Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

That’s actually what they’ve done for the last 15+ years. They just don’t come out and say it because they are all Democrats who pay lip service to equity. But there’s a reason kids living a mile from Loudoun or two miles from Herndon HS are still at Langley, and why the RIO moms hoping to stay at Oakton look to them for inspiration. Money talks.

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

That’s actually what they’ve done for the last 15+ years. They just don’t come out and say it because they are all Democrats who pay lip service to equity. But there’s a reason kids living a mile from Loudoun or two miles from Herndon HS are still at Langley, and why the RIO moms hoping to stay at Oakton look to them for inspiration. Money talks.

Dp. Agree, and it's everywhere. Money drives these redistricting talks.

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Make sure you get Marcia St. John-Cunning to say this in January and then we’ll watch as they protect the wealthy as always. Of course, Western is going to be fairly affluent no matter what with Floris and Oak Hill so it’s not like they were thinking of sending Crossfield to Mount Vernon.

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Make sure you get Marcia St. John-Cunning to say this in January and then we’ll watch as they protect the wealthy as always. Of course, Western is going to be fairly affluent no matter what with Floris and Oak Hill so it’s not like they were thinking of sending Crossfield to Mount Vernon.

That is the irony here. The school will be like Carson. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

One of the comments on the petition page:


"Moving students in Franklin Farm navy elementary school from Oakton high school to western high is unacceptable, unnecessary, unjustified and unfair. Families in Oakton high are the ones who value opportunities to access high quality education for children higher than many other things and have invested heavily in children’s futures. No one has right to decide family priorities for use and no one have right to hurt our children’s futures."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Sorry, but you can’t make stealing from your neighbors into a virtue. And no matter how hard you try to will it into existence, a county maintaining its citizens’ property values is not anything close to welfare.

Your viewpoint is what has significantly hobbled Chicago and San Francisco. The sooner you realize that, the better it’ll be for us all. I won’t hold my breath.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Sorry, but you can’t make stealing from your neighbors into a virtue. And no matter how hard you try to will it into existence, a county maintaining its citizens’ property values is not anything close to welfare.

Your viewpoint is what has significantly hobbled Chicago and San Francisco. The sooner you realize that, the better it’ll be for us all. I won’t hold my breath.

DP. You're stretching. It's hard to say that a boundary change that would improve the operating efficiency of FCPS is theft unless it preserves the property values of the wealthiest. Boundary changes can affect property values, but as long as it's incidental rather than intentional there's no reason to complain. And it's not like they (or, you, for that matter) have demonstrated the expertise to assess the impact of particular boundary changes on tax revenues with any confidence anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the comments on the petition page:


"Moving students in Franklin Farm navy elementary school from Oakton high school to western high is unacceptable, unnecessary, unjustified and unfair. Families in Oakton high are the ones who value opportunities to access high quality education for children higher than many other things and have invested heavily in children’s futures. No one has right to decide family priorities for use and no one have right to hurt our children’s futures."

But Franklin Farm should be in one high school, not two.

Are you crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:They should get western everything ready before starting enrollment. No sports and with some electives ( what are those exactly?) not available for the 1st-2nd year, and what if still non afterwards? Who is going to make their kids the lab guinea pigs?

Electives might not be available because not enough kids select them, the number will grow each year as more kids are added to the school.

Kids are opting in, I know a bunch who have already done so.

The Fox Mill mom is going to pretend to be a sophomore to boost the enrollment numbers.

It really irks you that there are families from Fox Mill that want to move, doesn’t it? You do know that what is typed on this site has little impact on the final decision.

The poster, and others, is asking if kids will really opt in. The answer is yes, I know people. I am guessing that there are families from Crossfield and Floris that have opted in. I doubt that there are many from Oak Hill and I have no clue about kids from McNair and Coates.

Yeah, and south lakes sucks which is why we should move.

I don’t like our Black principal

Fox Mill ES attends Carson and the kids would like to attend HS with the kids that they go to MS with. Western is closer to Fox Mill than South Lakes. Many families at South Lakes would prefer AP to IB.

