Breonna Taylor: Grand Jury

[Anonymous]

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I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

They didn't need to break into her home. They could've nabbed the boyfriend on the street, but then they wouldn't get to do their exciting "raid" and high-five each other afterwards. They felt comfortable doing their raid because the target(s) were lower-income black people. I'm white and f-ing DETEST political correctness, but get real, jackass.

If you start to speak about what everyone in that situation need or didn't' need to be doing, let start with her boyfriend. He didn't need to be dealing drugs. He needs to have a regular 9-5 job and be a productive member of society. He didn't need to involve Breonna into a drug dealing (yes, her name is on his previous plea agreement). He could have been working like most of police officers do. But he felt comfortable selling drugs because the target(s) were lower-income black people. Lets get real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

They didn't need to break into her home. They could've nabbed the boyfriend on the street, but then they wouldn't get to do their exciting "raid" and high-five each other afterwards. They felt comfortable doing their raid because the target(s) were lower-income black people. I'm white and f-ing DETEST political correctness, but get real, jackass.

If you start to speak about what everyone in that situation need or didn't' need to be doing, let start with her boyfriend. He didn't need to be dealing drugs. He needs to have a regular 9-5 job and be a productive member of society. He didn't need to involve Breonna into a drug dealing (yes, her name is on his previous plea agreement). He could have been working like most of police officers do. But he felt comfortable selling drugs because the target(s) were lower-income black people. Lets get real.

DP. You are confusing her then-current boyfriend with her ex-boyfriend.

[Anonymous]

So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

It is racist because any negative action on person of color is always presumed by them to be because of their color.

This incident is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Murkey and not as well-defined as Ahmed Aubrey or George Floyd. But after so.many.innocent.people.died people just can’t take it anymore. If your every day thought is “I can’t even be safe in my own home” life is really rough. So Breonna Taylor, shot in her apartment because her boyfriend didn’t hear the police, Ahmed Aubrey, killed for being black and autistic waiting for the library to open, George Floyd, killed for being a petty criminal, the 12 yo kid a few years ago, killed for playing in the park with a toy gun. It just goes on and on and then people break. Is the Breonna Taylor case cut and dried racism? Murky. But is it tinder to community anger, sure.

I agree with this, but it doesn't help the cause to protest the murky cases. Protest the clear cut ones like Floyd, Aubrey, McClain, Garner...there are many of them! Breonna Taylor's killing was a tragedy but not the same as those.

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So much whitesplainiing, policing of black anger, racism/sexism here, so gross.

Why don't you engage specifically with his/her points to support your case instead of making broad sweeping statements that only weaken your support?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

The loss of Breonna's life was tragic but preventable and thus she can never truly get justice. However, in addition to the points raised above, her family got a $12 million civil settlement. One officer was fired and has been charged with multiple felonies for his conduct that night (he might have been charged with negligent homicide if the FBI analysis had revealed that any of his shots hit Ms. Taylor, but they apparently did not). Charges against the current boyfriend for shooting a police officer were dropped. The City of Louisville also banned no-knock warrants to the best of my knowledge. I think the protesters have achieved quite a bit and should be able to go home or to other cities. They should be supported as long as their protests are peaceful and socially distanced. There is still more much work to be done nationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

The loss of Breonna's life was tragic but preventable and thus she can never truly get justice. However, in addition to the points raised above, her family got a $12 million civil settlement. One officer was fired and has been charged with multiple felonies for his conduct that night (he might have been charged with negligent homicide if the FBI analysis had revealed that any of his shots hit Ms. Taylor, but they apparently did not). Charges against the current boyfriend for shooting a police officer were dropped. The City of Louisville also banned no-knock warrants to the best of my knowledge. I think the protesters have achieved quite a bit and should be able to go home or to other cities. They should be supported as long as their protests are peaceful and socially distanced. There is still more much work to be done nationally.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

Did they present all the evidence? 16 shots fired by one of the cops. 70 seconds with no shots and then more shots were fired. Why? Taylor was shot at repeatedly while on the ground. Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

Did they present all the evidence? 16 shots fired by one of the cops. 70 seconds with no shots and then more shots were fired. Why? Taylor was shot at repeatedly while on the ground. Why?

I think they need to release the full transcript of evidence presented to the grand jury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

Did they present all the evidence? 16 shots fired by one of the cops. 70 seconds with no shots and then more shots were fired. Why? Taylor was shot at repeatedly while on the ground. Why?

