Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:So, this is a question for all pro Israeli posters. In the latest negotiations in Cairo, Hamas agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for an end to the war. However, Netanyahu refused this deal ( per Reuters, I haven’t seen this reported in U.S media).

I have seen hundreds of responses here saying that Hamas can end the killing of their people in one minute if they agree to release the hostages. But now we are finding out that it was never about the hostages, this is about Likud’s intentions for explanding Israel’s foot print and Netanyahu’s struggle to remain in power.

At this point if they don’t invade Rafah, Netanyahu is toast so here we are.

There can be no permanent peace deal unless it includes the immediate disarmament and dissolution of Hamas, and the removal of anybody associated with Hamas from governmental roles in Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas knows this, so they blackballed any negotiations by asking for a permanent peace deal without these stipulations. So Israel rejected the so-called “deal,” like any other country in their situation would have.

Your blind support for Israel is astounding.
Had negotiations gone another way you would be arguing how that is the right decision
Clearly nobody is lily white and spotless!

DP. So, just to be clear: you support Hamas terrorists being in power. I mean, we already knew that, but why don't you come out and say it.

Ugh, as every day passes, it just becomes more and more apparent that the perspectives of people supportive of Israel do not coexist peacefully with the perspectives of the rest of us.

The perspectives of people supportive of Israel do not coexist peacefully with the perspectives of the rest of America?

Do you realize just how inappropriate and outright disgusting that statement is when we have protesters associated with Hamas in our street in our street targeting and attacking Jewish and pro-Jewish residents, calling for genocide against Jews, at attacking Israel’s right to defend itself because of it’s Jewish faith.

It’s not Jewish people (or Israel supporters) who’s perspective does not coexist with the rest of America.

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Clearly the PP lives in an airtight echo chamber of likeminded LWNJs. The vast majority of Americans think the pro-Hamas crowd is poisonous.

Almost everyone, including many, many protesters, some of whom are JEWS, are anti-Hamas. The majority of Americans are anti-Hamas. However, some of us do not think Israel has the right to commit genocide in the name of wiping out Hamas.

And it is the RWNJs that have been antisemitic for DECADES. You just conveniently forget that fact as you ignore other facts.

Stop lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

Why? Seriously asking. Why can't Columbia have the students clean up the grounds because a graduation ceremony needs to take place? Why is Columbia allowing protesters (doesn't matter what side they are on or who they are) to remain on the grounds, not clean up after themselves and dictating what happens on the grounds of the university? Have the police come in and make sure each one understands there is a ceremony that has to occur and they need to leave the campus ASAP. If they don't, they will be evicted. If protesters have already received a warning, evict now. Protest does not mean vandalism defacing the buildings. Take action, Columbia and NYPD!

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Anonymous wrote:Today, around a hundred students assembled at UT, protested for a few hours, and dispersed without incident. Looks like UT has handled this the right way.

I’ll be surprised if this gets any national coverage.

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787169510316818529?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787191507725791383?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

Shame on UT for not protecting their Jewish students and letting Hamas just openly terrorize the campus.

I’ve been as critical of UCLA and Columbia as anyone for not protecting their Jewish students, but UT is drawing the line at the correct place, imo. These students have the right to speak, however offensive their speech may be. They do not have the right to “occupy” the campus and camp in tents and deny access to the campus to people who don’t share their views. The state police cleared out those who previously attempted to do this (a substantial proportion of which were not students), and they stood by today to make sure the protest did not get out of hand. In contrast to Columbia, the protestors said their piece and moved on, because they knew that further actions would not be tolerated. Columbia messed up by not reacting immediately. They kept “negotiating” and ignoring their own deadlines. Because the protestors were determined to have a confrontation, they kept having to push further and further until they did something that couldn’t be ignored. Texas took control immediately and suffered a one day media hit (that was popular in Texas) instead of letting it drag on for weeks. Now, they are allowing the students their first amendment rights, while maintaining control of their campus and protecting the rights of other students. Of course, it will be ignored by the national media.

Of course they have the right to speak. Literally nobody is arguing with you.

They do not have the right to target Jewish students, call for the genocide of all Jews, and/or support a globally recognized terrorist organization.

These “protests” are not saying, “Israel has a right to exist, and their ongoing operation designed to liberate Palestine from Hamas rule should continue, but maybe they should look at their operations and how they can better protect Palestinian civilians,” which is a 100% valid and reasonable stance.

These protestors are arguing that Israel as a country should not exist, and that all Jewish people are guilty of extreme war crimes. They are arguing for “divestment” from Israel, and removal of American aid, much of which goes towards the Iron Dome, a DEFENSIVE system that continues to save Israeli lives. Divestment would harm Israelis, not the Israeli government, while removal of funding for the Iron Dome would be a massive boon for Hamas’ genocidal actions (like 10/7) and goals.

