Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).

It was Nixon trying to save his candidacy by courting Catholics, actually. He made this the hot button issue it is now. Or at least lit the fuse.

Can everything be traced back to Nixon? The Southern Strategy? The War on Drugs? I mean gosh, you can look back and say that we're still living in the long shadow of his terrible policy and political decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).

Misogyny might be what got a few laws on the books about medications and treating patients as doctors. But racism was the cause of evangelical christians voting. After schools desegregated, tons of all white religious schools popped up to allow them to send their kids to white schools. After it became obvious what was happening, the IRS got involved and their tax exempt status became iffy, and they were going to have to choose between greed and racism if they couldn't come up with a plan to change the laws so they could hold true to both of their sacred values. It turns out, racism doesn't get out the vote effectively, so they fiddled around to see what they could come up with to get conservatives out on voting day. If they could find an issue that they cared about enough to show up in big numbers, segregationists could count on voters to also allow them to keep their white religious schools and their tax exemptions. Eventually they figured out that abortion was what would drive people out to vote in droves, and while they're there voting to instate misogyny, they can also vote to uphold greed and racism. It was a win-win-win for RWNJs.

You can even see the changing point in the southern baptist convention's doctrine. Before this movement, it talked about how abortion is a private medical decision among a woman, her family, and her doctor. Soon after, it became the mother of all sins, and the good christians must try and save all the babies, even at the expense of women and society. I don't think they were expecting it to take off and become such a political issue. It was just a tool to keep their kids in all white schools, and bonus that it controls women too. But I guess when it took off, they figured they'd roll with it, because no one would be crazy enough to make it completely illegal and cause women to die, lose fertility, or women and girls to have to birth their rapists' babies.

So yeah, abortion restrictions might be rooted in Victorian "morality"/misogyny, but the current nonsense stems directly from racism.

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A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?


Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):
Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...


And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-o...cients-and-contraceptives.html


It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.


It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).


Misogyny might be what got a few laws on the books about medications and treating patients as doctors. But racism was the cause of evangelical christians voting. After schools desegregated, tons of all white religious schools popped up to allow them to send their kids to white schools. After it became obvious what was happening, the IRS got involved and their tax exempt status became iffy, and they were going to have to choose between greed and racism if they couldn't come up with a plan to change the laws so they could hold true to both of their sacred values. It turns out, racism doesn't get out the vote effectively, so they fiddled around to see what they could come up with to get conservatives out on voting day. If they could find an issue that they cared about enough to show up in big numbers, segregationists could count on voters to also allow them to keep their white religious schools and their tax exemptions. Eventually they figured out that abortion was what would drive people out to vote in droves, and while they're there voting to instate misogyny, they can also vote to uphold greed and racism. It was a win-win-win for RWNJs.

You can even see the changing point in the southern baptist convention's doctrine. Before this movement, it talked about how abortion is a private medical decision among a woman, her family, and her doctor. Soon after, it became the mother of all sins, and the good christians must try and save all the babies, even at the expense of women and society. I don't think they were expecting it to take off and become such a political issue. It was just a tool to keep their kids in all white schools, and bonus that it controls women too. But I guess when it took off, they figured they'd roll with it, because no one would be crazy enough to make it completely illegal and cause women to die, lose fertility, or women and girls to have to birth their rapists' babies.

So yeah, abortion restrictions might be rooted in Victorian "morality"/misogyny, but the current nonsense stems directly from racism.

As someone who grew up Southern Baptist in the south in the 1970s and 80s, I think there is a lot of truth to this analysis. The Southern Baptist Convention switched its position on abortion around the same time that Bob Jones University lost its tax exemption. But I don't think that it was necessary a "bonus" re controlling women. I think that was just as much a motivator as racism. And in 10 years, after every evangelical knows someone personally who has suffered under these draconian laws, the situation will change. Even now, if you put choice on the ballot as a referendum, most southern states would vote for at least 15 weeks, plus rape/incest/health of mother (as determined by her doctor).