I think they need to release the full transcript of evidence presented to the grand jury.

Grand Jury procedure is secret.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

Did they present all the evidence? 16 shots fired by one of the cops. 70 seconds with no shots and then more shots were fired. Why? Taylor was shot at repeatedly while on the ground. Why?

What is your source?

[Anonymous]

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I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.

Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.

More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.

It will stop when people stop committing violent crimes and not complying with commands of police officers. This is more prevalent in certain demographics, and that is why they are disproportionately involved in police shootings.

I was in a small southern beach town a few weeks back, lots of Trump, blue lives and even a few confederate flags flying. Long story short, and wish I’d had video, young man in pickup truck gets pulled over, given an excruciatingly long series of sobriety checks, things are going okay, crowd of onlookers, he’s doing a lot of talking. Cuffs come out and full on resisting arrest ensues. I called it about 10 mins before this... commented it’s all fun and games until the cuffs come out.

Perp takes a few swings on the cops, tries to get away, gets pummeled, slammed into sidewalks, face first, knee on one kneck.

More shouting “I can’t breathe”. “I’m bleeding” yada, yada. But he’s alive. Ambulance pulls up. Kids in car witness it all. They don’t even appear to be crying, maybe this is a routine thing for them, they are little no more than 7-8.

No Other parent visible, waiting for social services to show up and cart kids off, but no one shows up, rural Va on a late night holiday weekend. Kids eventually are loaded into the ambulance too and off they go.

Perp was white, he resisted, he physically and verbally assaulted the officers, he was still loudly running his mouth and physically resisting, although not as vigorously when the ambulance showed up, he was drunk and driving with 3 young kids in the pickup. He survived to do it all another day. He was white, didn’t seem very bright, didn’t appear to be wealthy, and he resisted and physically assaulted more than one officer.

No one shot a video, although plenty of onlookers, 99% white, they seemed legitimately curious about the unfolding, but not shocked more like oh cool, this is good entertainment and it was....minus the kids (that part was Tragic and no doubt part of a never ending chain of dysfunction) It was good entertainment because no one died. The perp was white. Just another Saturday night in rural America. White people commit plenty of crimes, they resist plenty, it’s human nature to resist capture and potential loss of freedom, especially with impaired judgment. I posit that the Phenomenon of resisting arrest is probably more common amongst white men, white privilege and all, entitlement and all that goes along with that. They just know they probably won’t end of dead as a result.

Is this another anecdote? Yes it is, but it is an anecdote that supports the stats, that yes they are arrested, yes they resist but they are just less likely to be killed. The cop got off his neck, before he died and he left in an ambulance, because he was roughed up, he left in an ambulance, alive....

Did you notice in all of that there was no reaching for a gun? Refusing to show his hands? Etc. that’s a big difference. People resist all of the time, you get shot when you have a weapon , no matter the color.

He was a white guy in a pickup truck with a gun rack. The automatic assumption should be that he had a gun. Doesn't matter though. Plenty of white men walk down with automatic weapons strapped to their chest and nothing happens. I saw one on tv with one strapped to his chest... I swear I saw smoke coming out of the end of it... people were shot and killed in that instance. I saw it on the national news. He went home, wasn't even questioned until the next day. If you are going to pick apart my premise. Please use something that can't be backed up by hours and hours of newsreel. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

They didn't need to break into her home. They could've nabbed the boyfriend on the street, but then they wouldn't get to do their exciting "raid" and high-five each other afterwards. They felt comfortable doing their raid because the target(s) were lower-income black people. I'm white and f-ing DETEST political correctness, but get real, jackass.

If you start to speak about what everyone in that situation need or didn't' need to be doing, let start with her boyfriend. He didn't need to be dealing drugs. He needs to have a regular 9-5 job and be a productive member of society. He didn't need to involve Breonna into a drug dealing (yes, her name is on his previous plea agreement). He could have been working like most of police officers do. But he felt comfortable selling drugs because the target(s) were lower-income black people. Lets get real.

DP. You are confusing her then-current boyfriend with her ex-boyfriend.

Jailhouse recordings show she was still close to her old boyfriend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

The loss of Breonna's life was tragic but preventable and thus she can never truly get justice. However, in addition to the points raised above, her family got a $12 million civil settlement. One officer was fired and has been charged with multiple felonies for his conduct that night (he might have been charged with negligent homicide if the FBI analysis had revealed that any of his shots hit Ms. Taylor, but they apparently did not). Charges against the current boyfriend for shooting a police officer were dropped. The City of Louisville also banned no-knock warrants to the best of my knowledge. I think the protesters have achieved quite a bit and should be able to go home or to other cities. They should be supported as long as their protests are peaceful and socially distanced. There is still more much work to be done nationally.

