Will fall 2021 mean full IP classes?

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It seems like every day, we get a new article saying "I'm usually pro-union, but I've had it with teachers' unions." Here's today's, written by an epidemiologist who's on the front lines of the pandemic:

https://www.vox.com/2021/2/15/22280763/kids-covid-vaccine-teachers-unions-schools-reopening-cdc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids have had a decent year with distance learning and their teachers are great. I completely understand why in-person schooling has been closed.
I work in healthcare and it's been a nerve wracking year.

That said, we will move and leave DC if school is not in-person next fall. We have portable jobs. I know a lot of people in our position. It's pretty much
the only thing parents at our school and my friend group are talking about. We're all transplants from other areas who came here in our 20's or 30s and
have always wondered (since having kids) "will/should I move back home?" Heck, i was talking to a TEACHER at our school who has a daughter entering
kindergarten in the fall (different district) and she is going to move if school is not in person.


I harbor NO ill will against teachers for this year but I also will not put my kids in another year of distance learning.
I think there are countless families like us in this position. Our homes will be bought by the next wave of pregnant families.

+1

We are debating leaving too. We can't take the WTU's antics anymore. I never thought I'd utter these words, but we just want to live somewhere where our kids are allowed to go to school.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile schools in New York City have been open for months and it's been NBD.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html

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Anonymous wrote:I'm hoping for hybrid in Fall, 2021, and then maybe full IP in Fall, 2022. If by some miracle there's a pediatric vaccine by Winter, 2021. Otherwise I'd imagine we will be in hybrid until 2023? Whenever there's a pediatric vaccine.

Note: I don't think that's scientifically the right thing. I think that's what the DMV teachers' unions will allow.

Then the DMV teachers unions need to be busted. At some point we need to start following the science and doing right by the kids, like the rest of the world.

What part of the rest of the world are you speaking of? Not Germany, the UK, Denmark ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-schools-are-closing-again-on-concerns-they-spread-covid-19-11610805601

Many elementary schools in Germany are staying open on a hybrid basis, even through this lockdown. I know because my kids are in school there right now.

Not only that, they are bringing back graduating high school classes this week. My brother is a teacher in Berlin and just went back in person.

Not to mention that Germany has had fully open schools all fall and can therefore afford to close for a limited amount of time. They'll be back full-time for all while we'll still be doing DL and fighting over hybrid spots. (And of course, Germany would never so such an inequitable thing as offering IPL spots by lottery, excluding part of the kids. It's either DL for all or IPL for all.)

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

I'm seeing that, but isn't that because most of you go to non-title 1 schools? One child go to an NE school and I've found when I've made a helpful suggestion to the teacher they've listened or sent out a survey to all the families in the class to gauge what everyone else needs too. The other a NW school....and well...let's say I've had to make A LOT of complaints to admin. The teacher was always missing my child's sessions or cancelling over and over.

I'm starting to see a pattern in this thread where teachers in NW schools are horrible online, makes me wonder if in person was really all that great. Or it just seems that way because we donate so much for them to have more resources.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

I'm seeing that, but isn't that because most of you go to non-title 1 schools? One child go to an NE school and I've found when I've made a helpful suggestion to the teacher they've listened or sent out a survey to all the families in the class to gauge what everyone else needs too. The other a NW school....and well...let's say I've had to make A LOT of complaints to admin. The teacher was always missing my child's sessions or cancelling over and over.

I'm starting to see a pattern in this thread where teachers in NW schools are horrible online, makes me wonder if in person was really all that great. Or it just seems that way because we donate so much for them to have more resources.

I am not saying it is a problem of the teachers doing a poor job. Ours (upper NW school) is doing fine. But it is still much harder for the kids to follow while staring at a screen, and school is about so much more than transmitting content. Kids should be learning with their peers in a classroom. DL is just an inherently poor substitute for real school. This is the expert consensus by now, and I shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

I'm seeing that, but isn't that because most of you go to non-title 1 schools? One child go to an NE school and I've found when I've made a helpful suggestion to the teacher they've listened or sent out a survey to all the families in the class to gauge what everyone else needs too. The other a NW school....and well...let's say I've had to make A LOT of complaints to admin. The teacher was always missing my child's sessions or cancelling over and over.

