San Francisco is imploding

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Real estate, the last bastion of "this is fine" is now under assault:

Two of the largest hotels are stopping debt payments: https://sfstandard.com/business/real-estate-group-halts-loan-payments-two-san-francisco-hotels/

Downtown buildings selling for less than half their pre-pandemic value: https://www.costar.com/article/1098279790/wells-fargo-lands-buyer-for-san-francisco-office-tower-at-deeply-discounted-price

This is a national trend.

Yeah, Tysons Corner mall is about to close

Well maybe not Tysons, but there are plans underway to redevelop Fair Oaks mall and reduce retail space to 20-25%. Malls have become an outdated concept and will look very different in 20 years. Downtown areas will look different as well in many areas.

https://www.focusonnova.com/fair-oaks-mall-redevelopment/

DP. Big deal—communities have been transforming old indoor malls for years now. That part of Fairfax County is a hellscape. But more parks and a Metro station would help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real estate, the last bastion of "this is fine" is now under assault:

Two of the largest hotels are stopping debt payments: https://sfstandard.com/business/real-estate-group-halts-loan-payments-two-san-francisco-hotels/

Downtown buildings selling for less than half their pre-pandemic value: https://www.costar.com/article/1098279790/wells-fargo-lands-buyer-for-san-francisco-office-tower-at-deeply-discounted-price

This is a national trend.

Yeah, Tysons Corner mall is about to close

Well maybe not Tysons, but there are plans underway to redevelop Fair Oaks mall and reduce retail space to 20-25%. Malls have become an outdated concept and will look very different in 20 years. Downtown areas will look different as well in many areas.

https://www.focusonnova.com/fair-oaks-mall-redevelopment/

The new agenda is tons of condos with retail underneath. Think Merrifield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Ridiculous gas lighting! Please...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real estate, the last bastion of "this is fine" is now under assault:

Two of the largest hotels are stopping debt payments: https://sfstandard.com/business/real-estate-group-halts-loan-payments-two-san-francisco-hotels/

Downtown buildings selling for less than half their pre-pandemic value: https://www.costar.com/article/1098279790/wells-fargo-lands-buyer-for-san-francisco-office-tower-at-deeply-discounted-price

This is a national trend.

Yeah, Tysons Corner mall is about to close

Well maybe not Tysons, but there are plans underway to redevelop Fair Oaks mall and reduce retail space to 20-25%. Malls have become an outdated concept and will look very different in 20 years. Downtown areas will look different as well in many areas.

https://www.focusonnova.com/fair-oaks-mall-redevelopment/

DP. Big deal—communities have been transforming old indoor malls for years now. That part of Fairfax County is a hellscape. But more parks and a Metro station would help.

A "hellscape"? What are you on, PP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

There are parts of DC, I feel safe walking.

There are parts of DC, I do not feel safe walking.

We probably agree, not all of DC is crime-ridden dump, but some parts have more problem that others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

There are parts of DC, I feel safe walking.

There are parts of DC, I do not feel safe walking.

We probably agree, not all of DC is crime-ridden dump, but some parts have more problem that others.

The problem SF has, is that a lot of group A turned into group B in a relatively short time. There also seems to be no sign of the trend stopping. DC people rightly fear that if we adopt SF policies, we'll get SF results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

There are parts of DC, I feel safe walking.

There are parts of DC, I do not feel safe walking.

We probably agree, not all of DC is crime-ridden dump, but some parts have more problem that others.

The problem SF has, is that a lot of group A turned into group B in a relatively short time. There also seems to be no sign of the trend stopping. DC people rightly fear that if we adopt SF policies, we'll get SF results.

But, what is really wrong with unchecked violent crime, human feces everywhere, and unlivable conditions for all?

Don’t you support equality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

DCUM is mostly liberal. Show me an example of conservative media doing this.

[Anonymous]

San Franciso hotels are now starting to pull out of the city due to crime and quality of life issues.

"San Francisco’s once thriving hotel market is suffering its worst stretch in at least 15 years, pummeled by the same forces that have emptied out the city’s office towers and closed many retail stores."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hotel-owners-start-to-write-off-san-francisco-as-business-nosedives-e84c64ef

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

There are parts of DC, I feel safe walking.

There are parts of DC, I do not feel safe walking.

We probably agree, not all of DC is crime-ridden dump, but some parts have more problem that others.

The problem SF has, is that a lot of group A turned into group B in a relatively short time. There also seems to be no sign of the trend stopping. DC people rightly fear that if we adopt SF policies, we'll get SF results.

But, what is really wrong with unchecked violent crime, human feces everywhere, and unlivable conditions for all?

Don’t you support equality?

Good lord. Unlike 99% of the people blathering on here about human feces everywhere, I actually LIVE in SF. And I'm originally from Chicago and spend a lot of time there as well. The media and ignorant people love to go on and on about how both of these cities are hell holes in their entirety. The truth is, as in other cities, most of the problems are confined to a few areas. I moved here from DC in 2020 and live on the border of Russian Hill and Marina. I have a gorgeous view of the Bay, Alcatraz, and the Golden Gate Bridge and I can sit and watch the boats and action on the Bay all day long.

