Athletes have such an edge

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

It has already been explained multiple times in this thread that your future and existing surgeons are in fact likely to be athletes given the higher-than-average representation of college athletes in surgical specialties.

Yes -- a large number of the doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers are likely to be the athletes. It has always been thus. Not new. Old joke -- Harvard football team goes in to the huddle and they greet each other by saying Dr., Dr., Dr. -- that joke has been around since the 1940s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I argue that athlete candidates do not have an advantage. All of the potential athletes have already been culled by the time they apply to the school, dramatically inflating their acceptance rate. There are 15-20 kids who are contacting the coach to want to be on the team with only 1 or 2 being picked by the coach. The athlete is not applying unless he is supported by the coach and able to be in the team. The only advantage is that their test scores/grades may be lower than the average, but not dramatically lower.

100% the grades and scores are dramatically lower.

Wow if only there were no other groups with dramatically lower grades like legacies 30-35%. If only the student athletes did not make up 4-7% of the student body. This is only an issue if your kid is in the bottom 5% of accepted students. At that point what is really differentiating the candidates? It’s not grade and GPA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

It has already been explained multiple times in this thread that your future and existing surgeons are in fact likely to be athletes given the higher-than-average representation of college athletes in surgical specialties.

Yes -- a large number of the doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers are likely to be the athletes. It has always been thus. Not new. Old joke -- Harvard football team goes in to the huddle and they greet each other by saying Dr., Dr., Dr. -- that joke has been around since the 1940s.

Makes sense spatial awareness and coordination are qualities needed in surgeons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

It has already been explained multiple times in this thread that your future and existing surgeons are in fact likely to be athletes given the higher-than-average representation of college athletes in surgical specialties.

Yes -- a large number of the doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers are likely to be the athletes. It has always been thus. Not new. Old joke -- Harvard football team goes in to the huddle and they greet each other by saying Dr., Dr., Dr. -- that joke has been around since the 1940s.

Really? Never heard that growing up in a community heavily dominated by doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers -- of course, we were a Jewish community and honestly understand that education is so much more important than sports. Yes, they have their place, but the American obsession is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think I’ve ever met an orthopedic surgeon who wasn’t either a college athlete or in the military

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

It has already been explained multiple times in this thread that your future and existing surgeons are in fact likely to be athletes given the higher-than-average representation of college athletes in surgical specialties.

Yes -- a large number of the doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers are likely to be the athletes. It has always been thus. Not new. Old joke -- Harvard football team goes in to the huddle and they greet each other by saying Dr., Dr., Dr. -- that joke has been around since the 1940s.

Really? Never heard that growing up in a community heavily dominated by doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers -- of course, we were a Jewish community and honestly understand that education is so much more important than sports. Yes, they have their place, but the American obsession is ridiculous.

Most my Jewish dr/lawyer friends played college sports. Only one played football though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think I’ve ever met an orthopedic surgeon who wasn’t either a college athlete or in the military

^^^^ This

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

It has already been explained multiple times in this thread that your future and existing surgeons are in fact likely to be athletes given the higher-than-average representation of college athletes in surgical specialties.

Yes -- a large number of the doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers are likely to be the athletes. It has always been thus. Not new. Old joke -- Harvard football team goes in to the huddle and they greet each other by saying Dr., Dr., Dr. -- that joke has been around since the 1940s.

Really? Never heard that growing up in a community heavily dominated by doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers -- of course, we were a Jewish community and honestly understand that education is so much more important than sports. Yes, they have their place, but the American obsession is ridiculous.

There is no such community.

[Anonymous]

Uh, what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

Many athletes are very smart, many have ADD too. All have strong discipline and teamwork by the time they get recruited for college play. Aside from engineering, kids do get to choose their major from what we’ve seen. DS plays lacrosse. He studies Computer Science. There are STEM majors and lots of finance and accounting majors too. From what we’ve seen basketball and football tend to bring in students with lower GPAs and stats in part because they are money makers.

And as others noted, we’ve never met an ortho who wasn’t a college athlete.

[Anonymous]

Don't most recruited athletes end up teaching sports in high school? I have never met a doctor or surgeon who was previously an athlete. Perhaps we move in different circles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't most recruited athletes end up teaching sports in high school? I have never met a doctor or surgeon who was previously an athlete. Perhaps we move in different circles.

This is perhaps the dumbest question I’ve seen on DCUM. We definitely move in different circles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think I’ve ever met an orthopedic surgeon who wasn’t either a college athlete or in the military

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't most recruited athletes end up teaching sports in high school? I have never met a doctor or surgeon who was previously an athlete. Perhaps we move in different circles.

This is perhaps the dumbest question I’ve seen on DCUM. We definitely move in different circles.

+1

That was remarkably dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most athletes who are successful in their chosen sport spends hours and hours of training and have the discipline & work ethics to be successful.

Having a specific skill - a sport, musical instrument, singing, dancing is MUCH more rare than a kid with high stats.

Scarcity creates demand thus colleges will fight over an athlete much more than a kid with 1600 SAT/4.0+ GPA.

I have one kid who is academic and another who is athletic but I guild them not to be defined by it. You are more than your grades, school or sport.

Be a good person and kind to others!

Nobody is being unkind. They are just noting the significant imbalance toward recruited athletes. Who are going to be the doctors, scientists, micro-biologists, philosophers, data scientists, computer programmers of the future? It's the high stats kids. I would rather have my future surgeon be a smart kid who earned his/her way to college than someone recruited for athletics.

It has already been explained multiple times in this thread that your future and existing surgeons are in fact likely to be athletes given the higher-than-average representation of college athletes in surgical specialties.

Yes -- a large number of the doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers are likely to be the athletes. It has always been thus. Not new. Old joke -- Harvard football team goes in to the huddle and they greet each other by saying Dr., Dr., Dr. -- that joke has been around since the 1940s.

Really? Never heard that growing up in a community heavily dominated by doctors, scientists, lawyers, bankers -- of course, we were a Jewish community and honestly understand that education is so much more important than sports. Yes, they have their place, but the American obsession is ridiculous.

Most my Jewish dr/lawyer friends played college sports. Only one played football though.

That's because we have different Friday night lights