I'm starting to see a pattern in this thread where teachers in NW schools are horrible online, makes me wonder if in person was really all that great. Or it just seems that way because we donate so much for them to have more resources.

I am not saying it is a problem of the teachers doing a poor job. Ours (upper NW school) is doing fine. But it is still much harder for the kids to follow while staring at a screen, and school is about so much more than transmitting content. Kids should be learning with their peers in a classroom. DL is just an inherently poor substitute for real school. This is the expert consensus by now, and I shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anymore.

+1. My children’s teachers are thoughtful, kind, energetic, and responsive. And my children hate DL. For us, DL — not the teachers — is definitely the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

I'm seeing that, but isn't that because most of you go to non-title 1 schools? One child go to an NE school and I've found when I've made a helpful suggestion to the teacher they've listened or sent out a survey to all the families in the class to gauge what everyone else needs too. The other a NW school....and well...let's say I've had to make A LOT of complaints to admin. The teacher was always missing my child's sessions or cancelling over and over.

I'm starting to see a pattern in this thread where teachers in NW schools are horrible online, makes me wonder if in person was really all that great. Or it just seems that way because we donate so much for them to have more resources.

I am not saying it is a problem of the teachers doing a poor job. Ours (upper NW school) is doing fine. But it is still much harder for the kids to follow while staring at a screen, and school is about so much more than transmitting content. Kids should be learning with their peers in a classroom. DL is just an inherently poor substitute for real school. This is the expert consensus by now, and I shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anymore.

Yes but there are still DL experiences that are better than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

I'm seeing that, but isn't that because most of you go to non-title 1 schools? One child go to an NE school and I've found when I've made a helpful suggestion to the teacher they've listened or sent out a survey to all the families in the class to gauge what everyone else needs too. The other a NW school....and well...let's say I've had to make A LOT of complaints to admin. The teacher was always missing my child's sessions or cancelling over and over.

I'm starting to see a pattern in this thread where teachers in NW schools are horrible online, makes me wonder if in person was really all that great. Or it just seems that way because we donate so much for them to have more resources.

I am not saying it is a problem of the teachers doing a poor job. Ours (upper NW school) is doing fine. But it is still much harder for the kids to follow while staring at a screen, and school is about so much more than transmitting content. Kids should be learning with their peers in a classroom. DL is just an inherently poor substitute for real school. This is the expert consensus by now, and I shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anymore.

No, you shouldn't have to spell it out. I feel like my kids, in 3rd and 5th grades, learn more during two days in hybrid, and finds more happiness/inspiration, than all week via DL. I wouldn't have had my head around the poor substitute issue in March, or even in Sept. By February, the limitations of DL for the age group are writ large for all of us in this house.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

I'm seeing that, but isn't that because most of you go to non-title 1 schools? One child go to an NE school and I've found when I've made a helpful suggestion to the teacher they've listened or sent out a survey to all the families in the class to gauge what everyone else needs too. The other a NW school....and well...let's say I've had to make A LOT of complaints to admin. The teacher was always missing my child's sessions or cancelling over and over.

I'm starting to see a pattern in this thread where teachers in NW schools are horrible online, makes me wonder if in person was really all that great. Or it just seems that way because we donate so much for them to have more resources.

I have a sample size of 1, but my kid's NW PK4 teacher is phenomenal with online teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

A low blow deserves a low blow.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are never going back full time. There will always be a variant or some excuse. With Wednesdays off and intermittent naps, would you go back and wrangle 25 kindergartners? I didn’t think so.

Sounds like you are going through a divorce. You should do something about your rage.

You are odd.

She was just desperate to find something personally insulting to say to the PP and couldn't think of anything less of a non sequitur.

