Excellent podcast from Politico from youngkin strategists on how they won — must read/listen

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

So Northam did pass a law forcing schools to offer in-person learning 5 days a week, yes? That was something that the governor did to open schools over the objection of the school districts and teachers' union?

Yes, he signed the bipartisan bill (senate: 36-3; house: 88-9) in March after the big winter surge and after we had a vaccine.

Could he have pushed that bill sooner?

Who was obstructing him?

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

How exactly did Northam or VDH/VDOE "turn schools into a wedge issue, encourage paranoia, or continue closures"?

Biden campaigned on school scare-tactics and then his CDC reversed course when the unions complained. Northam campaigned with Weingarten who exploited false beliefs about the risks of open schools for her own union's benefit. Northam (and most other dems) failed to use their positions to advocate for open schools - they just let this vital public service disappear. Northam was the one to originally order schools to close, so it's on him that they didn't reopen.

Northam did not turn it into a wedge issue or encourage paranoia FFS.

Feb 2021 - Northam opened schools after the vaccine was available and after the winter surge
March 2021 - Northam mandated 5-day, in-person instruction for July 2021

Yes, you are mad at FCPS' actions, but you blame others. We get it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty easy.

Youngkin played the aw-shucks southern gentlemen while the right wing echo chamber pounded CRT and other BS through its media outlets and social media promotion.

This. A mom at soccer practice was gushing on how excited she was that Youngkin won so that he would save LCPS.

I usually ignore political talk but I couldn't help myself. I asked her if she'd researched what Youngkin had pledged to do for education. Spoiler alert: she hadn't. She had just gone by the talking hot points and was a bit crestfallen when I send her information on the scope of what the Governor can actually change re: education.

Then after she researches Youngkin she will be 100 times more excited.

His plans for education will improve schools tremendously.

Thank goodness she voted Youngkin instead of an uneducated partisan vote for Terry.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty easy.

Youngkin played the aw-shucks southern gentlemen while the right wing echo chamber pounded CRT and other BS through its media outlets and social media promotion.

This. A mom at soccer practice was gushing on how excited she was that Youngkin won so that he would save LCPS.

I usually ignore political talk but I couldn't help myself. I asked her if she'd researched what Youngkin had pledged to do for education. Spoiler alert: she hadn't. She had just gone by the talking hot points and was a bit crestfallen when I send her information on the scope of what the Governor can actually change re: education.

The governor has a hige role in education in Virg8nia through appointments to the Virginia dept of education.

Plus of all of the 6 candidates, Winsome Sears was the most qualified on the issue of education.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

How exactly did Northam or VDH/VDOE "turn schools into a wedge issue, encourage paranoia, or continue closures"?

Biden campaigned on school scare-tactics and then his CDC reversed course when the unions complained. Northam campaigned with Weingarten who exploited false beliefs about the risks of open schools for her own union's benefit. Northam (and most other dems) failed to use their positions to advocate for open schools - they just let this vital public service disappear. Northam was the one to originally order schools to close, so it's on him that they didn't reopen.

Northam did not turn it into a wedge issue or encourage paranoia FFS.

Feb 2021 - Northam opened schools after the vaccine was available and after the winter surge
March 2021 - Northam mandated 5-day, in-person instruction for July 2021

Yes, you are mad at FCPS' actions, but you blame others. We get it.

Did the teachers' union in VA obstruct opening? And did McAuliffe campaign with the teachers' union?

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The school bill sat on his desk for weeks.

He signed it at the last possible moment.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on now, you aren't seeing alllllllll of the sexism inherent in deriding women who were 1) disproportionately hurt in terms of employment and well-being by school closures, 2) pushing for faster school reopening because they felt their children were being hurt by the closures?

So you voted for the candidate and party who is for defunding public schools (go charters, let’s ramp up that graft like you have in DC), and opposed universal day care and parental leave? What a shell game.

Dems used their complete control to keep public/government schools closed. All that funding for a system that can tell parents where to stick it? If you want parents to think public schools are the best thing ever and so government should continue to have a stranglehold on k-12 education, don’t give the charter proponents talking points and drive parents to private schools.

Dems like McAuliffe think school choice is only for those with a few extra tens of thousands they can spend.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

LOL. Sure.

You sound 100% rational.

