Will fall 2021 mean full IP classes?

[Anonymous]

Per Wilson back to school tonight (for 2nd semester), no we will not be back full time IP in the fall. Hybrid or DL.

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I didn’t hear that we wouldn’t be back.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t hear that we wouldn’t be back.

Did you hear Martin's opening?

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How can they make a fall decision when it's February? There could possibly be zero virus circulating by then.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t hear that we wouldn’t be back.

Did you hear Martin's opening?

Yes, and she didn’t say we wouldn’t be back.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm hoping for hybrid in Fall, 2021, and then maybe full IP in Fall, 2022. If by some miracle there's a pediatric vaccine by Winter, 2021. Otherwise I'd imagine we will be in hybrid until 2023? Whenever there's a pediatric vaccine.

Note: I don't think that's scientifically the right thing. I think that's what the DMV teachers' unions will allow.

Then the DMV teachers unions need to be busted. At some point we need to start following the science and doing right by the kids, like the rest of the world.

What part of the rest of the world are you speaking of? Not Germany, the UK, Denmark ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-schools-are-closing-again-on-concerns-they-spread-covid-19-11610805601

Many elementary schools in Germany are staying open on a hybrid basis, even through this lockdown. I know because my kids are in school there right now.

Not only that, they are bringing back graduating high school classes this week. My brother is a teacher in Berlin and just went back in person.

Not to mention that Germany has had fully open schools all fall and can therefore afford to close for a limited amount of time. They'll be back full-time for all while we'll still be doing DL and fighting over hybrid spots. (And of course, Germany would never so such an inequitable thing as offering IPL spots by lottery, excluding part of the kids. It's either DL for all or IPL for all.

By the way, Germany also has teachers’ unions, and very strong support for parents including the monetary support of Kindergeld (219 Euros per month foe the first two children), as well as universal health insurance that means that if, say, you get coronavirus because you are a school staff member and you end up being one of the unlucky long-haul Covid sufferers and can’t go back to work because of your medical condition you will not have to lose your job AND your health insurance. (And before the pandemic there were a lot of elementary schools that closed for the day between 12:15 and 1 pm which kind of sucks if you’re a working mom too... there are more Ganztagschule now but I still remember my German friends being astonished at the fact that my kid went to school until 3:30 in first grade.)

Yes, Germany has done a lot right in the pandemic but part of why they were able to do it is because they have social safety nets that do not exist in the US. A one-time payment in May and another one in January versus monthly payments such that people could live on them is another way in which the US is very different.

The social safety net always gets brought up as an explanation for why Germany could do with schools what they did and an excuse for why the US can't. It is not convincing if you have closely followed the discussion about schools in Germany and here. There are many other factors at work, none of which shed a favorable light on the US' attitude towards education, kids, women in the workforce, communal good like public schools, facts and science. Having a social safety net that will help you in the case you catch Covid is not why German teachers were willing to go back, or why German leadership at the state level (in charge of education) pushed for open schools even when the RKI wanted them to be more cautious. The German teachers union (GEW, one organization, not lots of local unions) is pretty much powerless because they don't have the political clout unions enjoy here at the local level.

Also, not sure where you get the idea that Germany was doling out a monthly income to people because of Covid. In fact, the distribution of financial aid to affected businesses was a mess and had people are waiting for their checks for months. As for the Kindergeld, it is designed as a tax credit, except it is paid monthly vs annually as it is here. I was looking into applying for it when we lived in Germany a few years ago and it wouldn't have been worth the hassle because it would have been not much more than what we get here, and of course you cannot receive it in both countries for the same year.

So please let's stop finding excuses for why the examples of other countries cannot possibly apply here. It verges on gaslighting and is evidence of this country's state of denial when it comes to the school fiasco.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm hoping for hybrid in Fall, 2021, and then maybe full IP in Fall, 2022. If by some miracle there's a pediatric vaccine by Winter, 2021. Otherwise I'd imagine we will be in hybrid until 2023? Whenever there's a pediatric vaccine.

