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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or, one could just use an objective ranking system and the results would then look like:

VDA 32.91
Pipeline 32.82
FCV 32.06
Arlington 31.88
MD United 31.65
BSC 31.07
Loudoun 30.63
VYS 30.48
SYC 30.31
Metro 30.21
McLean 29.92
Celtic Union 29.42
BRYC 29.35
Baltimore Armour 29.16

Basically there are 4 Tiers:

Tier 1
VDA, Pipeline

Tier 2
FCV, Arlington, MD United, BSC

Tier 3
Loudoun, VYS, SYC, Metro

Tier 4
McLean, Celtic Union, BRYC, Armour

This difference between Tier 2 and 3 is pretty marginal. FCV flirts with Tier 1 but is simply the best of the middle of the pack.

So the key is to look at where the biggest movement will happen next year. With the McLean/SYC merger that group is likely primed for the biggest movement from tier 3 to tier 2. VYS is most likely to drop down through Tier 4 due to a combination of the eventual loss of players as well as playing lower and lower ranked teams.

In general, Tier 2 teams are just a player or two away from moving up to tier 1 but the player has to be a top 5 type player in the area.

Tier 3 teams have the easiest path to join the conversation through a wider variety of adding depth players, development and in game coaching.

Tier 4 teams need major talent infusion, hard to do with the posted records, but McLean has done what it needed to address that need through SYC.

Can you do tiers based on which club has the most obnoxious parents?

No, but keep in mind, all of the teams, regardless of “tiers” are good soccer teams. The tiers is only relational, not absolute. Almost every team is a top ten team in their State but there is separation within the top ten.

The point of the previous post is to downplay the obsession with team rankings. Yes, some are better than others but all of them have talented players all of the teams have dedicated and hard working players.

What all this really shows is the talent level is fairly close but the coaching is not. Some teams get a lot better over the season and while others do not.

[Anonymous]

So basically what you are saying is, no one Club is perfect?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically what you are saying is, no one Club is perfect?!

But VDA is the best and would crush SYC in it's current form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or, one could just use an objective ranking system and the results would then look like:

VDA 32.91
Pipeline 32.82
FCV 32.06
Arlington 31.88
MD United 31.65
BSC 31.07
Loudoun 30.63
VYS 30.48
SYC 30.31
Metro 30.21
McLean 29.92
Celtic Union 29.42
BRYC 29.35
Baltimore Armour 29.16

Basically there are 4 Tiers:

Tier 1
VDA, Pipeline

Tier 2
FCV, Arlington, MD United, BSC

Tier 3
Loudoun, VYS, SYC, Metro

Tier 4
McLean, Celtic Union, BRYC, Armour

This difference between Tier 2 and 3 is pretty marginal. FCV flirts with Tier 1 but is simply the best of the middle of the pack.

So the key is to look at where the biggest movement will happen next year. With the McLean/SYC merger that group is likely primed for the biggest movement from tier 3 to tier 2. VYS is most likely to drop down through Tier 4 due to a combination of the eventual loss of players as well as playing lower and lower ranked teams.

In general, Tier 2 teams are just a player or two away from moving up to tier 1 but the player has to be a top 5 type player in the area.

Tier 3 teams have the easiest path to join the conversation through a wider variety of adding depth players, development and in game coaching.

Tier 4 teams need major talent infusion, hard to do with the posted records, but McLean has done what it needed to address that need through SYC.

Where can this be found??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or, one could just use an objective ranking system and the results would then look like:

VDA 32.91
Pipeline 32.82
FCV 32.06
Arlington 31.88
MD United 31.65
BSC 31.07
Loudoun 30.63
VYS 30.48
SYC 30.31
Metro 30.21
McLean 29.92
Celtic Union 29.42
BRYC 29.35
Baltimore Armour 29.16

Basically there are 4 Tiers:

Tier 1
VDA, Pipeline

Tier 2
FCV, Arlington, MD United, BSC

Tier 3
Loudoun, VYS, SYC, Metro

Tier 4
McLean, Celtic Union, BRYC, Armour

This difference between Tier 2 and 3 is pretty marginal. FCV flirts with Tier 1 but is simply the best of the middle of the pack.

So the key is to look at where the biggest movement will happen next year. With the McLean/SYC merger that group is likely primed for the biggest movement from tier 3 to tier 2. VYS is most likely to drop down through Tier 4 due to a combination of the eventual loss of players as well as playing lower and lower ranked teams.

In general, Tier 2 teams are just a player or two away from moving up to tier 1 but the player has to be a top 5 type player in the area.

Tier 3 teams have the easiest path to join the conversation through a wider variety of adding depth players, development and in game coaching.

Tier 4 teams need major talent infusion, hard to do with the posted records, but McLean has done what it needed to address that need through SYC.

Where can this be found??

Where can what be found? The numbers? They come from Youth Soccer Rankings. You can use the numbers to project the “spread” so to speak against a potential head to head matchup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be clear, SYC clapped the Sh$^ out of Arlington GA (now ECNL) very badly (Arlington dads and moms were losing their minds as their DDs were outplayed/outworked/outcoached/outsmarted - please check prior posts around ASIST) and BSC ECNL (got b$t$ handed back to them LOL). They beat BRYC ECNL (not a great team) but the best one available for a good ole fashioned ass whooping!!