I walk several miles a day in the following areas: embarcadero, North Beach, Nob Hill, Russian Hill, Marina, Pac Hts, Cow Hollow, all the way down to the Presidio among other neighborhoods. And Ft. Mason is in my front yard so we hang out there a lot. We also go down to the areas around Oracle Park, which is full of great restaurants and bars. I have never seen, nor stepped in, human feces. These neighborhoods are clean, safe, vibrant, full of wonderful restaurants, gourmet shops, boutiques, bars, etc. And they are always filled with people.

Most of the hotels and shopping that are closing is in the business district around Union Square. This area has been really hit hard by the tech industry woes and workers refusing to return to the office. Yes, there is a lot of theft and crime in this area as it has attracted the crime element as it has declined. I have still walked around here and have felt safe. And as another PP has said, malls are dying out everywhere. Tysons is a huge exception, but many others in the area (White Flint, Lake Forest) have died, or are being re-developed (Montgomery - which is also dying) and it's a national trend. https://www.businessinsider.com/american-mall-decline-150-left-10-years-how-many-2022-10

I'm not being an apologist here - I'm just stating what I see on a daily basis as a resident. That said, I totally avoid the Tenderloin. When people talk about SF being a hellhole, they are talking about the Tenderloin. You will see very horrible conditions there and it breaks my heart to see people living in these conditions. And it's true that you must lock your car and not leave anything visible no matter where you park. Car break-ins are very common. But its simply not true that there is human feces and drug needles EVERYWHERE. It's not happening in most parts of the city.

For anyone wanting to come visit - I encourage you as you will still enjoy a beautiful, vibrant city with great food scene and tons to do. And the natural beauty just outside the city is amazing as well. When we don't spend weekends in the city, we will be out on gorgeous hikes within an hour or two drive. Not to mention one of the best wine regions in the world an hour away from where we live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

There are parts of DC, I feel safe walking.

There are parts of DC, I do not feel safe walking.

We probably agree, not all of DC is crime-ridden dump, but some parts have more problem that others.

The problem SF has, is that a lot of group A turned into group B in a relatively short time. There also seems to be no sign of the trend stopping. DC people rightly fear that if we adopt SF policies, we'll get SF results.

But, what is really wrong with unchecked violent crime, human feces everywhere, and unlivable conditions for all?

Don’t you support equality?

Good lord. Unlike 99% of the people blathering on here about human feces everywhere, I actually LIVE in SF. And I'm originally from Chicago and spend a lot of time there as well. The media and ignorant people love to go on and on about how both of these cities are hell holes in their entirety. The truth is, as in other cities, most of the problems are confined to a few areas. I moved here from DC in 2020 and live on the border of Russian Hill and Marina. I have a gorgeous view of the Bay, Alcatraz, and the Golden Gate Bridge and I can sit and watch the boats and action on the Bay all day long.

I walk several miles a day in the following areas: embarcadero, North Beach, Nob Hill, Russian Hill, Marina, Pac Hts, Cow Hollow, all the way down to the Presidio among other neighborhoods. And Ft. Mason is in my front yard so we hang out there a lot. We also go down to the areas around Oracle Park, which is full of great restaurants and bars. I have never seen, nor stepped in, human feces. These neighborhoods are clean, safe, vibrant, full of wonderful restaurants, gourmet shops, boutiques, bars, etc. And they are always filled with people.

Most of the hotels and shopping that are closing is in the business district around Union Square. This area has been really hit hard by the tech industry woes and workers refusing to return to the office. Yes, there is a lot of theft and crime in this area as it has attracted the crime element as it has declined. I have still walked around here and have felt safe. And as another PP has said, malls are dying out everywhere. Tysons is a huge exception, but many others in the area (White Flint, Lake Forest) have died, or are being re-developed (Montgomery - which is also dying) and it's a national trend. https://www.businessinsider.com/american-mall-decline-150-left-10-years-how-many-2022-10

I'm not being an apologist here - I'm just stating what I see on a daily basis as a resident. That said, I totally avoid the Tenderloin. When people talk about SF being a hellhole, they are talking about the Tenderloin. You will see very horrible conditions there and it breaks my heart to see people living in these conditions. And it's true that you must lock your car and not leave anything visible no matter where you park. Car break-ins are very common. But its simply not true that there is human feces and drug needles EVERYWHERE. It's not happening in most parts of the city.

For anyone wanting to come visit - I encourage you as you will still enjoy a beautiful, vibrant city with great food scene and tons to do. And the natural beauty just outside the city is amazing as well. When we don't spend weekends in the city, we will be out on gorgeous hikes within an hour or two drive. Not to mention one of the best wine regions in the world an hour away from where we live.