We know that you want Crossfield to move because you don’t like the bus ride to Oakton. That makes sense. Is there a reason that you have adopted the tactic of attacking and insulting anyone who has a different opinion?

There are several different people posting. I've posted about Crossfield, but I didn't post anything above.

Why bother opening a new high school when there is high levels of gatekeeping surrounding it.

All options are terrible.

Again I will say this:

Take all of Westfield Coates, all of Crossfield, and I mean all of it including the Navy island, all of Floris including discovery, all of Fox Mill, all of McNair, and all of Oak Hill.

With that, an estimated 2,162 students would be estimated to serve that high school.

Plus, after interior renovations, all should fit.

There’s a whole forum discussing how FCPS plans to FCPSify the former KAA.

New stadium and fields, removal of the second auxiliary gym, interior infills where open atriums exist, a larger cafeteria, and possibly modifications to the Auditorium.

Nothing major on the exterior except new signage.

With those changes, that 2,162 or more should fit.

If they can get Capacity up to 2,500 seats, that would be nice to accommodate further development.

If they blow up the budget even more by trying to fit six ES feeders into Western, every School Board member complicit in the lie that this would essentially be a ready-to-go 2000-student high school should be indicted for fraud.

Again Susan Crawford, they are renovating this facility to maximize student growth as much as possible.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

I don’t get the Susan Crawford reference, but it seems you’re conflating your wishes with their plans. They already said they’ll have to spend up to $50 million on top of the initial purchase price to get Western ready to accommodate 2000 kids. They will be in deep sh*t if they spend more than that to “accommodate future growth” at a time when enrollments and birth rates are declining and they’re telling everyone else to just accept boundary changes.

PP who said this school will likely have five feeders seems to be more grounded in reality.

2000+

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Anonymous wrote:They should get western everything ready before starting enrollment. No sports and with some electives ( what are those exactly?) not available for the 1st-2nd year, and what if still non afterwards? Who is going to make their kids the lab guinea pigs?

Electives might not be available because not enough kids select them, the number will grow each year as more kids are added to the school.

Kids are opting in, I know a bunch who have already done so.

The Fox Mill mom is going to pretend to be a sophomore to boost the enrollment numbers.

It really irks you that there are families from Fox Mill that want to move, doesn’t it? You do know that what is typed on this site has little impact on the final decision.

The poster, and others, is asking if kids will really opt in. The answer is yes, I know people. I am guessing that there are families from Crossfield and Floris that have opted in. I doubt that there are many from Oak Hill and I have no clue about kids from McNair and Coates.

Yeah, and south lakes sucks which is why we should move.

I don’t like our Black principal

Fox Mill ES attends Carson and the kids would like to attend HS with the kids that they go to MS with. Western is closer to Fox Mill than South Lakes. Many families at South Lakes would prefer AP to IB.

We know that you want Crossfield to move because you don’t like the bus ride to Oakton. That makes sense. Is there a reason that you have adopted the tactic of attacking and insulting anyone who has a different opinion?

Move Fox Mill to Western. Move the rest of Crossfield and the Navy island to South Lakes. Change South Lakes to AP.

Best solution for both county taxpayers and FCPS students.

Lots easier just to move Crossfield.
Besides, Meren won't like that.
Meren is Hunter Mill.
The new school is in Sully District.
Most of Crossfield students live in Sully District.
Pretty sure all of Fox Mill is in Hunter Mill.

Didn't say this is easier or aligned with whatever Melanie Meren concludes on any given day her constituents want (it seems to fluctuate and then require clarification, repudiation, apologies, etc.).

However, moving Fox Mill to Western and the rest of Crossfield and the Navy island to South Lakes, while replacing IB with AP at South Lakes, would be the best solution for county taxpayers and FCPS students.

