Kristin Mink

[Anonymous]

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You clearly don’t know policing. You realize they also respond to CALLS, correct? And that they aren’t running around pulling people over all day? Calls are way up and officers are down. As for your “work stoppage,” it simply isn’t happening. I know many cops, and they are too busy doing their jobs and covering the shortages. Are they upset with the council? Yes, and rightfully so. If you have paid ANY attention to this council for the past couple of years, you would know that the problems faced in recruitment and retention fall very heavily on the council and its vitriol toward the department.

And to say the Council is “eating it up”? Very mature.

This is a US-wide phenomenon, it's not just Montgomery County. And at least part of it is due to the actions of police officers in the US, which have caused a reassessment of policing in general. There can only be so much attention on so many bad cops before people start to wonder whether there's a systemic problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw if they were too understaffed to go back to normal levels of traffic stops, they'd cite that as the reason. But instead they cite the "rhetoric". Basically, don't you dare criticize police, or we'll stop working.

As I understood it, police officers hate doing traffic enforcement stops anyway. I mean, stops for the primary purpose of traffic enforcement (you're speeding, you didn't stop at the stop sign, you went through a red light, you didn't stop for the person in the crosswalk), not pretextual stops (I want to search your car so I will pull you over for not turning on your blinker). So it seems like automated enforcement (red light cameras, speed cameras, stop sign cameras) would be a win for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw if they were too understaffed to go back to normal levels of traffic stops, they'd cite that as the reason. But instead they cite the "rhetoric". Basically, don't you dare criticize police, or we'll stop working.

As I understood it, police officers hate doing traffic enforcement stops anyway. I mean, stops for the primary purpose of traffic enforcement (you're speeding, you didn't stop at the stop sign, you went through a red light, you didn't stop for the person in the crosswalk), not pretextual stops (I want to search your car so I will pull you over for not turning on your blinker). So it seems like automated enforcement (red light cameras, speed cameras, stop sign cameras) would be a win for everyone.

You're changing the subject. I am not against automated enforcement but it can't completely replace enforcement by police (as they said during the session if you bothered to watch).

If I stopped doing the things I don't like about my job, I'd get fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Work stoppage

Traffic stops are on the decrease due to the pandemic as well as political rhetoric following egregious incidents of police violence throughout the country.

“Politically, we have had a very difficult time getting officers reengaged because of the rhetoric,” said Captain Brian Dillman said, pointing specifically to the death of George Floyd.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/report-traffic-stops-are-down-but-racial-disparities-are-not/

This quote is a great example of why people don't trust cops, and think the whole batch has already spoiled. Look at who this senior law enforcement official is blaming for cops being unengaged. It's not the cops, who are still being paid for the job they are not doing. It's not the murderers who abused their authority and killed a man. It's "the rhetoric."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw if they were too understaffed to go back to normal levels of traffic stops, they'd cite that as the reason. But instead they cite the "rhetoric". Basically, don't you dare criticize police, or we'll stop working.

As I understood it, police officers hate doing traffic enforcement stops anyway. I mean, stops for the primary purpose of traffic enforcement (you're speeding, you didn't stop at the stop sign, you went through a red light, you didn't stop for the person in the crosswalk), not pretextual stops (I want to search your car so I will pull you over for not turning on your blinker). So it seems like automated enforcement (red light cameras, speed cameras, stop sign cameras) would be a win for everyone.

You're changing the subject. I am not against automated enforcement but it can't completely replace enforcement by police (as they said during the session if you bothered to watch).

If I stopped doing the things I don't like about my job, I'd get fired.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I'm not the defender of police on this thread. Yes, automated enforcement can't completely replace enforcement by police, but it could do a lot more to make all of us safer on the roads, including police officers, even compared to former days when police officers were doing a lot more traffic-enforcement stops. The current situation is that there is very little traffic enforcement of any sort, which is bad, but the solution is not to go back to police officers pulling drivers over more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Btw if they were too understaffed to go back to normal levels of traffic stops, they'd cite that as the reason. But instead they cite the "rhetoric". Basically, don't you dare criticize police, or we'll stop working.

