Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

She didn't yell and scream and stop making it about those men as the victim when they aren't. She grabbed his phone to see the receipt. If they are such fine men, why not stand up and say your side. The sisters side makes sense.

There is a double standard in your analysis. No woman should assault a man by grabbing at his phone to get her way. If this had been reversed, a man doing this to a group of women, there would be outcry. She should keep her hands to herself.

That was after he shoved the the bike (and her) back into the dock, after she rented it, and then lied about it. He should keep his hands to himself first.
If this were Florida or Texas, and she was packing heat, she could have legally killed him in self defense.

I didn't see video of her getting shoved. Is this what her sister is saying or is there nearby claims to substantiate her claims of being shoved.

The man either grabbed the handle bars and/or back of the bike and pushed it with her on it back into the rack.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

She didn't yell and scream and stop making it about those men as the victim when they aren't. She grabbed his phone to see the receipt. If they are such fine men, why not stand up and say your side. The sisters side makes sense.

There is a double standard in your analysis. No woman should assault a man by grabbing at his phone to get her way. If this had been reversed, a man doing this to a group of women, there would be outcry. She should keep her hands to herself.

She was wrong to grab the phone but she was also probably trying to get her to let her go and he's basically restraining her. If he wanted that bike, his rear end should have been on it holding it. She was probably trying to look at the receipt.

How was he restraining her? He restrained the bike but not her person.

He reached across her pregnant belly to scan his QR code. He touched her then.

He swipped her but it didn't look like he was trying to harm her but he was holding the bike with her on it and that was restraining her.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

Omg she was not screaming bloody murder. Not even close. She yelled for help. A pretty lame yell at that. She was probably exhausted from her shift and just wanted out of the situation.

+100. The hyperbole around her behavior is just as gross as the implicit misogyny. I found her affect to be pretty flat too.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

This is not an accurate description of what happened.

If you cannot make your point without exaggerating, you don't have a point to make. Let me show you how it's done:

The group of young men laughed and jeered at the woman while preventing her from renting the bike. One of them physically tried to displace her on the bike, and she asked him several time to stop touching her and to specifically stop touching her stomach, noting that she was pregnant. When she became visibly upset, they videographer told her that that she was fake crying and then also told her to stop crying. One of the young men in a lavender sweatshirt appeared to disagree with the behavior of the other men, suggesting that it wasn't worth it and they should let her have the bike. After the woman got off the bike, the young men continued to laugh and shout at her, one of them saying the the woman's baby was going to "come out ret***ed."

Tell me where I have lied or exaggerated about what the men in the video did.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

She didn't yell and scream and stop making it about those men as the victim when they aren't. She grabbed his phone to see the receipt. If they are such fine men, why not stand up and say your side. The sisters side makes sense.

There is a double standard in your analysis. No woman should assault a man by grabbing at his phone to get her way. If this had been reversed, a man doing this to a group of women, there would be outcry. She should keep her hands to herself.

That was after he shoved the the bike (and her) back into the dock, after she rented it, and then lied about it. He should keep his hands to himself first.
If this were Florida or Texas, and she was packing heat, she could have legally killed him in self defense.

NP. You would have liked that, eh?

Grow up if you want to talk with the adults

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

She didn't yell and scream and stop making it about those men as the victim when they aren't. She grabbed his phone to see the receipt. If they are such fine men, why not stand up and say your side. The sisters side makes sense.

There is a double standard in your analysis. No woman should assault a man by grabbing at his phone to get her way. If this had been reversed, a man doing this to a group of women, there would be outcry. She should keep her hands to herself.

She was wrong to grab the phone but she was also probably trying to get her to let her go and he's basically restraining her. If he wanted that bike, his rear end should have been on it holding it. She was probably trying to look at the receipt.

How was he restraining her? He restrained the bike but not her person.

That's like claiming a car kidnapped someone if you are locked in the trunk.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

Omg she was not screaming bloody murder. Not even close. She yelled for help. A pretty lame yell at that. She was probably exhausted from her shift and just wanted out of the situation.

