How did Herndon/Westfield HS go from top to bottom?

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Land in Great Falls is crazy expensive.

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You’re pretty invested in the idea that a new school would only be built to relieve overcrowding at those two schools. Other schools are either overcrowded or have very large enrollments.

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Anonymous wrote:Land in Great Falls is crazy expensive.

It’s cheap compared to land in other parts of NoVa.

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Anonymous wrote:If it gets built at Hutchison then it seems likely some homes currently zoned for Langley will be reboundaried for Herndon.

How in the world will they fit a high school next to Hutchison ES? There's not enough room, even if they demolished the elementary school.

Hutchison site is not a leading candidate anymore. Too small. Too far from Chantilly/Centreville, Too close to Herndon High, etc. From the latest CIP and the meeting, it seems like they are redoing the site selection.

Hutchinson may end up not being a good location- but counting the adjacent county park- it actually has more land than Fairfax HS- not familiar with all the other HS's.

Hutchison is not a good location for a number of reasons:
1. Location is not within the area that is in need--Centreville and Chantilly
2. It would require major redistricting and domino movement. The site is within the Herndon boundary--which is not overcrowded. The closest school boundaries to that site are South Lakes and Westfield, which are also not overcrowded at this time.
3, Any students who would be redistricted into the Hutchison site would face MAJOR traffic difficulties because of the lack of arteries to that area. (It backs up to the DTR, so an additional artery going west would be problematic.
4. New Metro stop is adjacent to that area--not sure how the traffic patterns will work, but there is already gridlock in the mornings on Elden St/DTR intersection. That would be a major, major problem with multiple school buses, etc.

It just is not a logical solution.
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Believe it or Not the Western HS idea was about the Silver line- not really Centreville and Chantilly specifically- they may pivot post covid and Silver line extension not open yet.
This was from Reston Now a few years ago Re: New HS-
The new high school is planned for somewhere along the Dulles Suburban Corridor to take students coming up through McNair, Coates and Hutchison elementary schools.

Thank you. That was my recollection but no one ever brings that up.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really disgusting how much discussion is going into putting down the low SES/ESL kids in the Herndon pyramid and ways to contain those and kids in similar situations walled off from the rest of FCPS. Worse, some of these poor kids are here because of federal and state decisions many well-heeled, blue voters throughout the county support. Oooh, we’re for this and that (so long as we send the newly arrived poor ones to Herndon, keep the old poor ones at Justice and Mount Vernon, the poor Asian ones at Annandale, ….). Barf.

Democrats. So…..

Surprised that this hasn’t been deleted yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Land in Great Falls is crazy expensive.

It’s cheap compared to land in other parts of NoVa.

FCPS has the money.

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When 3 of those top 8 are schools that are likely to see their boundaries change with a new high school (Langley, Oakton, and Chantilly), you can expect a lot of jockeying to try to stay in those pyramids or even kill the new school entirely.

Doubt Langley will be affected. Who would go there?

Depends where the new school is. All the talk is of them trying to build a school near the airport, but there is no space. If they build the school in Great Falls, Langley will be affected.

Yes. Great idea. Build a school in Great Falls to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville.

Indirectly. Chantilly and Centreville have relieved Westfield, Westfield has relieved South Lakes and Herndon, and Langley has also relieved Herndon and South Lakes. Therefore, a school in Great Falls could relieve Herndon, South Lakes, Langley, and Madison somewhat.

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Indirectly. Chantilly and Centreville have relieved Westfield, Westfield has relieved South Lakes and Herndon, and Langley has also relieved Herndon and South Lakes. Therefore, a school in Great Falls could relieve Herndon, South Lakes, Langley, and Madison somewhat.

You do know that Westfield was built to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville? That was before we started talking about building schools for demographic equity. Funny, the consultant said that Fairfax County parents are not in favor of that, but it appears that DCUM -and perhaps, the School Board--won't accept that.

