APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:It's not only about under-enrolled. It's also about where there are nearby schools that can absorb the students.

Just answer the question, which ones are under enrolled?

Drew, Discovery, Long Branch, Innovation, Randolph - all currently are or are projected to be more under enrolled than Nottingham. Nottingham isn't even top 5.

Innovation is going to be filled up with hundreds of units from an affordable housing development in Rosslyn in the next 3ish years. Your privilege in not knowing this is astounding.

The question was only which schools were more under enrolled than NES. Sensitive much?

The question came up in the context of which other schools could be closed for underenrollment. Innovation doesn’t fit that description. People on this board love to spew random factoids in a vaccuum.

And you could have added that without lashing out in a very rude way that didn't advance the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s for Montessori, and I think that’s all covered in the current CIP, because it’s part of the CC project. No?

They don’t have enough available funding before they hit their bond limit.

I believe the demolition of Henry is part of the CC project, and included in the cost? And so they need to move Montessori to a swing space to await the renovation of the old CC building. It’s “other” projects, like if an emergency HVAC or roof repair has to happen that isn’t in the current CIP, and that’s the concern. Isn’t this what the plan has always been, what changed was the swing space.

Renovating CC for Montessori is part of the project, yes. But the current Montessori building is not being demolished until the renovation is done and Montessori moves into it. THEN they will demolish the current Montessori building. Montessori does not need swing space. If swing space were available, however, perhaps using it for Montessori could facilitate getting the project done sooner because it could be done in two phases instead of three.

Phase three is just tearing down the current building to make room for athletic fields. There has been no public discussion about using swing space for the Montessori project - I don’t think the timing even lines up.

There has been however discussion about using the existing Montessori building as swing space once the new building is finished instead of tearing it down, but APS claims it isn’t possible. I mean it’ll be an empty school in center of the county so seems perfect. They say it is in too much disrepair but put the $5 million you’re spending on Nottingham into this idea instead.

1. It would cost much more than it would cost to prepare NES as swing space.
2. The space is needed for the outdoor space for the students at the CC site. JROTC students practice on the parking lot which is now about a third covered in trailers. Archery and PE classes, ability to offer some additional extracurriculars perhaps. And all you people complaining about the buses needed for NES?! You want to put a second "all bused" school onto the site? I've seen the Nottingham neighborhood. Have you seen the CC neighborhood?

Part of the plan for Nottingham as a swing space is to vastly reduce the amount of green space by adding multiple additional trailers. There’s no perfect solution. However, MPSA is more central and will be an empty elementary school already, requiring zero redistricting to accommodate this plan.

You’ll still get your green space, it’ll just be delayed. As far as busses go, elementary and high school are not at the same times. No issue.

Where is that plan? I thought part of the complaint is that there is no actual plan.

Yes, the CC site will eventually get its green space, just delayed....by years and years. Newsflash: the whole CC site redevelopment has already been delayed. It is only now getting started after the original working group's work was completely dismissed and they started all over.
By the time that green space arrives under your plan, none of the kids attending any of the schools there currently will ever step foot on it. I'm sure you would accept that for your kid, right?

What do you think the $5 million is for? A new coat of paint?

Cool, sorry it was delayed. But it was. Amazing how it is ok for other schools to take on the burden of the county's needs but when your number is up, start complaining that it isn't fair. The price tag is outrageous - there's a lot that could be done with that money over multiple schools that isn't being done.

OMG. You are truly astoundingly dense.

As to your question, Yes, actually. $5m does include a fresh coat of paint. $5 million is not an exact budget for a precise plan. It is an estimate based on the types of things they think they will need to do, including paint and space for additional buses. Personally, I don't see why it would need much at all if NES isn't in need of a renovation to begin with.

Yes, and that's exactly the problem - no plan! Oh, and NES needs space for additional buses? You mean they are going to add more buses beyond the 2 that currently serve the school? So a significant change from what the school was designed for? So you do admit NES isn't currently capable of handling more buses!

I suspect it could already handle more than two buses. Nevertheless, IDGF whether it can or not. The whole point was what the $5M is for to prepare it as swing space. If that includes changing something to facilitate more buses, fine. Using your logic, you could say the current building has old paint and we have to admit it has old paint. OK. It has old paint. Part of the $5M will go to new paint!

Are you familiar with the site? It sounds like you are not.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not only about under-enrolled. It's also about where there are nearby schools that can absorb the students.

Just answer the question, which ones are under enrolled?

Drew, Discovery, Long Branch, Innovation, Randolph - all currently are or are projected to be more under enrolled than Nottingham. Nottingham isn't even top 5.

Innovation is going to be filled up with hundreds of units from an affordable housing development in Rosslyn in the next 3ish years. Your privilege in not knowing this is astounding.

The question was only which schools were more under enrolled than NES. Sensitive much?

