, and it's definitely true that any reasonably smart kid could breeze through and get an A at many schools without much effort. However, grade inflation is the PROBLEM, not the solution. This craziness has got to stop.

Ok, but it's hard when your child's school feels like the last holdout in America regarding not inflating grades. The DMV publics inflate like mad, the area Catholics and most of the other privates do as well (Bullis, Landon, Field being prime examples) and even to a lesser extent so do places like Maret and Holton. The NYC privates inflate like crazy as to the Baltimore privates. It was clear from data presented on last year that Harvard-Westlake inflates. I don't know enough about the top NE boarding schools to know how they grade.

There are really very few schools left in America who don't grade to an average of an A (or at least some form of an A).

Where is the notion that DMV publics inflate like mad coming from? If you look at JR's school profile, only 25 kids out of nearly 500 have a perfect 4.0 unweighted. About a 100 kids have GPAs from 3.5-3.9. That's not much of grade inflation. Also, math education can't be all that rigorous in the area privates. Last year, only a handful of kids from all the big 3 qualified for AIME and one made USA(J)MO.

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Anonymous wrote:I get it OP. My DC lived through it too at a big 3 and it was so disheartening to have them work so hard with maximum effort to sometimes receive a B- in a class. I’d like to say it paid off, but not sure all the sleepless nights and lack of work/life balance was worth it. Only thing I learned was to not send younger DC to a big 3.

That happens in classes that you’re weak in. The most effort I ever put into a class was basic algebra in 9th grade. The only time I got after school help, everything I could. I got a C.

Just because you put hours into a class doesn’t mean you’re doing “A” work.