Thank you! I have many friends who live in SF and they all say the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Real estate, the last bastion of "this is fine" is now under assault:

Two of the largest hotels are stopping debt payments: https://sfstandard.com/business/real-estate-group-halts-loan-payments-two-san-francisco-hotels/

Downtown buildings selling for less than half their pre-pandemic value: https://www.costar.com/article/1098279790/wells-fargo-lands-buyer-for-san-francisco-office-tower-at-deeply-discounted-price

This is a national trend.

Yeah, Tysons Corner mall is about to close

Well maybe not Tysons, but there are plans underway to redevelop Fair Oaks mall and reduce retail space to 20-25%. Malls have become an outdated concept and will look very different in 20 years. Downtown areas will look different as well in many areas.

https://www.focusonnova.com/fair-oaks-mall-redevelopment/

DP. Big deal—communities have been transforming old indoor malls for years now. That part of Fairfax County is a hellscape. But more parks and a Metro station would help.

A "hellscape"? What are you on, PP?

Seriously. What a F'ing idiot. Clearly has never set foot in the area.

[Anonymous]

I will never understand why people who don't actually LIVE in a city feel that they are qualified to opine with great conviction about the living conditions in that city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really weird how much this narrative shapes your mind. I’m a liberal who lives in DC. I live in NWDC and had to take my teenager to a community center in the heart of Southeast. In my 16 years of living in DC, I have never been to that area of SE. Given all the hellscape narratives the right keeps pushing, I expected tons of trash everywhere and homeless criminals. You know what I got? A sunny, clean neighborhood with families. I have no idea why the right keeps lying! They’re big fat liars who hate poor people.

Show me an example of the right talking about SE DC.

Search yourself. DCUM is littered with it. They talk about DC like they do SF. I’ve even had a RWNJ who lives in Ashburn tell me that DC is a crime-ridden dump. I live here and he’s wrong.

There are parts of DC, I feel safe walking.

There are parts of DC, I do not feel safe walking.

We probably agree, not all of DC is crime-ridden dump, but some parts have more problem that others.

The problem SF has, is that a lot of group A turned into group B in a relatively short time. There also seems to be no sign of the trend stopping. DC people rightly fear that if we adopt SF policies, we'll get SF results.

But, what is really wrong with unchecked violent crime, human feces everywhere, and unlivable conditions for all?

Don’t you support equality?

Good lord. Unlike 99% of the people blathering on here about human feces everywhere, I actually LIVE in SF. And I'm originally from Chicago and spend a lot of time there as well. The media and ignorant people love to go on and on about how both of these cities are hell holes in their entirety. The truth is, as in other cities, most of the problems are confined to a few areas. I moved here from DC in 2020 and live on the border of Russian Hill and Marina. I have a gorgeous view of the Bay, Alcatraz, and the Golden Gate Bridge and I can sit and watch the boats and action on the Bay all day long.

I walk several miles a day in the following areas: embarcadero, North Beach, Nob Hill, Russian Hill, Marina, Pac Hts, Cow Hollow, all the way down to the Presidio among other neighborhoods. And Ft. Mason is in my front yard so we hang out there a lot. We also go down to the areas around Oracle Park, which is full of great restaurants and bars. I have never seen, nor stepped in, human feces. These neighborhoods are clean, safe, vibrant, full of wonderful restaurants, gourmet shops, boutiques, bars, etc. And they are always filled with people.

Most of the hotels and shopping that are closing is in the business district around Union Square. This area has been really hit hard by the tech industry woes and workers refusing to return to the office. Yes, there is a lot of theft and crime in this area as it has attracted the crime element as it has declined. I have still walked around here and have felt safe. And as another PP has said, malls are dying out everywhere. Tysons is a huge exception, but many others in the area (White Flint, Lake Forest) have died, or are being re-developed (Montgomery - which is also dying) and it's a national trend. https://www.businessinsider.com/american-mall-decline-150-left-10-years-how-many-2022-10

I'm not being an apologist here - I'm just stating what I see on a daily basis as a resident. That said, I totally avoid the Tenderloin. When people talk about SF being a hellhole, they are talking about the Tenderloin. You will see very horrible conditions there and it breaks my heart to see people living in these conditions. And it's true that you must lock your car and not leave anything visible no matter where you park. Car break-ins are very common. But its simply not true that there is human feces and drug needles EVERYWHERE. It's not happening in most parts of the city.

For anyone wanting to come visit - I encourage you as you will still enjoy a beautiful, vibrant city with great food scene and tons to do. And the natural beauty just outside the city is amazing as well. When we don't spend weekends in the city, we will be out on gorgeous hikes within an hour or two drive. Not to mention one of the best wine regions in the world an hour away from where we live.

Thank you! I have many friends who live in SF and they all say the same thing.

The shattered car window thefts are out of control.

https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/san-francisco-car-window-repair-shop-gets-25-calls-a-day-for-break-ins/

Happened to friends last week on the business trip.