Breonna Taylor: Grand Jury

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Anonymous wrote:I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.


It is racist because any negative action on person of color is always presumed by them to be because of their color.


This incident is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Murkey and not as well-defined as Ahmed Aubrey or George Floyd. But after so.many.innocent.people.died people just can’t take it anymore. If your every day thought is “I can’t even be safe in my own home” life is really rough. So Breonna Taylor, shot in her apartment because her boyfriend didn’t hear the police, Ahmed Aubrey, killed for being black and autistic waiting for the library to open, George Floyd, killed for being a petty criminal, the 12 yo kid a few years ago, killed for playing in the park with a toy gun. It just goes on and on and then people break. Is the Breonna Taylor case cut and dried racism? Murky. But is it tinder to community anger, sure.



I agree with this, but it doesn't help the cause to protest the murky cases. Protest the clear cut ones like Floyd, Aubrey, McClain, Garner...there are many of them! Breonna Taylor's killing was a tragedy but not the same as those.



+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:WaPo has the best, most balanced article I've read on the case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/#comments-wrapper


Opinion piece...
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WaPo has the best, most balanced article I've read on the case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/#comments-wrapper


Opinion piece...


Well, it's the only chance to get something balanced out of a paper where democracy dies in the darkness.
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I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.


Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.



More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.


There's a difference in not condoning and doing what we can within reason to prevent these incidents, versus arguing that even just one is too much. Do we need to stop all car accidents? Come on.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WaPo has the best, most balanced article I've read on the case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/#comments-wrapper


Opinion piece...



with quite a bit of factual detail and analysis. Did you bother to read it?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:WaPo has the best, most balanced article I've read on the case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/#comments-wrapper

It’s good.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: go back to school. One antidote is not stats.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.


They didn't need to break into her home. They could've nabbed the boyfriend on the street, but then they wouldn't get to do their exciting "raid" and high-five each other afterwards. They felt comfortable doing their raid because the target(s) were lower-income black people. I'm white and f-ing DETEST political correctness, but get real, jackass.


It was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant, no? They were going to go into the house, which is inherently a potentially dangerous situation.

That being said, no-knock warrants, or even late-night knock-and-announce warrants, are going to be particularly dangerous, and I don't see how to justify its use in this case.

But I really don't see how you could place *criminal* blame on any of these officers for Breonna Taylor's death. That doesn't mean the shooting was justified, or that what happened was in any way OK, but I don't think it would have been right to place criminal blame on these officers for returning fire when conducting what they believed was a valid warrant.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.


It is racist because any negative action on person of color is always presumed by them to be because of their color.


This incident is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Murkey and not as well-defined as Ahmed Aubrey or George Floyd. But after so.many.innocent.people.died people just can’t take it anymore. If your every day thought is “I can’t even be safe in my own home” life is really rough. So Breonna Taylor, shot in her apartment because her boyfriend didn’t hear the police, Ahmed Aubrey, killed for being black and autistic waiting for the library to open, George Floyd, killed for being a petty criminal, the 12 yo kid a few years ago, killed for playing in the park with a toy gun. It just goes on and on and then people break. Is the Breonna Taylor case cut and dried racism? Murky. But is it tinder to community anger, sure.



I agree with this, but it doesn't help the cause to protest the murky cases. Protest the clear cut ones like Floyd, Aubrey, McClain, Garner...there are many of them! Breonna Taylor's killing was a tragedy but not the same as those.



+1


So much whitesplainiing, policing of black anger, racism/sexism here, so gross.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.


Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.



More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.


It will stop when people stop committing violent crimes and not complying with commands of police officers. This is more prevalent in certain demographics, and that is why they are disproportionately involved in police shootings.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.


Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.



More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.


There's a difference in not condoning and doing what we can within reason to prevent these incidents, versus arguing that even just one is too much. Do we need to stop all car accidents? Come on.


That's an actual policy position in Washington, DC. Zero accidents.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.


Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.



More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.


It will stop when people stop committing violent crimes and not complying with commands of police officers. This is more prevalent in certain demographics, and that is why they are disproportionately involved in police shootings.


I was in a small southern beach town a few weeks back, lots of Trump, blue lives and even a few confederate flags flying. Long story short, and wish I’d had video, young man in pickup truck gets pulled over, given an excruciatingly long series of sobriety checks, things are going okay, crowd of onlookers, he’s doing a lot of talking. Cuffs come out and full on resisting arrest ensues. I called it about 10 mins before this... commented it’s all fun and games until the cuffs come out.

Perp takes a few swings on the cops, tries to get away, gets pummeled, slammed into sidewalks, face first, knee on one kneck.

More shouting “I can’t breathe”. “I’m bleeding” yada, yada. But he’s alive. Ambulance pulls up. Kids in car witness it all. They don’t even appear to be crying, maybe this is a routine thing for them, they are little no more than 7-8.