The question came up in the context of which other schools could be closed for underenrollment. Innovation doesn’t fit that description. People on this board love to spew random factoids in a vaccuum.

And you could have added that without lashing out in a very rude way that didn't advance the conversation.

Except it did advance the conversation because now you are aware.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not only about under-enrolled. It's also about where there are nearby schools that can absorb the students.

Just answer the question, which ones are under enrolled?

Drew, Discovery, Long Branch, Innovation, Randolph - all currently are or are projected to be more under enrolled than Nottingham. Nottingham isn't even top 5.

Innovation is going to be filled up with hundreds of units from an affordable housing development in Rosslyn in the next 3ish years. Your privilege in not knowing this is astounding.

Same goes for Randolph (Barcroft apts). The upcoming ES boundary change will move kids from Abingdon to Drew, so it will be full. Discovery is a palace and isn’t going to be made swing space. I don’t know the Long Branch numbed, but they didn’t have only 2 K classes, and the first few multiplexes allowed by MM have been approved in this zone. Really, Nottingham and all the adjacent zones aren’t getting more density any time soon, and the cost of housing is so high that more families are opting for private, so there just isn’t a reason to expect the decline to reverse course.

Ok so Nottingham had 2 K classes last year. But things were weird after pandemic school closure. How many K classes does Nottingham have this year?

Back up to 3. And 3 first grade classes.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not only about under-enrolled. It's also about where there are nearby schools that can absorb the students.

Just answer the question, which ones are under enrolled?

Drew, Discovery, Long Branch, Innovation, Randolph - all currently are or are projected to be more under enrolled than Nottingham. Nottingham isn't even top 5.

Innovation is going to be filled up with hundreds of units from an affordable housing development in Rosslyn in the next 3ish years. Your privilege in not knowing this is astounding.

Same goes for Randolph (Barcroft apts). The upcoming ES boundary change will move kids from Abingdon to Drew, so it will be full. Discovery is a palace and isn’t going to be made swing space. I don’t know the Long Branch numbed, but they didn’t have only 2 K classes, and the first few multiplexes allowed by MM have been approved in this zone. Really, Nottingham and all the adjacent zones aren’t getting more density any time soon, and the cost of housing is so high that more families are opting for private, so there just isn’t a reason to expect the decline to reverse course.

Ok so Nottingham had 2 K classes last year. But things were weird after pandemic school closure. How many K classes does Nottingham have this year?

Back up to 3. And 3 first grade classes.

Thanks, then we can put to bed the claim that N'ham should close cuz it had two Ks. How many schools THIS YEAR have three Ks? or just 2?

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How many kindergartners and how many first graders? Not how many classes. That’s the question.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kindergartners and how many first graders? Not how many classes. That’s the question.

They add another class when numbers max out because there are caps on class size. So the fact that they added a new K class this year is evidence of more kindergarteners than last year. Also it sounds like last year's K class grew too since there are now 3 first grades.

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Not necessarily. They had 49 K last year. They could have added 2-3 kids and then would need 3 kindergartens. But enrollment would still be crazy low (49 is crazy low) compared to other schools. So the number in each grade matters. Are we talking about 75 kids (significant increase) or 52 (not so much).

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I’m gonna assume it’s the latter since otherwise Notties would be telling us the numbers!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m gonna assume it’s the latter since otherwise Notties would be telling us the numbers!

Or it’s a Sunday afternoon and people have things to do that have nothing to do with this website? You should try it sometime!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m gonna assume it’s the latter since otherwise Notties would be telling us the numbers!

How would N'ham parents know the numbers? Do people count up the kids in the grade each year? I don't.

The enrollment numbers come out 9/30, won't this be in there?

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Nottingham had 375 students total at end of September 2023, and the school has capacity for 513. There were 56 Ks in September.

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In September 2022, Nottingham had 410 total, including 49 Ks.

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Anonymous wrote:Not necessarily. They had 49 K last year. They could have added 2-3 kids and then would need 3 kindergartens. But enrollment would still be crazy low (49 is crazy low) compared to other schools. So the number in each grade matters. Are we talking about 75 kids (significant increase) or 52 (not so much).

According to the APS report, Nottingham should have had 3 kindergarten classes last year. This showed up in a report. They exceeded the class size cap by only having two. So all of the ppl who said N'ham must close because they only had 2 K classes last year may want to think again.

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Anonymous wrote:Not necessarily. They had 49 K last year. They could have added 2-3 kids and then would need 3 kindergartens. But enrollment would still be crazy low (49 is crazy low) compared to other schools. So the number in each grade matters. Are we talking about 75 kids (significant increase) or 52 (not so much).

According to the APS report, Nottingham should have had 3 kindergarten classes last year. This showed up in a report. They exceeded the class size cap by only having two. So all of the ppl who said N'ham must close because they only had 2 K classes last year may want to think again.

Give it up. They aren't going to close Nottingham. They probably won't close any school.