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Pretty astounding this has to be explained at all.

So the content of their speech is offensive to you and therefore should not be allowed? Only the more sanitized version you shared is ok?

Yes - when the protests get to harassing anyone, Jewish or otherwise, they have crossed from being a protest into violence and should not be tolerated.

Jewish students are not being harassed, the Muslim students are, one university had to cancel a valedictorian speech because a Jewish student group said so

Really?

JFC, these people are horrific. As are the simpletons cheering them on.
DP

This is not what the vast majority of protests are about. And you know it.

Very few people in this country are in support of Hamas. Oct 7th was disgusting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

+1000

Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

Yep. An Iranian University has offered full scholarships for the expelled students. It would be hilarious to hear their reasons for declining.

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-shiraz-protesters-palestinian-1896011

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

Why? Seriously asking. Why can't Columbia have the students clean up the grounds because a graduation ceremony needs to take place? Why is Columbia allowing protesters (doesn't matter what side they are on or who they are) to remain on the grounds, not clean up after themselves and dictating what happens on the grounds of the university? Have the police come in and make sure each one understands there is a ceremony that has to occur and they need to leave the campus ASAP. If they don't, they will be evicted. If protesters have already received a warning, evict now. Protest does not mean vandalism defacing the buildings. Take action, Columbia and NYPD!

With all the lawyers out there, a group of families of those expected to graduate this semester need to sue the university for not offering a graduation and for "chaos" to ensue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

This has always been to me one of the most obnoxious suggestions anyone makes whenever someone questions the powers that be. “If you don’t like it, just leave”. Sure, some people might choose to leave (the country because they are worried about a Trump presidency, a blue state because they fear for their safety, a city because it’s too woke, a university because it hasn’t divested from Israel). But most people want to see change happening and press to see change. “Love it or leave it” is really not the only way to proceed.

DP. When normal, mature people don’t get their way and are told no, the adult thing to do is to graciously move on. These protesters are not acting like adults. They’re making demands and acting like spoiled brats when they don’t get their way. Zero sympathy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

+1000

Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

And when those protests devolve into trespassing and hijacking buildings, the police have every right to arrest them. See how this works?
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

+1000

Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

And when those protests devolve into trespassing and hijacking buildings, the police have every right to arrest them. See how this works?
DP

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, this is a question for all pro Israeli posters. In the latest negotiations in Cairo, Hamas agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for an end to the war. However, Netanyahu refused this deal ( per Reuters, I haven’t seen this reported in U.S media).

I have seen hundreds of responses here saying that Hamas can end the killing of their people in one minute if they agree to release the hostages. But now we are finding out that it was never about the hostages, this is about Likud’s intentions for explanding Israel’s foot print and Netanyahu’s struggle to remain in power.

At this point if they don’t invade Rafah, Netanyahu is toast so here we are.

There can be no permanent peace deal unless it includes the immediate disarmament and dissolution of Hamas, and the removal of anybody associated with Hamas from governmental roles in Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas knows this, so they blackballed any negotiations by asking for a permanent peace deal without these stipulations. So Israel rejected the so-called “deal,” like any other country in their situation would have.

Your blind support for Israel is astounding.
Had negotiations gone another way you would be arguing how that is the right decision
Clearly nobody is lily white and spotless!

DP. So, just to be clear: you support Hamas terrorists being in power. I mean, we already knew that, but why don't you come out and say it.

Ugh, as every day passes, it just becomes more and more apparent that the perspectives of people supportive of Israel do not coexist peacefully with the perspectives of the rest of us.

The perspectives of people supportive of Israel do not coexist peacefully with the perspectives of the rest of America?

Do you realize just how inappropriate and outright disgusting that statement is when we have protesters associated with Hamas in our street in our street targeting and attacking Jewish and pro-Jewish residents, calling for genocide against Jews, at attacking Israel’s right to defend itself because of it’s Jewish faith.

It’s not Jewish people (or Israel supporters) who’s perspective does not coexist with the rest of America.

+100
Clearly the PP lives in an airtight echo chamber of likeminded LWNJs. The vast majority of Americans think the pro-Hamas crowd is poisonous.

Almost everyone, including many, many protesters, some of whom are JEWS, are anti-Hamas. The majority of Americans are anti-Hamas. However, some of us do not think Israel has the right to commit genocide in the name of wiping out Hamas.

And it is the RWNJs that have been antisemitic for DECADES. You just conveniently forget that fact as you ignore other facts.

Stop lying.