Why it was tragic? What she has done to contribute to the society?

She was an innocent young woman, was loved by her family and friends, and was an EMT. What the hell else do you want??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what do the armchair litigants of dcum think “justice for Breonna” actually means.

Genuinely curious. To me, the city empaneled a grand jury, presented evidence, and the grand jury provided its findings.

Is there something else?

The loss of Breonna's life was tragic but preventable and thus she can never truly get justice. However, in addition to the points raised above, her family got a $12 million civil settlement. One officer was fired and has been charged with multiple felonies for his conduct that night (he might have been charged with negligent homicide if the FBI analysis had revealed that any of his shots hit Ms. Taylor, but they apparently did not). Charges against the current boyfriend for shooting a police officer were dropped. The City of Louisville also banned no-knock warrants to the best of my knowledge. I think the protesters have achieved quite a bit and should be able to go home or to other cities. They should be supported as long as their protests are peaceful and socially distanced. There is still more much work to be done nationally.

Why it was tragic? What she has done to contribute to the society?

She was an innocent young woman, was loved by her family and friends, and was an EMT. What the hell else do you want??

It was tragic because she got shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.

Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.

More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.

It will stop when people stop committing violent crimes and not complying with commands of police officers. This is more prevalent in certain demographics, and that is why they are disproportionately involved in police shootings.

I was in a small southern beach town a few weeks back, lots of Trump, blue lives and even a few confederate flags flying. Long story short, and wish I’d had video, young man in pickup truck gets pulled over, given an excruciatingly long series of sobriety checks, things are going okay, crowd of onlookers, he’s doing a lot of talking. Cuffs come out and full on resisting arrest ensues. I called it about 10 mins before this... commented it’s all fun and games until the cuffs come out.

Perp takes a few swings on the cops, tries to get away, gets pummeled, slammed into sidewalks, face first, knee on one kneck.

More shouting “I can’t breathe”. “I’m bleeding” yada, yada. But he’s alive. Ambulance pulls up. Kids in car witness it all. They don’t even appear to be crying, maybe this is a routine thing for them, they are little no more than 7-8.

No Other parent visible, waiting for social services to show up and cart kids off, but no one shows up, rural Va on a late night holiday weekend. Kids eventually are loaded into the ambulance too and off they go.

Perp was white, he resisted, he physically and verbally assaulted the officers, he was still loudly running his mouth and physically resisting, although not as vigorously when the ambulance showed up, he was drunk and driving with 3 young kids in the pickup. He survived to do it all another day. He was white, didn’t seem very bright, didn’t appear to be wealthy, and he resisted and physically assaulted more than one officer.

No one shot a video, although plenty of onlookers, 99% white, they seemed legitimately curious about the unfolding, but not shocked more like oh cool, this is good entertainment and it was....minus the kids (that part was Tragic and no doubt part of a never ending chain of dysfunction) It was good entertainment because no one died. The perp was white. Just another Saturday night in rural America. White people commit plenty of crimes, they resist plenty, it’s human nature to resist capture and potential loss of freedom, especially with impaired judgment. I posit that the Phenomenon of resisting arrest is probably more common amongst white men, white privilege and all, entitlement and all that goes along with that. They just know they probably won’t end of dead as a result.

Is this another anecdote? Yes it is, but it is an anecdote that supports the stats, that yes they are arrested, yes they resist but they are just less likely to be killed. The cop got off his neck, before he died and he left in an ambulance, because he was roughed up, he left in an ambulance, alive....

Did you notice in all of that there was no reaching for a gun? Refusing to show his hands? Etc. that’s a big difference. People resist all of the time, you get shot when you have a weapon , no matter the color.

I wish you could come over here and join the rest of us white people who have had a crystallizing moment. I will never understand what it’s like to live as a Black American, but I acknowledge that they are not treated the same way you and I would be. I wish you could understand how bigoted, racist and stupid you sound when you imply that allllllllllll the black people who have been murdered at the hands of the police just weren’t following directions. It is offensive and blinkered in the extreme. Philando Castile wasn’t resisting arrest. Breonna Taylor wasn’t either. And even if they were, the penalty for not following directions isn’t death.