And yet for all the yelling she did, the dry tears and such, she immediately went along her merry way when a passerby merely suggested that she try for a different bike. She blanked for a minute, because you could tell that it never occurred to her to just check out the bike right next to the one she was carrying on about. This could have ended much earlier, if they had conveyed that they were waiting for the system to reset and if she had checked out the bike right next to their bike.

Again, why couldn't the men have just gone to the bike next door? She was already sitting on the bike which they had not rented at that point.

You guys are determined to blame her for absolutely everything. Your misogyny is showing.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

She didn't yell and scream and stop making it about those men as the victim when they aren't. She grabbed his phone to see the receipt. If they are such fine men, why not stand up and say your side. The sisters side makes sense.

There is a double standard in your analysis. No woman should assault a man by grabbing at his phone to get her way. If this had been reversed, a man doing this to a group of women, there would be outcry. She should keep her hands to herself.

She was wrong to grab the phone but she was also probably trying to get her to let her go and he's basically restraining her. If he wanted that bike, his rear end should have been on it holding it. She was probably trying to look at the receipt.

How was he restraining her? He restrained the bike but not her person.

He reached across her pregnant belly to scan his QR code. He touched her then.

That doesn't really meet anyone's definition of restraining. Are you the same crazy person who said that she was kidnapped?

The things you are saying don't really exist in reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

Omg she was not screaming bloody murder. Not even close. She yelled for help. A pretty lame yell at that. She was probably exhausted from her shift and just wanted out of the situation.

And yet for all the yelling she did, the dry tears and such, she immediately went along her merry way when a passerby merely suggested that she try for a different bike. She blanked for a minute, because you could tell that it never occurred to her to just check out the bike right next to the one she was carrying on about. This could have ended much earlier, if they had conveyed that they were waiting for the system to reset and if she had checked out the bike right next to their bike.

Again, why couldn't the men have just gone to the bike next door? She was already sitting on the bike which they had not rented at that point.

You guys are determined to blame her for absolutely everything. Your misogyny is showing.

No one seems to want to answer the question of why the one guy didn’t just pick another bike. If she was able to get another one there were clearly several available. Why did he need that specific one?

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Stop trying to say it's a NY thing and accept it's simply a racial and possibly gendered thing. If it was a large group of white women who had rented/used bikes, returned them and were no longer using them, and were standing around, bullying and blocking anyone from accessing them, you're telling me New Yorkers would back them up?! Please. They would be called "entitled" until the cows came home. This is about a kid who was being a jerk and a woman who got attacked and dragged through the mud without a second thought

Sadly, this.

Can you just imagine the visuals of a large group of white women pushing around a smaller black man, taunting him, saying "oh look, don't cry now!" I mean it would literally be an absolute meltdown on twitter. But in this case, not only did this woman NOT get sympathy, she actually got vilified and her life destroyed! I mean, at a certain point we have to reframe "white privilege" if this is the scenario...

Exactly! Ticks me off. I was assaulted by 2 AA men when I was a 16 year old virgin. Never got one dime nor any tears from the city.

Ben Crump, " civil rights" lawyer took this story about the bikes off his website.

I'm so, so sorry that happened to you. I'm wishing you healing and happiness. That is truly horrifying.

Yeah, this vilification of white women, removal of empathy for what white women go through, is sick and disgusting and needs to stop.

Yes, one of the most pressing issues of the 21st century.

DP. Nobody said that; your dramatics just underscore your bitterness.

This is, however, one issue that we need to deal with.

Project much, drama queen? Not sure what you can to to solve this problem that is only a problem to you? Have you donated to the GoFundMe account yet?

Are you the angry troll who is trying to disrupt the thread out of spite? And no, I haven't donated to the GoFundMe.

Why are you complaining about this white women racism problem yet you aren't even willing to do anything to solve the problem?

Oh GTH! I will stop at nothing in my quest to stop misogynists from using the K word! I am doing my part and there are MANY powerful people on DCUM...you have NO IDEA!!