DMV best teams in order without question:

VDA
SYC
BSC
Loudoun
Maryland United
FCV
Coppermine
Arlington GA/ECNL
VYS

Here, more realistic with notes.

1. VDA (Undisputed Queen of DMV)
2. Pipeline (Beat MD United 2x)
3. MD United (Beat Bethesda 2x this year, also beat FCV last fall 4-0)
4. FCV GA (2nd in GA, beat Arlington 2x, 4-0 loss to MD United)
5. FC Frederick (Beat Bethesda 2x, just beat MD United ECNL, last loss was on April 2nd to Bethesda)
6. VYS (Beat SYC, Loudoun, and tied Arlington)
7. Bethesda ECNL (Beat Loudoun 2x; SYC in fact played the 2009 ECNL team in place of the 2008s in EDP)
8. Loudoun ECNL (Tied VDA 2x, two losses to Bethesda)
9. SYC (Beat Arlington GA and Beach FC, SYC in fact played the 2009 ECNL team in place of the 2008s in EDP, losses to VYS and MD Rush)
10. Arlington GA (Beat MD United, Lost to SYC, FCV 2x, and tied VYS)

This is pretty accurate- though i would put FC Frederick 6th behind SYC at 5. Then the rest is accurate. FC Frederick just won the top division of Columbia beating MD United in the final. They lost only 2 league games in CCL to SYC and Beach. They like the post above said- beat Bethesda twice, once in State Cup Semi's. They also beat Coppermine 2 times and Baltimore Union GA 08's 3-0 in a november friendly. They play for the MD state cup final this weekend vs. md so rush Kraken. SYC already advanced to regionals through the back door NCSL super group and league championships. If they keep Tupy and all his SYC girls and add some Mclean girls without drama- that Virginia Union team will be really good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be clear, SYC clapped the Sh$^ out of Arlington GA (now ECNL) very badly (Arlington dads and moms were losing their minds as their DDs were outplayed/outworked/outcoached/outsmarted - please check prior posts around ASIST) and BSC ECNL (got b$t$ handed back to them LOL). They beat BRYC ECNL (not a great team) but the best one available for a good ole fashioned ass whooping!!

DMV best teams in order without question:

VDA
SYC
BSC
Loudoun
Maryland United
FCV
Coppermine
Arlington GA/ECNL
VYS

Here, more realistic with notes.

1. VDA (Undisputed Queen of DMV)
2. Pipeline (Beat MD United 2x)
3. MD United (Beat Bethesda 2x this year, also beat FCV last fall 4-0)
4. FCV GA (2nd in GA, beat Arlington 2x, 4-0 loss to MD United)
5. FC Frederick (Beat Bethesda 2x, just beat MD United ECNL, last loss was on April 2nd to Bethesda)
6. VYS (Beat SYC, Loudoun, and tied Arlington)
7. Bethesda ECNL (Beat Loudoun 2x; SYC in fact played the 2009 ECNL team in place of the 2008s in EDP)
8. Loudoun ECNL (Tied VDA 2x, two losses to Bethesda)
9. SYC (Beat Arlington GA and Beach FC, SYC in fact played the 2009 ECNL team in place of the 2008s in EDP, losses to VYS and MD Rush)
10. Arlington GA (Beat MD United, Lost to SYC, FCV 2x, and tied VYS)

This is pretty accurate- though i would put FC Frederick 6th behind SYC at 5. Then the rest is accurate. FC Frederick just won the top division of Columbia beating MD United in the final. They lost only 2 league games in CCL to SYC and Beach. They like the post above said- beat Bethesda twice, once in State Cup Semi's. They also beat Coppermine 2 times and Baltimore Union GA 08's 3-0 in a november friendly. They play for the MD state cup final this weekend vs. md so rush Kraken. SYC already advanced to regionals through the back door NCSL super group and league championships. If they keep Tupy and all his SYC girls and add some Mclean girls without drama- that Virginia Union team will be really good

Why do you keep pushing Maryland United? They lost to Arlington and SYC beat Arlington. Beating BSC is not like beating a top team. They do not make the top 3.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:Here is the overall Region 1 rankings, which includes all DMV teams on one page. Too bad we cannot just limit the results to the DMV. Oh well.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/13/Girls/

I have been updating my spreadsheet, but I'll wait to post it in a week or two when all matches are complete.

Regional rankings cast to wide a net for the purposes of this discussion. But it does put into light how diluted our little pocket is when you see how few of our DMV teams even crack the top 20.

But, the same tiered approach can be applied. The difference in tiers regionally would be clumped in larger groups of 10’s and 20’s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

FPYCparent wrote:Here is the overall Region 1 rankings, which includes all DMV teams on one page. Too bad we cannot just limit the results to the DMV. Oh well.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/13/Girls/

I have been updating my spreadsheet, but I'll wait to post it in a week or two when all matches are complete.