Note: I don't think that's scientifically the right thing. I think that's what the DMV teachers' unions will allow.

Then the DMV teachers unions need to be busted. At some point we need to start following the science and doing right by the kids, like the rest of the world.

What part of the rest of the world are you speaking of? Not Germany, the UK, Denmark ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-schools-are-closing-again-on-concerns-they-spread-covid-19-11610805601

Many elementary schools in Germany are staying open on a hybrid basis, even through this lockdown. I know because my kids are in school there right now.

Not only that, they are bringing back graduating high school classes this week. My brother is a teacher in Berlin and just went back in person.

Not to mention that Germany has had fully open schools all fall and can therefore afford to close for a limited amount of time. They'll be back full-time for all while we'll still be doing DL and fighting over hybrid spots. (And of course, Germany would never so such an inequitable thing as offering IPL spots by lottery, excluding part of the kids. It's either DL for all or IPL for all.

By the way, Germany also has teachers’ unions, and very strong support for parents including the monetary support of Kindergeld (219 Euros per month foe the first two children), as well as universal health insurance that means that if, say, you get coronavirus because you are a school staff member and you end up being one of the unlucky long-haul Covid sufferers and can’t go back to work because of your medical condition you will not have to lose your job AND your health insurance. (And before the pandemic there were a lot of elementary schools that closed for the day between 12:15 and 1 pm which kind of sucks if you’re a working mom too... there are more Ganztagschule now but I still remember my German friends being astonished at the fact that my kid went to school until 3:30 in first grade.)

Yes, Germany has done a lot right in the pandemic but part of why they were able to do it is because they have social safety nets that do not exist in the US. A one-time payment in May and another one in January versus monthly payments such that people could live on them is another way in which the US is very different.

The social safety net always gets brought up as an explanation for why Germany could do with schools what they did and an excuse for why the US can't. It is not convincing if you have closely followed the discussion about schools in Germany and here. There are many other factors at work, none of which shed a favorable light on the US' attitude towards education, kids, women in the workforce, communal good like public schools, facts and science. Having a social safety net that will help you in the case you catch Covid is not why German teachers were willing to go back, or why German leadership at the state level (in charge of education) pushed for open schools even when the RKI wanted them to be more cautious. The German teachers union (GEW, one organization, not lots of local unions) is pretty much powerless because they don't have the political clout unions enjoy here at the local level.

Also, not sure where you get the idea that Germany was doling out a monthly income to people because of Covid. In fact, the distribution of financial aid to affected businesses was a mess and had people are waiting for their checks for months. As for the Kindergeld, it is designed as a tax credit, except it is paid monthly vs annually as it is here. I was looking into applying for it when we lived in Germany a few years ago and it wouldn't have been worth the hassle because it would have been not much more than what we get here, and of course you cannot receive it in both countries for the same year.

So please let's stop finding excuses for why the examples of other countries cannot possibly apply here. It verges on gaslighting and is evidence of this country's state of denial when it comes to the school fiasco.

Please point me to a single instance of Germans undergoing medical bankruptcy, if you’re going to argue that the social safety net is irrelevant. If you lose your job with insurance in the US, because, for instance, you’re unable to work because you’ve had a disease with crippling after effects, you lose your insurance unless you can afford COBRA, which many cannot because it’s really expensive. Germans didn’t use that social safety net as a reason they were willing to go back because they have never lived WITHOUT it.

Where did I get the idea that the German government (and other European governments) were helping consumers and businesses out? I don’t know, maybe here: https://twitter.com/liamthorpecho/status/1361959447971643392?s=21

Or here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-boosts-already-hefty-coronavirus-stimulus-11598440184

Or here: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52920516

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Anonymous wrote:I'm hoping for hybrid in Fall, 2021, and then maybe full IP in Fall, 2022. If by some miracle there's a pediatric vaccine by Winter, 2021. Otherwise I'd imagine we will be in hybrid until 2023? Whenever there's a pediatric vaccine.

Note: I don't think that's scientifically the right thing. I think that's what the DMV teachers' unions will allow.

