National Service/Military Academies?

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Anonymous wrote:All students at the service academies are given an out after their sophomore year, and many consider it a privilege to serve their country. The focus of a service academy is to provide education and training to develop future commissioned officers in the US Armed Forces.

Actually, you can leave at any time, right? But may have to pay back money for the cost of the education you received if after a certain time (end of sophomore year, I believe).

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LndU1nlPQ80&t=101s

Thanks for this

Love this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tjhw-0H6FI&t=102s

Yes.

But with the current events in Russia/Ukraine and China/Tawain, should the video include body bags to be totally honest about what the ask of these 18 year olds truly is???

Agree, but also, these kids know. My kid just received an appointment to USMA (West Point) and she knows. She was asked point blank if she understood and accepted the idea that she could come home in a pine box. And we, the parents were asked that too. (This was not asked by USMA, it was asked during her research into the academy). Kids don't just fall into service academies by filling out an application form. It takes a lot of work, and part of that is knowledge of the dangers.

As I understand it, at USMA, after their second year, *that* is when they commit. And they are walked through the graveyard as part of that process.

Yes, toured and attended WP, as my son considered applying; the risks of post-grad job placement aren't hidden.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LndU1nlPQ80&t=101s

Thanks for this

Love this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tjhw-0H6FI&t=102s

Yes.

But with the current events in Russia/Ukraine and China/Tawain, should the video include body bags to be totally honest about what the ask of these 18 year olds truly is???

Agree, but also, these kids know. My kid just received an appointment to USMA (West Point) and she knows. She was asked point blank if she understood and accepted the idea that she could come home in a pine box. And we, the parents were asked that too. (This was not asked by USMA, it was asked during her research into the academy). Kids don't just fall into service academies by filling out an application form. It takes a lot of work, and part of that is knowledge of the dangers.

As I understand it, at USMA, after their second year, *that* is when they commit. And they are walked through the graveyard as part of that process.

Yes, toured and attended WP, as my son considered applying; the risks of post-grad job placement aren't hidden.

** attended WP events for HS students, not WP itself**

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Anonymous wrote:All students at the service academies are given an out after their sophomore year, and many consider it a privilege to serve their country. The focus of a service academy is to provide education and training to develop future commissioned officers in the US Armed Forces.

Actually, you can leave at any time, right? But may have to pay back money for the cost of the education you received if after a certain time (end of sophomore year, I believe).

Curious about this. DH is Navy, and once upon a time he knew a guy who dropped out of the USNA and had to enlist to serve out his commitment.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LndU1nlPQ80&t=101s

Definitely take a whole package of athletics, academics, and mental/physical endurance to be successful. A lot more dynamic skills are required here than any other academic institution.

Nope, a lot of better atheletes and acdemically superior kids don't want military.
SAT range only 1200-1420
I would say it's equivalent to T50 schools.

Comparing these schools to others is kind of comparing applies and oranges, though.

They don’t get it.

Who are the people who want to keep comparing these niche schools to other schools?

People who don't like the military or are suspicious of them. People who see military service veterans as benefiting unfairly from a post-service "affirmative action" apparatus for education, jobs, etc. People who are intimidated by those who have survived the crucible of these academies and beyond. People who deep down are cowards. People who think the only recipe for success are perfect SAT scores, and recognizing that such a metric is hardly a requisite to be successful by any measure of the word (to include $) and academy grads prove just that over and over again, generation by generation.

Looks to me it's the other way around.
People are indifferent about service academies, but the service academy people want to compare it to other elite schools.

They are elite, if you define elite by selectivity. In other ways too, but that's the most obvious.

- not an Academy grad

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You sign a letter to stay on after sophomore year. Once in junior year...you owe all 4 years back by enlisting if you chose to leave or fail out. Or you pay back the tuition in full. If you want to leave prior to junior year...no issues.

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Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

Air Force as off-the-charts conservative (read religious zealots).

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

Air Force as off-the-charts conservative (read religious zealots).

Yes, should said I knew that! I feel like Navy is most liberal, but really not 100% sure other than Air Force.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

Air Force as off-the-charts conservative (read religious zealots).

Yes, should said I knew that! I feel like Navy is most liberal, but really not 100% sure other than Air Force.

Agree, I would say Air Force, West Point, Annapolis from conservative to liberal. The institutes like VMI and citadel are extremely conservative

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

Air Force as off-the-charts conservative (read religious zealots).

Yes, should said I knew that! I feel like Navy is most liberal, but really not 100% sure other than Air Force.

Agree, I would say Air Force, West Point, Annapolis from conservative to liberal. The institutes like VMI and citadel are extremely conservative

Thanks, that was kind of my gut feeling but wanted a second opinion.

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PP you forgot Coast Guard.

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Anonymous wrote:PP you forgot Coast Guard.

And the Merchant Marine Academy in NY.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

Air Force as off-the-charts conservative (read religious zealots).

Mostly the youngest though. It wasn’t always like that so the older officers aren’t like that. I watched a previous chief of staff put a younger leader right in his place when he suggested using religion in an inappropriate way at work. The young ones though, whew. Some of them really are zealots. Terrible trend.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone rank them from liberal to conservative?

Um, it's the military, what kind of liberal do you expect??