Regional rankings cast to wide a net for the purposes of this discussion. But it does put into light how diluted our little pocket is when you see how few of our DMV teams even crack the top 20.

But, the same tiered approach can be applied. The difference in tiers regionally would be clumped in larger groups of 10’s and 20’s

Who cares! These are not PRO teams playing in a PRO league. College recruiters will not be checking the team record of 12yos, they will be recruiting the individual athlete when recruiting time comes.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:I CARE about my DD's enjoyment and growth as it relates to the sport of soccer. I want to know that my investment is providing an appropriately competitive environment for her. I am not interested in having my DD play on the best team. I am solely interested in providing an opportunity for her to play at a level that's best for her.

Outside of attending every area game in DD's age group, YSR is the best thing I've got for gaining some perspective on the youth soccer landscape where my DD competes. If all of the her team's opponents are in the same YSR range and the outcomes are reasonable, I'm content.

I think it would be helpful to post the rankings at the start of the year and the end of the year. There are major problems with the ranking but maybe a pattern would emerge where you can ID teams and clubs that seems to have better results/development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

FPYCparent wrote:I CARE about my DD's enjoyment and growth as it relates to the sport of soccer. I want to know that my investment is providing an appropriately competitive environment for her. I am not interested in having my DD play on the best team. I am solely interested in providing an opportunity for her to play at a level that's best for her.

Outside of attending every area game in DD's age group, YSR is the best thing I've got for gaining some perspective on the youth soccer landscape where my DD competes. If all of the her team's opponents are in the same YSR range and the outcomes are reasonable, I'm content.

I think it would be helpful to post the rankings at the start of the year and the end of the year. There are major problems with the ranking but maybe a pattern would emerge where you can ID teams and clubs that seems to have better results/development.

Ideally, you would know how teams changed over time as well, including where first team U9 players end up and where top u15 players came from. That is the only way you can tell what is really going on year over year. But yes, seeing where teams were at beginning and end can tell you whether the team may have improved over the course of the year. Injuries to top players can have major impacts as well, though everybody seems to think it doesn’t matter. It certainly can depending on the player and team. And some teams are definitely affected more than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FPYCparent wrote:Here is the overall Region 1 rankings, which includes all DMV teams on one page. Too bad we cannot just limit the results to the DMV. Oh well.

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/Region1/13/Girls/

I have been updating my spreadsheet, but I'll wait to post it in a week or two when all matches are complete.

Regional rankings cast to wide a net for the purposes of this discussion. But it does put into light how diluted our little pocket is when you see how few of our DMV teams even crack the top 20.

But, the same tiered approach can be applied. The difference in tiers regionally would be clumped in larger groups of 10’s and 20’s

Who cares! These are not PRO teams playing in a PRO league. College recruiters will not be checking the team record of 12yos, they will be recruiting the individual athlete when recruiting time comes.

My point isn't to suggest a absolute rankings at all. My point is simply this, these teams are all competitive but competitive within clumps. And as good as say VDA is, based on the Regional list there are teams who VDA might never be able to beat but would still be competitive against just within the Region. Zoom out nationally and VDA slides down even further.

So the overall message is this, we are relatively small fish in a very diluted pond.

[Anonymous]

These rankings are meaningless. Teams like SYC and VYS beat the likes of Loudoun ECNL, Arliington GA, FCV GA, Bethesda ECNL, but are ranked lower than the teams they beat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These rankings are meaningless. Teams like SYC and VYS beat the likes of Loudoun ECNL, Arliington GA, FCV GA, Bethesda ECNL, but are ranked lower than the teams they beat.

They are not meaningless as teams get older and if there is kore than a 1 point difference between teams. They would be better if they reflected only league play, and if all leagues reported soccer. Guest players in tournaments can really skew results and make good teams look like world-beaters. The problem is that tournaments are the only way you can really produce more meaningful rankings by obtaining results from teams from different leagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These rankings are meaningless. Teams like SYC and VYS beat the likes of Loudoun ECNL, Arliington GA, FCV GA, Bethesda ECNL, but are ranked lower than the teams they beat.

SMH, rankings are all relative buddy. You can’t just count your “good” games. YSR is just a predictive tool with a ranking next to team name. If it was always right, we wouldn’t play games. There will be upsets of both good and bad teams. The system is all based on goal differential and teams are linked through a “six degrees of separation” method. It’s much better than GotSoccer points and helps tournament directors balance brackets much easier.

For example, while SYC got a boost for beating Bethesda (even though it was the 2009 team and just ask how badly they were beaten in scrimmage by the 08s a month earlier...) SYC also lost 3-0 to a lesser ranked Southern MD Rush team a couple weeks ago. That 3-0 loss is more damaging than the win over Bethesda thanks to goal differential.

Also, that VYS over FCV was over a year and half ago. Games lose they’re value on YSR after 18 months, as they should!

Same thing goes for any other team. The teams that climb in their PI index are those teams that always cover the prediction. It’s an extremely fair system where you are rewarded for good performances and punished for bad ones. VDA has been the most consistent even with two ties to Loudoun.