Why are most teachers too scared to return to in person teaching, but most parents want schools open

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most parents do NOT want schools to open. They are well aware of the risks! Many parents are voicing sadness and frustration that their children's lives are still upended for the upcoming school year, but it doesn't mean they WANT schools to reopen with the pandemic uncontrolled as it is.

Of course they do, all the polls shown that were done in every school district show that the percentage of parents who chose 100% virtual over hybrid (when it was still an option) were very much in the minority.

When our school did the poll, the DC numbers were much lower than now, and we assumed they would keep getting lower, so we crossed our fingers and picked hybrid; if asked again today, we would choose virtual. We aren't the only ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op, I have no idea what most teacher thing but anecdotally, I can tell you that one teacher wants to stay home because it is much more convenient . She is only pissed now that she will actually be required to teach live during school normal hours - she wishes it was like during spring, or conversely, like in Mexico where they just have to post a video, have the students watch it and come to class with questions. She is really upset that she will have to actually sit down and teach during school hours.

If the borders were open, she would move to some other country during this time and try to enjoy it while "teaching." Hopefully, she is in the minority, but she is so tone deaf that it hurst sometimes. I have to contain myself to not come out to blows since at the end of the day, *I* had great experience with my own children's teachers during spring and I am pretty sure I will have again given our school principal.

Thank you for these insights. Motivations around convenience and personal lifestyle (like wanting to travel and work from the beach) are perfectly valid. Digital nomads in IT have done it for years to great success. I only wish teachers generally approached this discussion with more honesty and transparency, instead of hiding behind commentary like "I don't want to die!" and "Parents must really hate their kids!"

Oh my god. We aren’t hiding. We are scared. Teachers returning to work is not the same as people who work in individual offices returning to work. My husband is not returning to his office and he is not a teacher. They actually may never return to their office, because working remotely works for their industry. Teachers cannot wait until it is safe enough to return because this is not the way that we know how to teach. Distance Learning is more stressful and challenging for us, too. We have kids too. We want those kids to go back to school. Both of my kids want to go to school. I want to go to school. It’s just not safe yet.

How do you get to speak for 100% of teachers? Do you have a crystal ball? As the PP noted, for some teachers wanting DL is actually more about personal convenience or lifestyle.

Show me the source. I’m speaking for myself and my co-workers. That person is writing conservative copypasta.

Dude, it's all over social media. Also, what's wrong with acknowledging the obvious that some teachers want DL for simple personal convenience? You actually undermine your own credibility when you pretend it could only be about the shrill fear of death.

That just isn’t what I’m seeing/hearing in my teacher groups. Teachers want to teach. They also want to stay safe.

Well of course. Teachers aren’t dumb enough to admit it. I prefer to teach virtually from home, but aside from DH, I’m not going to admit that anywhere outside of an anonymous message board.

Why? I’m just curious.

My grade level team was texting about this yesterday. Out of 7, 5 of us think we will opt for teaching from the classroom. One might, depending on what care is available for her own kids on a given day, and one will teach from home since she has a newborn. Reasons given included access to materials and separation of the workspace from home. During a staff meeting this week one grade level team asked if they could meet in the building to plan.

I don’t think I’ve heard from anyone who prefers distance instruction over in person instruction.

What a coincidence! Right after the teachers unions successfully pressured our schools into 100% DL, you suddenly have all these teachers profess how much they would have *just loved* to teach in school.

You say this as if it is a bad thing. Did it ever occur to you that the teachers are right and what they want is, in fact, best for the whole community as well? I believe it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?

[phone]

Seems like this country had all damn summer to set the stage for a much “safer” return to school, but instead we prioritized opening restaurants, bars, stores, and even summer camps. Zero thought was given to this nation’s children (or hell, working parents) and everyone was SHOCKED when numbers started going up. Distance learning is total BS for young children. Wish everyone would wake up already and just cancel the whole damn thing and leave us to fend for ourselves as we have been doing all summer. I’d rather spend the next semester (year?) enjoying all of the readily available fine dining than force my kindergartener and second grader to sit in front of a computer 5 hours/day while jeopardizing my own career in the process. And the teachers won’t have to worry about dying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?

[phone]

Seems like this country had all damn summer to set the stage for a much “safer” return to school, but instead we prioritized opening restaurants, bars, stores, and even summer camps. Zero thought was given to this nation’s children (or hell, working parents) and everyone was SHOCKED when numbers started going up. Distance learning is total BS for young children. Wish everyone would wake up already and just cancel the whole damn thing and leave us to fend for ourselves as we have been doing all summer. I’d rather spend the next semester (year?) enjoying all of the readily available fine dining than force my kindergartener and second grader to sit in front of a computer 5 hours/day while jeopardizing my own career in the process. And the teachers won’t have to worry about dying.

You seem really angry at teachers for living in states where the governor prioritized opening the economy over long term policy. I’m sure you realize how silly you look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?

