Queen of E's funeral fashion

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Anonymous wrote:I always feel like a lot of the attendees at these royal family events look tacky and ridiculous. Especially the Americans, but plenty of the Brits as well -- people just seem to struggle with the "protocols" while still wanting to wear something eye-catching and interesting and most people fail, to be honest. Like look at Fergie and Beatrice:



Fergie's suit is too tight and totally the wrong shape for her body. Her hat looks silly and small (almost everyone who opts for these little fascinators instead of a proper hat looks silly, IMO, especially at a solemn occasion instead of a wedding). The gloves and sheer hose, which could look classy and traditional if she'd worn a more simple dress in an a-line with less fussiness, instead look twee and unfashionable.

Beatrice does better but her insistence on wearing her hair down looks sloppy -- her hat would look much better if she'd done a smooth updo like her mom. Her outfit is still too fussy for the occasion (lace pleat insets AND gold buttons? come on -- it is a FUNERAL).

Everyone is praising Kate for nailing it, which she did, but also -- it's not that hard! Wear clothes that actually fit and don't make you look like a sausage in a casing. Opt for simple and classic over adorned and complicated. Get your hear done and tame fly-aways. Since you are wearing a hat which is not something women almost every do other than at these events, keep it simple and classic and make sure it is the proper size and shape for your head. Yes, this would be a tall order for a random American, but these people are actual royalty. Whyyyyyy have the not fi
gured it out yet? This assignment was especially easy because (1) you had lots of time to plan, (2) the color scheme was very simple, and (3) no one was going to criticize you for going to plain and simple on this one. And yet so many of them screwed it up. It's amazing.

Beatrice looks just perfect. Lovely dress and beautiful.

Yes to Beatrice looking perfect! And I don’t get the Fergie hate. It is harder to look good on TV than in photos and I thought she looked amazing on-screen. Her hair was flawless and when I first saw her in a shot from the back I assumed it was one of the younger cousins or something. The expectations from PPs like this for how real people should look is insane. These are actual humans who have to put these clothes on, sit through 3 public funeral services in one day, and get in and out of cars and be photographed while doing it. They are not standing backstage being dressed by stylists and leaping onto a catwalk for a 30-second fashion show.

No matter what you want to believe, they do not all have seamstresses like the queen’s knocking out custom outfits on 5 minutes’ notice to perfectly fit their changing bodies. I found it hard to find a flaw in anyone’s outfits and mostly just thought how amazing it was that they didn’t look more rumpled by the end.

I don’t think it’s about having a seamstress on call to knock out a custom outfit. It’s ok to wear something off the rack and find a size the fits. This is how most of the world shops. It doesn’t have to be Stella McCartney or Oscar de la Renta or any other designer to look nice.

All of these people had funeral attire ready to go months ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Beatrice and Eugenie dress in the quirky manner of British aristocracy. To our American eye it looks tacky.

I am hardly the arbitrator of what is appropriate but I thought Bea’s short skirt was the worst offense in terms of too much showing. Flared and short doesn’t seem right for a state event.

This. It just didn't look right.

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Anonymous wrote:This should probably be its own thread, but does anyone who is not royalty wear brooches in real life? I think they look great and add interest, but I never see anyone actually wearing them in real life unless they are elderly. It seems like a 1950's trend in America, but I'm thinking of getting one for my coat. I really liked that large pearl leaf one that Kate wore a week or two ago and that had been the Queen's.

I wear a broach on my wool winter coat -- I love it. I also like the look on sweaters. Even better, a silk scarf draped over a sweater and then secured with a broach! But yes, these latter examples feel over the top in most settings. If I were back in a conservative office I'd do it though. Especially as I get older, I think you can get away with stuff like this a little more that would look silly on a younger woman. But I'm WFH now and broaches on my indoor clothes are too much. But I have a big one I wear on my black coat in the winter and I love that it's a little bit of color and sparkle in the middle of the winter on an otherwise pretty unassuming black coat.

If you’re going to rock a brooch you should learn how to spell it first.

That piece of jewelry can be referred to as a broach. Maybe you need to read more.

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Kate's dress and hat were more appropriate for the occasion. She (or her team?) has impeccable taste.

Kate looks perfect, as usual. I don't care for MM's hat. It looks like like a sun hat for the beach. But hats are hard to pull off or most, especially Americans that aren't used to buying and wearing them formally. Her dress is fine, but did she not keep the cape on? Someone mentioned bare arms..