That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

The point isn't the ACTUAL concerns about the impacts of the virus. The concern is that you'll have people who manage to sway the perception enough that the powers in charge believe (against evidence) that schools need to close. Like last year.

Unlike last fall, we now have clear data on safety and consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty easy.

Youngkin played the aw-shucks southern gentlemen while the right wing echo chamber pounded CRT and other BS through its media outlets and social media promotion.

This. A mom at soccer practice was gushing on how excited she was that Youngkin won so that he would save LCPS.

I usually ignore political talk but I couldn't help myself. I asked her if she'd researched what Youngkin had pledged to do for education. Spoiler alert: she hadn't. She had just gone by the talking hot points and was a bit crestfallen when I send her information on the scope of what the Governor can actually change re: education.

The governor has a hige role in education in Virg8nia through appointments to the Virginia dept of education.

Plus of all of the 6 candidates, Winsome Sears was the most qualified on the issue of education.

Too bad she hates women.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

How exactly did Northam or VDH/VDOE "turn schools into a wedge issue, encourage paranoia, or continue closures"?

Biden campaigned on school scare-tactics and then his CDC reversed course when the unions complained. Northam campaigned with Weingarten who exploited false beliefs about the risks of open schools for her own union's benefit. Northam (and most other dems) failed to use their positions to advocate for open schools - they just let this vital public service disappear. Northam was the one to originally order schools to close, so it's on him that they didn't reopen.

Northam did not turn it into a wedge issue or encourage paranoia FFS.

Feb 2021 - Northam opened schools after the vaccine was available and after the winter surge
March 2021 - Northam mandated 5-day, in-person instruction for July 2021

Yes, you are mad at FCPS' actions, but you blame others. We get it.

Did the teachers' union in VA obstruct opening? And did McAuliffe campaign with the teachers' union?

Did they?

Weingarten, 5/13/21:
“There is no doubt: Schools must be open. In person. Five days a week.
We know that’s how kids learn best and that prolonged isolation is harmful.”

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Anonymous wrote:Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

Debunking blatant lies with facts is not "gaslighting".

what facts? the salient fact is that schools were closed and not reopened for normal 5-day/week schooling for a very long time - with the details varying from school to school, child to child, district to district - but overall, Virginia was at the bottom of states offering in-person schooling. within these closures, special needs kids were especially harmed by the deprivations even when schools were purportedly "open." My child with autism went back in April but only 4 days/week and without many of the supports he needed. this led to a disrupted summer, and to a very rocky start of the fully reopened year in 2021. those are the facts. you, meanwhile, think you're making some kind of clever gotcha point when a poster seemingly gets the months wrong somewhat. so yeah, you're the one gaslighting by claiming that a mistake of dates is somehow more salient than the overall truth that school closures were very long and really hurt kids with SN. I could tell you the exact dates of school closures for my kid but I know you actually don't care.

+1 exactly

That PP is either deliberately gaslighting or is just really dense. Either way, sort of an object lesson in Democrat cluelessness.

Ya'll fling out lie after lie after lie and lie and get mad when someone calls you out on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk who is in here continually gaslighting by pretending that Zoom in a room counts as being "in school," but that PP is an example of why many McAuliffe voters didn't bother to vote, and some Democrats switched to Youngkin.

Debunking blatant lies with facts is not "gaslighting".

what facts? the salient fact is that schools were closed and not reopened for normal 5-day/week schooling for a very long time - with the details varying from school to school, child to child, district to district - but overall, Virginia was at the bottom of states offering in-person schooling. within these closures, special needs kids were especially harmed by the deprivations even when schools were purportedly "open." My child with autism went back in April but only 4 days/week and without many of the supports he needed. this led to a disrupted summer, and to a very rocky start of the fully reopened year in 2021. those are the facts. you, meanwhile, think you're making some kind of clever gotcha point when a poster seemingly gets the months wrong somewhat. so yeah, you're the one gaslighting by claiming that a mistake of dates is somehow more salient than the overall truth that school closures were very long and really hurt kids with SN. I could tell you the exact dates of school closures for my kid but I know you actually don't care.

+1 exactly

That PP is either deliberately gaslighting or is just really dense. Either way, sort of an object lesson in Democrat cluelessness.

Ya'll fling out lie after lie after lie and lie and get mad when someone calls you out on it.

Sigh. I'm not mad. I just think you are an idiot.