To state the obvious, Fox Mill is the closest to Western, the Navy island and the rest of Crossfield are closer to South Lakes than to Oakton, and replacing IB with AP at South Lakes would make South Lakes more attractive to more families (given the general preference for AP over IB) and also stem the pupil placements out of Herndon to South Lakes.

FCPS under Michelle Reid very rarely does what makes sense for taxpayers or students, so this may not happen. Doesn't mean it shouldn't.

Fox Mill is closer to South Lakes than most of Crossfield. Fox Mill is already at South Lakes. And, Fox Mill has portions that are just as far away from Western as Crossfield. Most of Crossfield is much closer to Western than South Lakes.

Nice effort to obfuscate by totally ignoring the distance of Crossfield to Oakton. Maybe you can draft Meren’s next email.

Once again learn how to read a map. We are not talking about the distance of the schools, we are talking about where people live. Most people who go to Crossfield don't live very close to it. But you knew that already, you just loooooove to feign ignorance. LOOK AT A MAP LADY. Actually, I'm beginning to think you're a man, you're so dumb.

You were met with logic and now you’re shouting. Is it that time of the month, honey?

No.

I’m 5 months pregnant with triplets and irritated that you men can’t do simple things such as read a mother effing map!

God I hate having to pee every five minutes!

WTF, that wasn't even me!

The trolls are out tonight.

Yeah really WTF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Sorry, but you can’t make stealing from your neighbors into a virtue. And no matter how hard you try to will it into existence, a county maintaining its citizens’ property values is not anything close to welfare.

Your viewpoint is what has significantly hobbled Chicago and San Francisco. The sooner you realize that, the better it’ll be for us all. I won’t hold my breath.

DP. You're stretching. It's hard to say that a boundary change that would improve the operating efficiency of FCPS is theft unless it preserves the property values of the wealthiest. Boundary changes can affect property values, but as long as it's incidental rather than intentional there's no reason to complain. And it's not like they (or, you, for that matter) have demonstrated the expertise to assess the impact of particular boundary changes on tax revenues with any confidence anyway.

If you polled FC residents, a large majority will tell you that property values matter a lot to them. For most people, their house equity represents the largest percentage of their assets.

You are parroting a lot of the school board members when you try to dismiss these concerns, and residents have learned to avoid mentioning property values when they talk with the school board members, but it is of course top of mind for a lot of Oriole who really stretched to buy their homes, especially in this area.

If I were a consultant for the republicans trying to make in roads in FCPS, I’d hammer the democrats on not caring about property values, especially when they retort that they can always just increase the tax rate to compensate for it. I’m not a republican, but this is an issue that resonates on all sides of the aisle.

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Anonymous wrote:Take Crossfield, Navy, and Lees Corner as Lees Corner is closer to Western than Fox Mill. Fox Mill stays at SLHS.

Fox Mill likely will stay at SLHS, because of Crossfield's bussing situation and not because Lee's Corner is closer.

Lee's Corner is not closer. The closest Fox Mill homes are 1.8 miles away from Western.

Nope, sorry, lFox Mill is 4 miles away from Western. PLUS you have to take seven turns to get there. Whereas from Crossfield, you only have to take four turns to get to Western. As such, it takes 10-12 minutes from both schools to get to Western. Basically no difference.

*See, I can play your stupid game, too.

You are such a liar.

I’m so sorry Menopause is hurting your sweet little feelings that now you have to take it out on all of us in an anonymous forum.

You stupid 🐕

Wow, WTF was that? Get help, lady.

There was/is a troll amongst us.

Check to see if your kids have discovered their parents' anonymous forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Sorry, but you can’t make stealing from your neighbors into a virtue. And no matter how hard you try to will it into existence, a county maintaining its citizens’ property values is not anything close to welfare.

Your viewpoint is what has significantly hobbled Chicago and San Francisco. The sooner you realize that, the better it’ll be for us all. I won’t hold my breath.

DP. You're stretching. It's hard to say that a boundary change that would improve the operating efficiency of FCPS is theft unless it preserves the property values of the wealthiest. Boundary changes can affect property values, but as long as it's incidental rather than intentional there's no reason to complain. And it's not like they (or, you, for that matter) have demonstrated the expertise to assess the impact of particular boundary changes on tax revenues with any confidence anyway.