Please. All the council does is criticize police, and they are STILL working. Your quote didn’t say there is a work stoppage. It suggests they are discouraged.

I don’t mind criticism of the police. I DO mind lies about work stoppage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw if they were too understaffed to go back to normal levels of traffic stops, they'd cite that as the reason. But instead they cite the "rhetoric". Basically, don't you dare criticize police, or we'll stop working.

Please. All the council does is criticize police, and they are STILL working. Your quote didn’t say there is a work stoppage. It suggests they are discouraged.

I don’t mind criticism of the police. I DO mind lies about work stoppage.

Of course you do, you've said repeatedly how terrible it is when the Council (most of which falls all over itself to express support for first responders including police) criticizes police and how that discourages police from doing their jobs. You can use passive voice to obscure the fact that this is a work stoppage all you want. Doesn't change the fact that police are clearly coordinating to reduce the number of traffic stops they do, and they are NOT saying it is because they are too understaffed to do it, it is NOT because they've received a directive to reduce traffic stops by two thirds, it is because THEY have decided to keep traffic stops low and blame "the rhetoric" (exact quote).

[Anonymous]

Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

I challenge you to find a single social media post from Gabe Albornoz, Sidney Katz, Dawn Luedtke, Andrew Friedson, Marilyn Balcombe, or Natali Fani-Gonzalez that is critical of police. I really doubt Kate Stewart or Laurie-Ann Sayles have any either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

I challenge you to find a single social media post from Gabe Albornoz, Sidney Katz, Dawn Luedtke, Andrew Friedson, Marilyn Balcombe, or Natali Fani-Gonzalez that is critical of police. I really doubt Kate Stewart or Laurie-Ann Sayles have any either.

I said “certain,” and I’m sure anybody reading this thread is aware of who posts regular criticism of our police. As for the others, I still doubt I’ll see your “falling all over to praise”… or even the occasional positive comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

I challenge you to find a single social media post from Gabe Albornoz, Sidney Katz, Dawn Luedtke, Andrew Friedson, Marilyn Balcombe, or Natali Fani-Gonzalez that is critical of police. I really doubt Kate Stewart or Laurie-Ann Sayles have any either.

For one- "not seeing critical tweets" does not equal "falling over themselves to praise police"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

I challenge you to find a single social media post from Gabe Albornoz, Sidney Katz, Dawn Luedtke, Andrew Friedson, Marilyn Balcombe, or Natali Fani-Gonzalez that is critical of police. I really doubt Kate Stewart or Laurie-Ann Sayles have any either.

I said “certain,” and I’m sure anybody reading this thread is aware of who posts regular criticism of our police. As for the others, I still doubt I’ll see your “falling all over to praise”… or even the occasional positive comment.

I literally just named a large majority of the Council and you are characterizing them as being so horrifically critical of police that it's affecting their ability to do their jobs. Yet really, you are talking about two, maybe three councilmembers specifically.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

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Anonymous wrote:Relax, Kristin.

Nice try. I just appreciate people who step up, run a hard-fought campaign, and actually CARE about social justice.

I do, too. That’s not what I see, though. I’m afraid she’s going to join Jawando in attacking our police. We have hard-working men and women in MCPD who show up daily and serve this community with respect and integrity. They don’t deserve the absolute disdain that comes their way from the county. They DO deserve to feel supported in their job.

With rising crime and a diminishing police force, I want to know what she’s going to do to help. She’s on the Public Safety Committee. These problems are hers to solve. What will she do to make this county more attractive to police recruits after years of being vilified by this council?

Public safety affects ALL of us.

Maybe the hard-working men and women in MCPD could start by saying that the FOP doesn't speak for them? And yes, while there are hard-working men and women in MCPD who show up daily and serve this community with respect and integrity, there are also unfortunately police officers in MCPD who don't.

That would be a lie. The FOP literally does represent its members, who pay dues and elect officers. Liars make bad cops.

Maybe a third, if that, actually pay attention to the FOP. Plenty of the cops hate the FOP, which does have pretty basic leadership.