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I think 2 thing are worth noting: 1) what PP said. D's did not offer "high-quality, safe, continuously open public schools." So it's not like there's a home with the D's any longer for that.
2) people who are mad often vote against a thing more than for a thing. I know we all want to be rational and reasonable and stuff, but when D's didn't prioritize education , and on top of that told parents (moms, mostly) to just shut up and accept it, that made some people mad. Thus is the nature of politics.

To point 1, I said that's the goal, right? And there are logical and illogical ways to try and achieve that goal.
To point 2, you're totally right about the "voting against things" part. It's really pathetic. But how were [predominately D-led] public school administrations supposed to 'prioritize education' when teachers wouldn't return to work and many of the parents who wanted in-person school wouldn't agree to mitigation measures? What magic solution do these 'switch' voters believe was available 15 months ago?

Schools in many other states managed to open.

Many schools in VA were also open.

The facts are actually that only 6 states had schools closed longer than VA. I guess two can play at the facts game.

Is that all this is to you - a game? Do you even have kids?

Northam didn't keep schools virtual - those were local decisions. As demonstrated by all of the different approaches and timelines to virtual/in-person.

We get it. You are mad at your school district. There were some very bad consequences from virtual/concurrent learning. Push your superintendent and school board to address learning loss, SEL, etc. That is best use of your energy right now if you actually want to make a change.

People are mad at DEMOCRATS. Local Democrats who made the local decisions to close schools, and state/national Democrats who turned schools into a wedge issue and encourage paranoia and continued closures. That's the point of this thread.

How exactly did Northam or VDH/VDOE "turn schools into a wedge issue, encourage paranoia, or continue closures"?

Biden campaigned on school scare-tactics and then his CDC reversed course when the unions complained. Northam campaigned with Weingarten who exploited false beliefs about the risks of open schools for her own union's benefit. Northam (and most other dems) failed to use their positions to advocate for open schools - they just let this vital public service disappear. Northam was the one to originally order schools to close, so it's on him that they didn't reopen.

Northam did not turn it into a wedge issue or encourage paranoia FFS.

Feb 2021 - Northam opened schools after the vaccine was available and after the winter surge
March 2021 - Northam mandated 5-day, in-person instruction for July 2021

Yes, you are mad at FCPS' actions, but you blame others. We get it.

Did the teachers' union in VA obstruct opening? And did McAuliffe campaign with the teachers' union?

Did they?

Weingarten, 5/13/21:
“There is no doubt: Schools must be open. In person. Five days a week.
We know that’s how kids learn best and that prolonged isolation is harmful.”

Please provide your citation. Generally Weingarten then says ...."but" after saying "schools should open."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/05/health-202-virginia-legislators-try-force-return-5-day-in-person-school/

March 5, 2021: "The teachers union in Fairfax County has said it opposes a five-day school week next autumn and says schools shouldn’t fully reopen until all of the county’s 150,000 students are vaccinated and there have been 14 days without community spread."

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No one gets credit for saying schools should open in May of 2021. Too little too late.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems blew it by keeping schools closed for an unreasonably long time, losing suburban women swing voters. They lost me too, and im a lifelong democrat in DC who hates Trump. Wheres the alternative in our party? Do better, Dems.

You're selfish and pathetic. There's a great big world out there, and not everything revolves around your snowflakes.

And you think this kind of reaction represents a good electoral strategy???

I don't care. No so-called "lifelong democrat" turns on the party and supports Youngkin on the single issue of schools being closed for too long WHEN THEY WERE LONG AGO REOPENED.

But could get closed again.

LOL. Sure.

You sound 100% rational.

That's completely rational. Maybe you don't want to hear it, though? Think of this: a variant where case rates exceed those of last winter, and that evades current vaccines.

So in your scenario, how infectious and virulant is this new variant? How likely is it that this scenario would happen?

I think it'd have to be a pretty crazy virus for most parents to want to go back to virtual/concurrent/hybrid.

The point isn't the ACTUAL concerns about the impacts of the virus. The concern is that you'll have people who manage to sway the perception enough that the powers in charge believe (against evidence) that schools need to close. Like last year.

Unlike last fall, we now have clear data on safety and consequences.

You are proving the point. There was actual evidence in Fall 2020 of how to reopen safely and, to re-state this point that you refuse to believe, a whole lot of places did just that.