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).

It was Nixon trying to save his candidacy by courting Catholics, actually. He made this the hot button issue it is now. Or at least lit the fuse.

Can everything be traced back to Nixon? The Southern Strategy? The War on Drugs? I mean gosh, you can look back and say that we're still living in the long shadow of his terrible policy and political decisions.

Don’t sell Reagan short for how terrible his politics were and how much they still affect us to this day. Closing all the institutions with no meaningful alternative in place means thousands more mentally ill have been homeless; trickle down economics means the poor get poorer, most of the middle class gets poorer and the rich become stupid rich; and the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine means… well most of the Republicans who post on here are evidence of that.

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).

Misogyny might be what got a few laws on the books about medications and treating patients as doctors. But racism was the cause of evangelical christians voting. After schools desegregated, tons of all white religious schools popped up to allow them to send their kids to white schools. After it became obvious what was happening, the IRS got involved and their tax exempt status became iffy, and they were going to have to choose between greed and racism if they couldn't come up with a plan to change the laws so they could hold true to both of their sacred values. It turns out, racism doesn't get out the vote effectively, so they fiddled around to see what they could come up with to get conservatives out on voting day. If they could find an issue that they cared about enough to show up in big numbers, segregationists could count on voters to also allow them to keep their white religious schools and their tax exemptions. Eventually they figured out that abortion was what would drive people out to vote in droves, and while they're there voting to instate misogyny, they can also vote to uphold greed and racism. It was a win-win-win for RWNJs.

You can even see the changing point in the southern baptist convention's doctrine. Before this movement, it talked about how abortion is a private medical decision among a woman, her family, and her doctor. Soon after, it became the mother of all sins, and the good christians must try and save all the babies, even at the expense of women and society. I don't think they were expecting it to take off and become such a political issue. It was just a tool to keep their kids in all white schools, and bonus that it controls women too. But I guess when it took off, they figured they'd roll with it, because no one would be crazy enough to make it completely illegal and cause women to die, lose fertility, or women and girls to have to birth their rapists' babies.

So yeah, abortion restrictions might be rooted in Victorian "morality"/misogyny, but the current nonsense stems directly from racism.

Hard disagree. Misogyny is its own horrifying beast, one that people seem even less willing to reckon with than they are with racism and bigotry.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

In case any desperate women or teens happen to be reading, absolutely do not drink pennyroyal to “bring on the menses.” Pennyroyal can actually be toxic to the woman taking it.

[Anonymous]

So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

Nope. States could still ban all they want.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

Nope. In states where abortion is currently banned, it would still be banned. Only in states with less restrictive abortion laws, would this "law" take hold.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

Nope. States could still ban all they want.

+1

Forced birthers really don’t want to accept what they’ve done, do they?

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

Nope. In states where abortion is currently banned, it would still be banned. Only in states with less restrictive abortion laws, would this "law" take hold.

That has no chance of becoming law.

Would Dems accept a compromise that would make abortion legal to 15 weeks in all states?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?


Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):
Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...


And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-o...cients-and-contraceptives.html


It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.


It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).


Misogyny might be what got a few laws on the books about medications and treating patients as doctors. But racism was the cause of evangelical christians voting. After schools desegregated, tons of all white religious schools popped up to allow them to send their kids to white schools. After it became obvious what was happening, the IRS got involved and their tax exempt status became iffy, and they were going to have to choose between greed and racism if they couldn't come up with a plan to change the laws so they could hold true to both of their sacred values. It turns out, racism doesn't get out the vote effectively, so they fiddled around to see what they could come up with to get conservatives out on voting day. If they could find an issue that they cared about enough to show up in big numbers, segregationists could count on voters to also allow them to keep their white religious schools and their tax exemptions. Eventually they figured out that abortion was what would drive people out to vote in droves, and while they're there voting to instate misogyny, they can also vote to uphold greed and racism. It was a win-win-win for RWNJs.