[phone]

Seems like this country had all damn summer to set the stage for a much “safer” return to school, but instead we prioritized opening restaurants, bars, stores, and even summer camps. Zero thought was given to this nation’s children (or hell, working parents) and everyone was SHOCKED when numbers started going up. Distance learning is total BS for young children. Wish everyone would wake up already and just cancel the whole damn thing and leave us to fend for ourselves as we have been doing all summer. I’d rather spend the next semester (year?) enjoying all of the readily available fine dining than force my kindergartener and second grader to sit in front of a computer 5 hours/day while jeopardizing my own career in the process. And the teachers won’t have to worry about dying.

It doesn’t have to be either/or. Upstate NY and places in the northeast have pretty much everything open- restaurants, camps, etc. AND are returning to school. I think they just waited longer before opening and were more deliberate about it. Everyone wears masks. It can be done, write to your state and local officials and advocate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.

COVID presents a very, very small risk for most working adults. But teachers can get paid to work from home, so why should they take that risk? A little less than half in my school district were willing to take the risk, likely because they realized the risk to children missing in-person school was larger. A little more than half didn’t care.

Parents love their kids, and understand their children are not at real risk From the virus. They want them to be educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

Right. I think it’s a matter of assessing personal risk. A vacation is limited in time and you have more control on the risks you take, vs. spending every day with 10+ kids who may or may not keep their distance or their masks on. They don’t really make the connection that in doing so they’re increasing the risks for all of the people working in the travel industry.

But yeah I have a harder time understanding why anyone would think it’s ok to take kids to daycare/camp/learning centers while simultaneously refusing to go back to the classroom. I get that they feel like they have to do it in order to perform their jobs, but it’s pretty hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

Right. I think it’s a matter of assessing personal risk. A vacation is limited in time and you have more control on the risks you take, vs. spending every day with 10+ kids who may or may not keep their distance or their masks on. They don’t really make the connection that in doing so they’re increasing the risks for all of the people working in the travel industry.

But yeah I have a harder time understanding why anyone would think it’s ok to take kids to daycare/camp/learning centers while simultaneously refusing to go back to the classroom. I get that they feel like they have to do it in order to perform their jobs, but it’s pretty hypocritical.

Most teachers were not working over the summer. I know quite a few that took kids to daycare/camp all summer anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

If there is a tiny silver lining to this whole mess, it has been that people are starting to realize what a complete joke the average public school teacher truly is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

If there is a tiny silver lining to this whole mess, it has been that people are starting to realize what a complete joke the average public school teacher truly is.

So keep your kids home and do us all a favor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

If there is a tiny silver lining to this whole mess, it has been that people are starting to realize what a complete joke the average public school teacher truly is.

So keep your kids home and do us all a favor.

Like I would trust my kids to you idiots

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, DL is not child care! Many teachers want to teach from home so they can watch their own kids. School administrators must remind teachers that they will have to make child care arrangements while they're on the clock. Child care is the responsibility of teachers and they should have thought of that before having kids.

The parents that want schools to open to act as childcare while they work (at home or office) should have thought of that before having kids too.

That's why all teachers must teach DL from inside the school building, not from home. They can't berate parents for wanting child care but then also say it's OK for them to interrupt DL every 5 minutes so they can change their own baby's diapers. Can't have it both ways!

Couldn’t the teacher teach from home and arrange care for the infant? Why would the teacher have to go into the building?

No, teachers need to be in the building. There was a NYT article on how teachers groups are pushing to limit DL because some teachers are "embarrassed" to teach from home or have too many other distractions like child care. Teaching from school would solve that.

^^ Also, DL should not double as child care for teachers.

How is it doubling for child care of the teacher arranges for someone to watch the child?

Most teachers will not be hiring a nanny. Dream on. That's why teaching from school building is essential.

I hope all parents working from home while their child does DL have also hired nannies. Your work from home job shouldn't be your childcare, either, since you think it's so unprofessional.

I never advocated for this but plenty of teachers did. For months now teachers have relentlessly shamed parents that "school is not child care," "parents must hate their children and want to kill teachers," and "every parent is responsible for their own child care or else they should not have had kids." It is only fair that these teachers now live by the same standard they set for everyone else.

...except they would be caring for their OWN children so I’m not sure how you think that proves your point.

Unless they're sending them to daycare. I know several who are doing that, and have been on vacations this summer, yet are scared to go back to school. My neighbor, who's a teacher, was an anxious mess when this all started, freaking out about her asthma and whether it was safe to get takeout. Now this summer they've been to the DE shore, flew out west and drove around to National parks, and then immediately brought her youngest back to daycare when they got back. And has been posting about not wanting to go back to school all summer long. I know that most teachers are NOT like this but seriously, WTF.

I have seen multiple teachers on my Facebook feed who are "so scared" to go back who have taken multiple beach trips with family/friends and have been sending their own kids to camp/preschool/daycare and letting them play with other kids. They want to take the risks on things that are enjoyable for them or make their lives easier, but not for their jobs. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone had that luxury?

If there is a tiny silver lining to this whole mess, it has been that people are starting to realize what a complete joke the average public school teacher truly is.

Speaking of beach trips, the NYT just had an article featuring a teacher relocating to Barbados so he can do DL from there:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/travel/remote-worker-visa.html