Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

Is it closed though? They will use it for a different purpose just like Woodward and Northwood?

And even if this does constitute a closure under COMAR (unlikely) there is nothing illegal about closing a school. You just have to follow a process...which they can still do.

You want to be right so badly, but MCPS will not want to announce Wootton as a closure. Furthermore, the chronology of events and legal discovery could support a finding that Option H’s closure of Wootton is arbitrary, meaning the MD BOE must reverse the decision.

It's clearly not arbitrarily. Wootton is the second closest school to Crown. And the only school that is closer was recently replaced and is on the other side of 270.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the reasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

Is it closed though? They will use it for a different purpose just like Woodward and Northwood?

And even if this does constitute a closure under COMAR (unlikely) there is nothing illegal about closing a school. You just have to follow a process...which they can still do.

You want to be right so badly, but MCPS will not want to announce Wootton as a closure. Furthermore, the chronology of events and legal discovery could support a finding that Option H’s closure of Wootton is arbitrary, meaning the MD BOE must reverse the decision.

It's clearly not arbitrarily. Wootton is the second closest school to Crown. And the only school that is closer was recently replaced and is on the other side of 270.

Again, not up to you. If litigation happens, the move/closure is toast.

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Crown won't even be move-in n ready until summer 2027. There's more than enough time to go through the procedures for relocating a school.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

Is it closed though? They will use it for a different purpose just like Woodward and Northwood?

And even if this does constitute a closure under COMAR (unlikely) there is nothing illegal about closing a school. You just have to follow a process...which they can still do.

You want to be right so badly, but MCPS will not want to announce Wootton as a closure. Furthermore, the chronology of events and legal discovery could support a finding that Option H’s closure of Wootton is arbitrary, meaning the MD BOE must reverse the decision.

It's clearly not arbitrarily. Wootton is the second closest school to Crown. And the only school that is closer was recently replaced and is on the other side of 270.

Again, not up to you. If litigation happens, the move/closure is toast.

Unlikely. And the fact that you're talking about it and some are organizing is an indication that notice has been provided and public input is being sought.

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Anonymous wrote:Crown won't even be move-in n ready until summer 2027. There's more than enough time to go through the procedures for relocating a school.

The PP seems to think it's a problem if MCPS doesn't use the word "close," even if they meet all of the procedural requirements for a closure.

At least, they claim to believe that. It is hard to know when clearly so many of their posts are disingenuous.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the reasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the reasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

You give MCPS too much credit and the students no credit for their good grades. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

Is it closed though? They will use it for a different purpose just like Woodward and Northwood?

And even if this does constitute a closure under COMAR (unlikely) there is nothing illegal about closing a school. You just have to follow a process...which they can still do.

You want to be right so badly, but MCPS will not want to announce Wootton as a closure. Furthermore, the chronology of events and legal discovery could support a finding that Option H’s closure of Wootton is arbitrary, meaning the MD BOE must reverse the decision.

It's clearly not arbitrarily. Wootton is the second closest school to Crown. And the only school that is closer was recently replaced and is on the other side of 270.

Again, not up to you. If litigation happens, the move/closure is toast.

Unlikely. And the fact that you're talking about it and some are organizing is an indication that notice has been provided and public input is being sought.

Notice has been provided of a school closure? Please cite to this in an official MCPS communication.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the reasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

They always have. Look at the course and activity offerings at the various MS and HS. There are huge disparities in the offerings.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

Is it closed though? They will use it for a different purpose just like Woodward and Northwood?

And even if this does constitute a closure under COMAR (unlikely) there is nothing illegal about closing a school. You just have to follow a process...which they can still do.

You want to be right so badly, but MCPS will not want to announce Wootton as a closure. Furthermore, the chronology of events and legal discovery could support a finding that Option H’s closure of Wootton is arbitrary, meaning the MD BOE must reverse the decision.

It's clearly not arbitrarily. Wootton is the second closest school to Crown. And the only school that is closer was recently replaced and is on the other side of 270.

Again, not up to you. If litigation happens, the move/closure is toast.

Unlikely. And the fact that you're talking about it and some are organizing is an indication that notice has been provided and public input is being sought.

Notice has been provided of a school closure? Please cite to this in an official MCPS communication.

I've been getting emails. You haven't?

You're hung up on the "closure" word. Even if it was a closure, MCPS wouldn't have to use your desired word.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the reasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

They always have. Look at the course and activity offerings at the various MS and HS. There are huge disparities in the offerings.

I said "shouldn't", not "doesn't".

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the reasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

They always have. Look at the course and activity offerings at the various MS and HS. There are huge disparities in the offerings.

Ok, MCPS is removing Blair and other good magnet programs. No more disparities.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the areasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

You give MCPS too much credit and the students no credit for their good grades. Shame on you.

Quite the opposite. The high test scores at Wootton aren't due to MCPS. They're due to the students that have selected for that boundary. Those students would test well at any school.

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Anonymous wrote:100% the Wootton walkers are hanging their hat on option H being illegal. They cannot get through their head that MCPS would have vetted this plan to make sure it was legal before going forward with it as an option.

That is the smoking gun. They could vet the legality so as to force us into it, but they built the building without vetting the legality and they spent more time on vetting the legality than trying to anticipate enrollment.

EG they knew they were doing something that wasn't very good.

Building Crown was legal, but announcing and pushing hard an option to close/move a top school to fill it without appropriate due diligence and community input is not.

DP. Top school? I thought it was #191? Seems pretty far down the list if you ask me. But anyways, how is that relevant to any argument regarding whether the closure is legal or not?

#191 in the county. #3 in the state. considering the high school I graduated from is like #17k something in the country i’d say they are doing pretty well.

As has been discussed, that's a reflection of the quality (wealth) of the students, not in the quality of the school.

And yet, it doesn’t change the statistics of how it’s a top school. It doesn’t really matter if you like the areasons. I was answering the ignorant question about how #191 was implied to be not great. Seems you and/or this person don’t know how many high schools there are in this country.

It changes the significance. There's no practical public benefit to maintaining a public school for a ranking. The students still exist regardless of what school they go to.

Again, not the point. The statistics are what they are. You can have moral objections to them of course but it doesn’t change anything. And if it didn’t matter at all why would they make/publish these rankings in the first place? It’s fine if it doesn’t matter to you-nobody cares. It obviously matters to some-that’s why ranking exist.

It might matter to you as a parent to an individual child, but it doesn't matter to the district as a whole if students ultimately just have similar levels of performance distributed differently across schools.

It matters to MCPS as well. Very much so.

It shouldn't. MCPS shouldn't be playing favorites.

You give MCPS too much credit and the students no credit for their good grades. Shame on you.

Quite the opposite. The high test scores at Wootton aren't due to MCPS. They're due to the students that have selected for that boundary. Those students would test well at any school.

These students will just move. Their parents won’t just sit passively