You can even see the changing point in the southern baptist convention's doctrine. Before this movement, it talked about how abortion is a private medical decision among a woman, her family, and her doctor. Soon after, it became the mother of all sins, and the good christians must try and save all the babies, even at the expense of women and society. I don't think they were expecting it to take off and become such a political issue. It was just a tool to keep their kids in all white schools, and bonus that it controls women too. But I guess when it took off, they figured they'd roll with it, because no one would be crazy enough to make it completely illegal and cause women to die, lose fertility, or women and girls to have to birth their rapists' babies.

So yeah, abortion restrictions might be rooted in Victorian "morality"/misogyny, but the current nonsense stems directly from racism.

As someone who grew up Southern Baptist in the south in the 1970s and 80s, I think there is a lot of truth to this analysis. The Southern Baptist Convention switched its position on abortion around the same time that Bob Jones University lost its tax exemption. But I don't think that it was necessary a "bonus" re controlling women. I think that was just as much a motivator as racism. And in 10 years, after every evangelical knows someone personally who has suffered under these draconian laws, the situation will change. Even now, if you put choice on the ballot as a referendum, most southern states would vote for at least 15 weeks, plus rape/incest/health of mother (as determined by her doctor).

PP you responded to here. I'm about a decade after you, so I don't remember the switch. I remember in weekly youth group discussions we were told about how important it was for girls to protect their virtue and how if an accident were to happen, abortion was murder so it wasn't a valid option. We were actually told about members in our own church who would be so happy to adopt from teen girls who weren't ready to become mothers if only those girls wouldn't murder the babies instead. This was in the 90s. We had the awful purity rings, purity promises/pledges, and purity balls (my parents were happy enough with the pledge and thought the rings and dances were weird so at least I wasn't forced to go to those). My own mother came from a long line of teen mothers, and I guess she figured if she started "teaching" me about sex early instead of pretending it didn't exist like her mom did, I wouldn't become pregnant before I was ready. I was also told essentially that she wasn't allowed to have an abortion and I wouldn't be either, so better not have sex.

This is why sex ed is crucial. Not just where to put what to plant that seed and in 9 months it grows into a baby. But anatomy, physiology, consent, alternatives to PIV, pregnancy and disease prevention, healthy relationship characteristics, sexuality as a spectrum, gender vs sex, and that women aren't just baby factories. My experience was common for a young woman growing up in an evangelical christian community in the south. I knew the basics of how babies are made when I was in elementary school, but I wasn't given any of the other tools I needed to understand my body or sex. I had to figure out a lot of things myself, including that I wasn't actually a bad person for liking sex and that every encounter needn't be a potential baby. If the only sex ed kids get is that oversimplified seed BS, and all that purity for girls and boys will be boys nonsense pushed on the at church, there's little hope that things will improve in those communities. If sex ed is part of biology or health classes, it shouldn't be a big deal or be controversial, because it's just science. Obviously, science is totally politicized, but education before complete indoctrination is our best hope.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

Nope. In states where abortion is currently banned, it would still be banned. Only in states with less restrictive abortion laws, would this "law" take hold.

That has no chance of becoming law.

Would Dems accept a compromise that would make abortion legal to 15 weeks in all states?

They should.

That's most of Europe.

But they won't, because the loonie loonie left is now in charge.

How about Canada?

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

No, it would not "legalize" anything. It sets a ceiling, not a floor. It BANS abortions after 15 weeks, but does not LEGALIZE any abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight, Republicans are supporting a bill that would legalize 95 plus percent of all abortions nationwide including in states where they are currently banned and Dems are trying to block this?

Nope. In states where abortion is currently banned, it would still be banned. Only in states with less restrictive abortion laws, would this "law" take hold.

That has no chance of becoming law.

Would Dems accept a compromise that would make abortion legal to 15 weeks in all states?

They should.

That's most of Europe.

But they won't, because the loonie loonie left is now in charge.

That hasn't been offered yet. Quit acting like we're rejecting something that's not even on the table.