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Chantilly and Marshall are below the Big 5 (Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton, Woodson) and, of course, TJ. But Chantilly was only 1 point behind Madison for Class of 2021.
Class of 2020:
TJ 1527
Langley 1305
McLean 1295
Oakton 1281
Woodson 1264
Madison 1262
Marshall 1253
Chantilly 1247

Class of 2021:

TJ 1531
McLean 1295
Langley 1285
Woodson 1253
Oakton 1249
Madison 1230
Chantilly 1229
Marshall 1223

The scores are not reflective of the teachers, but the involvement of the parents (or more accurately how much money parents through at other people to deal with their children). Consequently, the snowflakes can succeed in any FCPS school. Plenty of 4-year college bound students come out of Herndon, Justice, etc.
The real problems stem from FCPS itself, but that’s for a different thread.

+1. I wish more people understood this distinction. Many genuinely believe the teachers suck if GreatSchools isn't 7+. It's insulting to the teachers.

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Indirectly. Chantilly and Centreville have relieved Westfield, Westfield has relieved South Lakes and Herndon, and Langley has also relieved Herndon and South Lakes. Therefore, a school in Great Falls could relieve Herndon, South Lakes, Langley, and Madison somewhat.

You do know that Westfield was built to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville? That was before we started talking about building schools for demographic equity. Funny, the consultant said that Fairfax County parents are not in favor of that, but it appears that DCUM -and perhaps, the School Board--won't accept that.

It all depends on all the questions are framed.

Ask them how they feel about drawing boundaries so that poverty is concentrated in certain schools while one alone remains 2% FARMS.

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Indirectly. Chantilly and Centreville have relieved Westfield, Westfield has relieved South Lakes and Herndon, and Langley has also relieved Herndon and South Lakes. Therefore, a school in Great Falls could relieve Herndon, South Lakes, Langley, and Madison somewhat.

You do know that Westfield was built to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville? That was before we started talking about building schools for demographic equity. Funny, the consultant said that Fairfax County parents are not in favor of that, but it appears that DCUM -and perhaps, the School Board--won't accept that.

It all depends on all the questions are framed.

Ask them how they feel about drawing boundaries so that poverty is concentrated in certain schools while one alone remains 2% FARMS.

Do you understand geography? The line was not drawn for that purpose. The lines were drawn long before the demographics became so extreme. The demographics have changed dramatically--mostly because of politicians in the TOH.

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Indirectly. Chantilly and Centreville have relieved Westfield, Westfield has relieved South Lakes and Herndon, and Langley has also relieved Herndon and South Lakes. Therefore, a school in Great Falls could relieve Herndon, South Lakes, Langley, and Madison somewhat.

You do know that Westfield was built to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville? That was before we started talking about building schools for demographic equity. Funny, the consultant said that Fairfax County parents are not in favor of that, but it appears that DCUM -and perhaps, the School Board--won't accept that.

It all depends on all the questions are framed.

Ask them how they feel about drawing boundaries so that poverty is concentrated in certain schools while one alone remains 2% FARMS.

Do you understand geography? The line was not drawn for that purpose. The lines were drawn long before the demographics became so extreme. The demographics have changed dramatically--mostly because of politicians in the TOH.

Since the inequality was so inadvertent and unintended, I’m sure the boundaries can be redrawn to be more equitable, especially since it’s much more inconvenient to bus kids 12-14 miles now than it was 30 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Land in Great Falls is crazy expensive.

It’s cheap compared to land in other parts of NoVa.

FCPS has the money.

I wonder how much money FCPS gets from GF property taxes as a percentage?

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Anonymous wrote:Land in Great Falls is crazy expensive.

It’s cheap compared to land in other parts of NoVa.

FCPS has the money.

I wonder how much money FCPS gets from GF property taxes as a percentage?

What does that have to do with anything? They don’t get nearly as much in property taxes from that area as they would if it were developed. It’s zoned at every level (residential zoning, school boundaries) to cater to the wealthy, but that doesn’t mean it benefits others in the county.

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Indirectly. Chantilly and Centreville have relieved Westfield, Westfield has relieved South Lakes and Herndon, and Langley has also relieved Herndon and South Lakes. Therefore, a school in Great Falls could relieve Herndon, South Lakes, Langley, and Madison somewhat.

You do know that Westfield was built to relieve overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville? That was before we started talking about building schools for demographic equity. Funny, the consultant said that Fairfax County parents are not in favor of that, but it appears that DCUM -and perhaps, the School Board--won't accept that.

Thank you. That’s my observation as well. Do it right, just do it the way that benefits my kids and keeps the poors out. SMH.