I saw a display decades ago in college with poetry praising Palestinian bombers. Leftwingers haterd Israel then too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

I would be beyond furious if I was one of the students not involved in this disaster or if I was a tuition-paying parent, only to have my kid’s graduation cancelled. I hope the ahole protesters are proud of themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

Why? Seriously asking. Why can't Columbia have the students clean up the grounds because a graduation ceremony needs to take place? Why is Columbia allowing protesters (doesn't matter what side they are on or who they are) to remain on the grounds, not clean up after themselves and dictating what happens on the grounds of the university? Have the police come in and make sure each one understands there is a ceremony that has to occur and they need to leave the campus ASAP. If they don't, they will be evicted. If protesters have already received a warning, evict now. Protest does not mean vandalism defacing the buildings. Take action, Columbia and NYPD!

With all the lawyers out there, a group of families of those expected to graduate this semester need to sue the university for not offering a graduation and for "chaos" to ensue.

A dozen judges have notified Columbia that they will not hire any grads from there unless there are serious consequences for the criminals.
Really if anyone is chossing to go to Columbia now, they are indicating support for mob rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

+1000

Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

These same people demand purity from Jews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today, around a hundred students assembled at UT, protested for a few hours, and dispersed without incident. Looks like UT has handled this the right way.

I’ll be surprised if this gets any national coverage.

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787169510316818529?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

https://x.com/thedailytexan/status/1787191507725791383?s=61&t=txL8mt-h7Q8BLpSNAiAzrQ

Shame on UT for not protecting their Jewish students and letting Hamas just openly terrorize the campus.

I’ve been as critical of UCLA and Columbia as anyone for not protecting their Jewish students, but UT is drawing the line at the correct place, imo. These students have the right to speak, however offensive their speech may be. They do not have the right to “occupy” the campus and camp in tents and deny access to the campus to people who don’t share their views. The state police cleared out those who previously attempted to do this (a substantial proportion of which were not students), and they stood by today to make sure the protest did not get out of hand. In contrast to Columbia, the protestors said their piece and moved on, because they knew that further actions would not be tolerated. Columbia messed up by not reacting immediately. They kept “negotiating” and ignoring their own deadlines. Because the protestors were determined to have a confrontation, they kept having to push further and further until they did something that couldn’t be ignored. Texas took control immediately and suffered a one day media hit (that was popular in Texas) instead of letting it drag on for weeks. Now, they are allowing the students their first amendment rights, while maintaining control of their campus and protecting the rights of other students. Of course, it will be ignored by the national media.

Of course they have the right to speak. Literally nobody is arguing with you.

They do not have the right to target Jewish students, call for the genocide of all Jews, and/or support a globally recognized terrorist organization.

These “protests” are not saying, “Israel has a right to exist, and their ongoing operation designed to liberate Palestine from Hamas rule should continue, but maybe they should look at their operations and how they can better protect Palestinian civilians,” which is a 100% valid and reasonable stance.

These protestors are arguing that Israel as a country should not exist, and that all Jewish people are guilty of extreme war crimes. They are arguing for “divestment” from Israel, and removal of American aid, much of which goes towards the Iron Dome, a DEFENSIVE system that continues to save Israeli lives. Divestment would harm Israelis, not the Israeli government, while removal of funding for the Iron Dome would be a massive boon for Hamas’ genocidal actions (like 10/7) and goals.

+1000
Pretty astounding this has to be explained at all.

So the content of their speech is offensive to you and therefore should not be allowed? Only the more sanitized version you shared is ok?

Yes - when the protests get to harassing anyone, Jewish or otherwise, they have crossed from being a protest into violence and should not be tolerated.

Jewish students are not being harassed, the Muslim students are, one university had to cancel a valedictorian speech because a Jewish student group said so

Really?

How convenient they hide their face something none of the REAL protestors do.

What are you talking about? ALL of the protesters hide their faces. Nice try, trying to excuse these disgusting antisemites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

Why? Seriously asking. Why can't Columbia have the students clean up the grounds because a graduation ceremony needs to take place? Why is Columbia allowing protesters (doesn't matter what side they are on or who they are) to remain on the grounds, not clean up after themselves and dictating what happens on the grounds of the university? Have the police come in and make sure each one understands there is a ceremony that has to occur and they need to leave the campus ASAP. If they don't, they will be evicted. If protesters have already received a warning, evict now. Protest does not mean vandalism defacing the buildings. Take action, Columbia and NYPD!

With all the lawyers out there, a group of families of those expected to graduate this semester need to sue the university for not offering a graduation and for "chaos" to ensue.

A dozen judges have notified Columbia that they will not hire any grads from there unless there are serious consequences for the criminals.
Really if anyone is chossing to go to Columbia now, they are indicating support for mob rule.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

Incredible that the universities act helpless and don’t expel them instead . They need the money and retention rate and don’t want an admissions backlash . What a joke

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Zero spine. The inmates are running the asylum.