The cape is part of the dress — she didn’t take it off. The “bare arms” squeals came from the forearms peeking from under the cape. More ridiculous headlines used against MM and no one else (similar to the OMG! They’re holding hands!! cry).

I made the bare arms comment. I didn’t see it criticized in the press. I just prefer arms covered at funerals and other solemn events. I don’t think she looks trashy, I was just making a comment about her fashion choice. I’m also one of those people who thinks women should only wear closed-toe shoes to the office. It’s just an opinion.

Sophie had bare arms and hands, but she wasn't called trashy. Not one person criticize her lack of gloves and her elbow length dress.

Exactly. People look at Meghan and think "what can I criticize about this." They look at other members of the royal family and look for things to praise. It's really transparent.

Bc she didn’t have bare arms. Nice try.

Actually she did. There's a picture with all the women and Sophie had elbow length dress without gloves. I personally did not see a problem with her dress. It was quite lovely, but then again, I also thought all the women, including MM looked quite lovely.

+1 You can see exactly the same amount of Sophie’s arms and Meghan’s arms,

You’re joking right? So in that one angle they are showing the same amount of arm? You are honestly comparing a coat dress to a cape dress.

Ditch the hat, change the shoes and Meghan was basically wearing a cocktail dress.

She’s wearing a black calf length dress with a high neck that does not fit very close to her body. Cocktail dress? Because you can see her forearms? You’re on crack.

I honestly think part of the issue here is that unlike most of the royals except Kate, MM is a young(ish), attractive, stylish woman. She shows them up looks wise just by showing up. She had to learn to dress as a young working actress with minimal access to stylists (she would not have been able to afford them until the last few years if her career). She us naturally very beautiful and knows how to wear clothes to make herself look good. Most of the royals don’t. She looks amazing and they look okay so she gets criticized for “breaking protocol” but the rules are very selectively enforced against her out of spite.

You say this but she has had VERY unfortunate outfits in the last couple of years. The loose drapey pink pantsuit in NYC, the red ballgown with weird bustline that looked like she stuck two soapdishes to her chest, the white trousers with weird pleats...Meghan is on record as saying she styles herself as this was "one of the last things she had control over", but the downside of that is you have no one to tell you when something you picked doesn't work, and you begin to rely on wishful thinking rather than on cold hard looks in the mirror.

I don't know of this drapey pink pantsuit you speak of, but I know the red ballgown and the Brandon Maxwell pleated pants and neither were a fashion misstep. That dress had a slightly weird bustling but was an absolutely stunning color on her with this magnificently dramatic train -- the photos from that event were fantastic and she looked great. The pleated pants are perfectly on trend and she has the figure to pull them off, plus they were well styled with a cut away tank and perfectly hemmed (which is often where wide-leg pants go wrong). She looked great.
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Anonymous wrote:Beatrice and Eugenie dress in the quirky manner of British aristocracy. To our American eye it looks tacky.

I am hardly the arbitrator of what is appropriate but I thought Bea’s short skirt was the worst offense in terms of too much showing. Flared and short doesn’t seem right for a state event.

This. It just didn't look right.

If you look up close, the skirt has these inset pleats that are lined in lace, which kind of droops down below the hemline. Huge no from me.

I think a lot of the fashion was quite bad but because everything was rendered in black with black accessories, it concealed a multitude of British aristocratic fashion sins. These people have no idea how to dress. Aside from Kate/Meghan/Camilla/Sophie/Anne, most of them looked pretty bad. The fact that this was an event most of they could (and likely did) plan for for quite some time only makes it that much worse. If I were Beatrice, who is a working royal and one of the more high profile family members at this point, I'd have an impeccably tailored black dress and coat sitting in my closet at all times just in case. Instead it looks like she ran out to Selfridge's on Sunday afternoon, tried on a bunch of black cocktail dresses and picked the one that looked most funereal. Girl, no.

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Anonymous wrote:Charlotte should have been in navy, not black, imo, like her brother.

My mother always said that children should never be dressed in black, but then again, we were not royals.

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I would tell you to inform her of that, but she is dead.

I am 60 and I followed your mother’s (and mine) advice. My daughter did not wear black growing up, and even now in her 20s, she does so sparingly. My brainwashing was a success! I would have put Charlotte in black with a contrast color collar. I also don’t care for her hat, but I am old and like little girls to look like Frances Hodgkin Burnett’s Sara Crewe.

Her little hat was exactly a black version of Madeline's.

Yes. Very cute, I thought.