If you polled FC residents, a large majority will tell you that property values matter a lot to them. For most people, their house equity represents the largest percentage of their assets.

You are parroting a lot of the school board members when you try to dismiss these concerns, and residents have learned to avoid mentioning property values when they talk with the school board members, but it is of course top of mind for a lot of Oriole who really stretched to buy their homes, especially in this area.

If I were a consultant for the republicans trying to make in roads in FCPS, I’d hammer the democrats on not caring about property values, especially when they retort that they can always just increase the tax rate to compensate for it. I’m not a republican, but this is an issue that resonates on all sides of the aisle.

Their premise that their property values will go down is not based in reality. Compare the prices of Franklin Farm, Folkstone area, Chantilly Highlands and Franklin Glen. (Last two are in the area but go to Chantilly along with Franklin Farm on other side of 286). Similar houses go for similar prices.
There is a very slight difference in FARMS between Carson and Oakton.

I think it is sports that is driving the issue.

They make it sound like the western school will be a ghetto. Do they feel that way about Carson?

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Anonymous wrote:Just looked at the comments on the petition. I guess they think they care more about their kids than other people. One did bring up property values, too.

It is the epitome of dumb when people pretend that property values don’t matter.

I’ve heard this over and over from the school board members, and then they turn around and kvetch about not having enough money.

Citizens care deeply about property values and the school board really hurts FCPS by ignoring it.

And I’m not even a die-hard free market person.

You want the school system to be divided up and allocate its resources to protect private property values, and not to efficiently operate a school system? Thats a bold take.

You want the school system to have significantly less money to operate? Also bold.

It’s quite the assertion to justify more welfare for the wealthy (inefficient operations to protect the private value of McMansions) while at the same time whining about waste and bloat.

Sorry, but your home equity is all your own risk and reward, it’s not the school system’s job to value house A over house B.

Sorry, but you can’t make stealing from your neighbors into a virtue. And no matter how hard you try to will it into existence, a county maintaining its citizens’ property values is not anything close to welfare.

Your viewpoint is what has significantly hobbled Chicago and San Francisco. The sooner you realize that, the better it’ll be for us all. I won’t hold my breath.

DP. You're stretching. It's hard to say that a boundary change that would improve the operating efficiency of FCPS is theft unless it preserves the property values of the wealthiest. Boundary changes can affect property values, but as long as it's incidental rather than intentional there's no reason to complain. And it's not like they (or, you, for that matter) have demonstrated the expertise to assess the impact of particular boundary changes on tax revenues with any confidence anyway.

If you polled FC residents, a large majority will tell you that property values matter a lot to them. For most people, their house equity represents the largest percentage of their assets.

You are parroting a lot of the school board members when you try to dismiss these concerns, and residents have learned to avoid mentioning property values when they talk with the school board members, but it is of course top of mind for a lot of Oriole who really stretched to buy their homes, especially in this area.

If I were a consultant for the republicans trying to make in roads in FCPS, I’d hammer the democrats on not caring about property values, especially when they retort that they can always just increase the tax rate to compensate for it. I’m not a republican, but this is an issue that resonates on all sides of the aisle.

I fully appreciate that people care about property values and also value stability in school assignments where possible. And I am sure we would both take issue if there were a clear effort to change boundaries undertaken for the purpose of reallocating home equity.

However, sometimes boundaries need to change. We are not talking about moving Langley kids to Herndon (yet). We are talking about establishing boundaries for a new high school that FCPS purchased to address a need identified decades ago, in an area that had seen repeated boundary changes over the years and was generally supportive of a new high school. They cannot open a new community high school without defining its boundaries, and that means some short-term disruption in exchange for longer-term stability. So at this point, if they are doing things right, they will figure out what boundaries make the most sense without paying much attention to those complaining that a reassignment to Western may hurt their property values.