Then the DMV teachers unions need to be busted. At some point we need to start following the science and doing right by the kids, like the rest of the world.

What part of the rest of the world are you speaking of? Not Germany, the UK, Denmark ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-schools-are-closing-again-on-concerns-they-spread-covid-19-11610805601

Many elementary schools in Germany are staying open on a hybrid basis, even through this lockdown. I know because my kids are in school there right now.

Not only that, they are bringing back graduating high school classes this week. My brother is a teacher in Berlin and just went back in person.

Not to mention that Germany has had fully open schools all fall and can therefore afford to close for a limited amount of time. They'll be back full-time for all while we'll still be doing DL and fighting over hybrid spots. (And of course, Germany would never so such an inequitable thing as offering IPL spots by lottery, excluding part of the kids. It's either DL for all or IPL for all.

By the way, Germany also has teachers’ unions, and very strong support for parents including the monetary support of Kindergeld (219 Euros per month foe the first two children), as well as universal health insurance that means that if, say, you get coronavirus because you are a school staff member and you end up being one of the unlucky long-haul Covid sufferers and can’t go back to work because of your medical condition you will not have to lose your job AND your health insurance. (And before the pandemic there were a lot of elementary schools that closed for the day between 12:15 and 1 pm which kind of sucks if you’re a working mom too... there are more Ganztagschule now but I still remember my German friends being astonished at the fact that my kid went to school until 3:30 in first grade.)

Yes, Germany has done a lot right in the pandemic but part of why they were able to do it is because they have social safety nets that do not exist in the US. A one-time payment in May and another one in January versus monthly payments such that people could live on them is another way in which the US is very different.

The social safety net always gets brought up as an explanation for why Germany could do with schools what they did and an excuse for why the US can't. It is not convincing if you have closely followed the discussion about schools in Germany and here. There are many other factors at work, none of which shed a favorable light on the US' attitude towards education, kids, women in the workforce, communal good like public schools, facts and science. Having a social safety net that will help you in the case you catch Covid is not why German teachers were willing to go back, or why German leadership at the state level (in charge of education) pushed for open schools even when the RKI wanted them to be more cautious. The German teachers union (GEW, one organization, not lots of local unions) is pretty much powerless because they don't have the political clout unions enjoy here at the local level.

Also, not sure where you get the idea that Germany was doling out a monthly income to people because of Covid. In fact, the distribution of financial aid to affected businesses was a mess and had people are waiting for their checks for months. As for the Kindergeld, it is designed as a tax credit, except it is paid monthly vs annually as it is here. I was looking into applying for it when we lived in Germany a few years ago and it wouldn't have been worth the hassle because it would have been not much more than what we get here, and of course you cannot receive it in both countries for the same year.

So please let's stop finding excuses for why the examples of other countries cannot possibly apply here. It verges on gaslighting and is evidence of this country's state of denial when it comes to the school fiasco.

Please point me to a single instance of Germans undergoing medical bankruptcy, if you’re going to argue that the social safety net is irrelevant. If you lose your job with insurance in the US, because, for instance, you’re unable to work because you’ve had a disease with crippling after effects, you lose your insurance unless you can afford COBRA, which many cannot because it’s really expensive. Germans didn’t use that social safety net as a reason they were willing to go back because they have never lived WITHOUT it.

Where did I get the idea that the German government (and other European governments) were helping consumers and businesses out? I don’t know, maybe here: https://twitter.com/liamthorpecho/status/1361959447971643392?s=21

Or here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-boosts-already-hefty-coronavirus-stimulus-11598440184

Or here: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52920516

Of course they were helping businesses out to prevent unemployment. But what exactly does that have to do with their ability and willingness to open schools? By the way, the €300 per child one time payment cited in the BBC article is less than what we got here. There were no further relief checks sent to almost everyone like here.

And while you are correct the Germans do not need to fear medical bankruptcy, it is still not convincing to argue that this was a major factor in their different approach to schools, nor is it the primary factor why schools are still closed over here. teachers didn’t go back to work in Germany thinking that they would be fine catching Covid because of their excellent social safety net.