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Kate's dress and hat were more appropriate for the occasion. She (or her team?) has impeccable taste.

Kate looks perfect, as usual. I don't care for MM's hat. It looks like like a sun hat for the beach. But hats are hard to pull off or most, especially Americans that aren't used to buying and wearing them formally. Her dress is fine, but did she not keep the cape on? Someone mentioned bare arms..

The cape is part of the dress — she didn’t take it off. The “bare arms” squeals came from the forearms peeking from under the cape. More ridiculous headlines used against MM and no one else (similar to the OMG! They’re holding hands!! cry).

I made the bare arms comment. I didn’t see it criticized in the press. I just prefer arms covered at funerals and other solemn events. I don’t think she looks trashy, I was just making a comment about her fashion choice. I’m also one of those people who thinks women should only wear closed-toe shoes to the office. It’s just an opinion.

Sophie had bare arms and hands, but she wasn't called trashy. Not one person criticize her lack of gloves and her elbow length dress.

Exactly. People look at Meghan and think "what can I criticize about this." They look at other members of the royal family and look for things to praise. It's really transparent.

Bc she didn’t have bare arms. Nice try.

Actually she did. There's a picture with all the women and Sophie had elbow length dress without gloves. I personally did not see a problem with her dress. It was quite lovely, but then again, I also thought all the women, including MM looked quite lovely.

+1 You can see exactly the same amount of Sophie’s arms and Meghan’s arms,

You’re joking right? So in that one angle they are showing the same amount of arm? You are honestly comparing a coat dress to a cape dress.

Ditch the hat, change the shoes and Meghan was basically wearing a cocktail dress.

She’s wearing a black calf length dress with a high neck that does not fit very close to her body. Cocktail dress? Because you can see her forearms? You’re on crack.

I honestly think part of the issue here is that unlike most of the royals except Kate, MM is a young(ish), attractive, stylish woman. She shows them up looks wise just by showing up. She had to learn to dress as a young working actress with minimal access to stylists (she would not have been able to afford them until the last few years if her career). She us naturally very beautiful and knows how to wear clothes to make herself look good. Most of the royals don’t. She looks amazing and they look okay so she gets criticized for “breaking protocol” but the rules are very selectively enforced against her out of spite.

You say this but she has had VERY unfortunate outfits in the last couple of years. The loose drapey pink pantsuit in NYC, the red ballgown with weird bustline that looked like she stuck two soapdishes to her chest, the white trousers with weird pleats...Meghan is on record as saying she styles herself as this was "one of the last things she had control over", but the downside of that is you have no one to tell you when something you picked doesn't work, and you begin to rely on wishful thinking rather than on cold hard looks in the mirror.

I don't know of this drapey pink pantsuit you speak of, but I know the red ballgown and the Brandon Maxwell pleated pants and neither were a fashion misstep. That dress had a slightly weird bustling but was an absolutely stunning color on her with this magnificently dramatic train -- the photos from that event were fantastic and she looked great. The pleated pants are perfectly on trend and she has the figure to pull them off, plus they were well styled with a cut away tank and perfectly hemmed (which is often where wide-leg pants go wrong). She looked great.
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Was this for an event or just paparazzi sidewalk shots? This looks fine for whatever she was doing that day. Not amazing but hair and makeup look great and she looks comfortable. Please find me photos BRF members standing near cars on the street where they are more fashionable dressed.

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Oh crap, everyone's in suits and I'm in bare shoulders with flimsy ribbed beachy top. Oh crap my breast cups went for a walk. Note to self, never again, these things just don't ever stay put.

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What do Meghan's red outfits have to do with fashion at the Queen's funeral? Just another opportunity to take jab I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:My torso's wide, my breasts are small, and now my story is all told.

Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything:

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Was this for an event or just paparazzi sidewalk shots? This looks fine for whatever she was doing that day. Not amazing but hair and makeup look great and she looks comfortable. Please find me photos BRF members standing near cars on the street where they are more fashionable dressed.

We aren't trying to prove she's MORE fashionable than BRF, we're trying to show her taste falters at times.

This was for a public engagement in NYC.

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Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything.

There is no such thing as a stunning dress with a weird neckline. The neckline frames your face, which is the most important thing about a person. When the neckline is screwed, so is the rest.

We aren't running a contest within the BRF, we're evaluating Markle on her own merits against the claimed label of a good dresser.

But yes, come to think of it, I've never seen THAT much skin on Kate, and for that, I'm sincerely grateful.