No Other parent visible, waiting for social services to show up and cart kids off, but no one shows up, rural Va on a late night holiday weekend. Kids eventually are loaded into the ambulance too and off they go.

Perp was white, he resisted, he physically and verbally assaulted the officers, he was still loudly running his mouth and physically resisting, although not as vigorously when the ambulance showed up, he was drunk and driving with 3 young kids in the pickup. He survived to do it all another day. He was white, didn’t seem very bright, didn’t appear to be wealthy, and he resisted and physically assaulted more than one officer.

No one shot a video, although plenty of onlookers, 99% white, they seemed legitimately curious about the unfolding, but not shocked more like oh cool, this is good entertainment and it was....minus the kids (that part was Tragic and no doubt part of a never ending chain of dysfunction) It was good entertainment because no one died. The perp was white. Just another Saturday night in rural America. White people commit plenty of crimes, they resist plenty, it’s human nature to resist capture and potential loss of freedom, especially with impaired judgment. I posit that the Phenomenon of resisting arrest is probably more common amongst white men, white privilege and all, entitlement and all that goes along with that. They just know they probably won’t end of dead as a result.

Is this another anecdote? Yes it is, but it is an anecdote that supports the stats, that yes they are arrested, yes they resist but they are just less likely to be killed. The cop got off his neck, before he died and he left in an ambulance, because he was roughed up, he left in an ambulance, alive....
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.


They didn't need to break into her home. They could've nabbed the boyfriend on the street, but then they wouldn't get to do their exciting "raid" and high-five each other afterwards. They felt comfortable doing their raid because the target(s) were lower-income black people. I'm white and f-ing DETEST political correctness, but get real, jackass.


They were looking for evidence.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'd never heard about this. It just goes to show how much more young Black lives matter in 2020 than young white ones. The police in Fairfax shot John Geer, another white guy, in 2013 and practically no one knew about it or protested at all.


Please pull out the stats from the last 5 years of white people, black people killed by police. Or go back to school. One antidote is not stats.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should be careful before saying dumb sh-t based on media lies vs. FACTS. The truth is being hidden from you. And its anecdote you buffoon, further proving that you should spend more time reading and less time talking.



More whites killed overall but more blacks as percentage of population basically. Either way, ALL of it needs to stop. Period. Would be nice to hear someone say that instead of picking sides.


It will stop when people stop committing violent crimes and not complying with commands of police officers. This is more prevalent in certain demographics, and that is why they are disproportionately involved in police shootings.


I was in a small southern beach town a few weeks back, lots of Trump, blue lives and even a few confederate flags flying. Long story short, and wish I’d had video, young man in pickup truck gets pulled over, given an excruciatingly long series of sobriety checks, things are going okay, crowd of onlookers, he’s doing a lot of talking. Cuffs come out and full on resisting arrest ensues. I called it about 10 mins before this... commented it’s all fun and games until the cuffs come out.

Perp takes a few swings on the cops, tries to get away, gets pummeled, slammed into sidewalks, face first, knee on one kneck.

More shouting “I can’t breathe”. “I’m bleeding” yada, yada. But he’s alive. Ambulance pulls up. Kids in car witness it all. They don’t even appear to be crying, maybe this is a routine thing for them, they are little no more than 7-8.

No Other parent visible, waiting for social services to show up and cart kids off, but no one shows up, rural Va on a late night holiday weekend. Kids eventually are loaded into the ambulance too and off they go.

Perp was white, he resisted, he physically and verbally assaulted the officers, he was still loudly running his mouth and physically resisting, although not as vigorously when the ambulance showed up, he was drunk and driving with 3 young kids in the pickup. He survived to do it all another day. He was white, didn’t seem very bright, didn’t appear to be wealthy, and he resisted and physically assaulted more than one officer.

No one shot a video, although plenty of onlookers, 99% white, they seemed legitimately curious about the unfolding, but not shocked more like oh cool, this is good entertainment and it was....minus the kids (that part was Tragic and no doubt part of a never ending chain of dysfunction) It was good entertainment because no one died. The perp was white. Just another Saturday night in rural America. White people commit plenty of crimes, they resist plenty, it’s human nature to resist capture and potential loss of freedom, especially with impaired judgment. I posit that the Phenomenon of resisting arrest is probably more common amongst white men, white privilege and all, entitlement and all that goes along with that. They just know they probably won’t end of dead as a result.

Is this another anecdote? Yes it is, but it is an anecdote that supports the stats, that yes they are arrested, yes they resist but they are just less likely to be killed. The cop got off his neck, before he died and he left in an ambulance, because he was roughed up, he left in an ambulance, alive....


Did you notice in all of that there was no reaching for a gun? Refusing to show his hands? Etc. that’s a big difference. People resist all of the time, you get shot when you have a weapon , no matter the color.
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