Saying teachers are taking naps during work hours seems desperate too. My DS is currently busy in his small reading group. And my DD is enjoying IPL.

That's awesome for your kids, but they are an exception.

My PK4 student has learned how to read this year. IPL isn't perfect, but she is learning. Her teacher is not taking naps during the work day.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My kids are going to school in person full time (they will wear masks if necessary). Even if we have to go stay with grandparents in another state, I absolutely refuse to do distance learning beyond the end of this year.

Same. DCs tax base will take a beating. There will be teacher layoffs. No one is sticking around for fall hybrid.

Us, too. One of us will go stay with grandparents in the fall if we don't have access to full-time school we can afford in the DC Metro area. My 8-year-old just isn't learning enough, and isn't happy enough with hybrid. I've have more than enough of the stress the dearth of in-person learning is placing on our whole family. We won't put up with another season of this travesty.

Same. My real question is: does anyone care? Isn't city and school leadership, and most teachers and the WTU, sending a strong message - don't let the door hit you on the way out? We don't want you white people in our school district messing up things anyhow? The upper NW schools are overcrowded and make the city look bad because of how they provide a better education for the white people, and the gentrifying schools are in even worse shape, with annoying white parents trying to open them and hoard education and stuff.

I am seriously getting that strong hint, and considering where to move or which private schools to try for. Don't really like going where I'm not wanted.

My favorite meeting this year:
Dad demanded a meeting with teachers, school admin and a central office rep. Brought articles on schools opening in Europe and wonder why...WHY our school can't open. Yelling, moaning. Finally, threatens to buy a 2nd home so his children can go to a school in Vermont.
Without blinking an eye, the central office representative provided steps to unenroll and to make sure to do so immediately. Our schools waitlist is ridiculous. His child's spot was filled the day after the father submitted the forms.

All of the parents who LOVE urban education, ADORE raising a city kid, CLAIM diversity is SOOOO important: The world will continue to spin without you. This is a rough year but DCPS and other urban school districts will prevail- with or without you.

So go. Go back to Ohio or Indiana or wherever you are originally from. Go back to your hometowns. Do whats best for you and your child but you can leave with some grace.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My kids are going to school in person full time (they will wear masks if necessary). Even if we have to go stay with grandparents in another state, I absolutely refuse to do distance learning beyond the end of this year.

Same. DCs tax base will take a beating. There will be teacher layoffs. No one is sticking around for fall hybrid.

Us, too. One of us will go stay with grandparents in the fall if we don't have access to full-time school we can afford in the DC Metro area. My 8-year-old just isn't learning enough, and isn't happy enough with hybrid. I've have more than enough of the stress the dearth of in-person learning is placing on our whole family. We won't put up with another season of this travesty.

Same. My real question is: does anyone care? Isn't city and school leadership, and most teachers and the WTU, sending a strong message - don't let the door hit you on the way out? We don't want you white people in our school district messing up things anyhow? The upper NW schools are overcrowded and make the city look bad because of how they provide a better education for the white people, and the gentrifying schools are in even worse shape, with annoying white parents trying to open them and hoard education and stuff.

I am seriously getting that strong hint, and considering where to move or which private schools to try for. Don't really like going where I'm not wanted.

My favorite meeting this year:
Dad demanded a meeting with teachers, school admin and a central office rep. Brought articles on schools opening in Europe and wonder why...WHY our school can't open. Yelling, moaning. Finally, threatens to buy a 2nd home so his children can go to a school in Vermont.
Without blinking an eye, the central office representative provided steps to unenroll and to make sure to do so immediately. Our schools waitlist is ridiculous. His child's spot was filled the day after the father submitted the forms.

All of the parents who LOVE urban education, ADORE raising a city kid, CLAIM diversity is SOOOO important: The world will continue to spin without you. This is a rough year but DCPS and other urban school districts will prevail- with or without you.

So go. Go back to Ohio or Indiana or wherever you are originally from. Go back to your hometowns. Do whats best for you and your child but you can leave with some grace.

Were you in the meeting or did you just hear about it?