[Anonymous]

Per the sister, it sounds like he rented the bike and used it. He then docked it and after 5-6 minutes, she approached him to use it, he declined (but he wasn't renting/paying for the bike), she asked again, he declined, and she then overrode his no and rented the bike. He was holding the bike, but hadn't paid for it and wasn't paying for it.

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

Omg she was not screaming bloody murder. Not even close. She yelled for help. A pretty lame yell at that. She was probably exhausted from her shift and just wanted out of the situation.

And yet for all the yelling she did, the dry tears and such, she immediately went along her merry way when a passerby merely suggested that she try for a different bike. She blanked for a minute, because you could tell that it never occurred to her to just check out the bike right next to the one she was carrying on about. This could have ended much earlier, if they had conveyed that they were waiting for the system to reset and if she had checked out the bike right next to their bike.

Again, why couldn't the men have just gone to the bike next door? She was already sitting on the bike which they had not rented at that point.

You guys are determined to blame her for absolutely everything. Your misogyny is showing.

No one seems to want to answer the question of why the one guy didn’t just pick another bike. If she was able to get another one there were clearly several available. Why did he need that specific one?

Its unclear. Maybe someone else, one of the other men, gave her their bike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The larger issue here is that she yelled and screamed bloody murder over a bike, which could have ended up causing a much more dangerous situation for the young men. This is why people are upset!!! Even if the teens had the bike, and then redocked it in order to reset the system. While she might have assumed it was free, the way she carried on over a bike is absurd.

In the video we see her attempting to snatch his phone, yell her head off and then carry on about him touching her stomach, even though he narrates to her to stop touching him, she continues to touch him and then make it about her unborn baby.

This is why people are outraged.

She didn't yell and scream and stop making it about those men as the victim when they aren't. She grabbed his phone to see the receipt. If they are such fine men, why not stand up and say your side. The sisters side makes sense.

There is a double standard in your analysis. No woman should assault a man by grabbing at his phone to get her way. If this had been reversed, a man doing this to a group of women, there would be outcry. She should keep her hands to herself.

She was wrong to grab the phone but she was also probably trying to get her to let her go and he's basically restraining her. If he wanted that bike, his rear end should have been on it holding it. She was probably trying to look at the receipt.

How was he restraining her? He restrained the bike but not her person.

He reached across her pregnant belly to scan his QR code. He touched her then.

That doesn't really meet anyone's definition of restraining. Are you the same crazy person who said that she was kidnapped?

The things you are saying don't really exist in reality.

You're arguing in bad faith. Several pp's have explained to you that the guy held onto the bike with her on it, after pushing it back into the dock with her on it. That's bodily restraint.

Then, pp with the kidnapping was making an analogy. Presumably you know what an analogy is, but here you are pretending that was an actual claim.

Also, all your ad hominems are just childish.

If you want to persuade anybody about your position, you need to start arguing in good faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Per the sister, it sounds like he rented the bike and used it. He then docked it and after 5-6 minutes, she approached him to use it, he declined (but he wasn't renting/paying for the bike), she asked again, he declined, and she then overrode his no and rented the bike. He was holding the bike, but hadn't paid for it and wasn't paying for it.

More likely, they were sitting on a bench waiting for the bike to reset. She approached and saw the bike untended, she got on it before the men came close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Per the sister, it sounds like he rented the bike and used it. He then docked it and after 5-6 minutes, she approached him to use it, he declined (but he wasn't renting/paying for the bike), she asked again, he declined, and she then overrode his no and rented the bike. He was holding the bike, but hadn't paid for it and wasn't paying for it.

More likely, they were sitting on a bench waiting for the bike to reset. She approached and saw the bike untended, she got on it before the men came close.

It sounds like from videos of others made from the sister's video, he was standing next to or near the bike. She approached him and asked to use the bike, he said no, she asked again, he said no, but he wasn't renting it so she wanted to get home and rented the bike. He got upset she rented the bike, grabbed the bike to redock it, and at that point he rented the bike (and it sounds like he had planned to rent it again at some point but at that point she rented it, he was not paying for it) to put his claim on it.