Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, parents of non-Asians: You want your kid to be able to compete with the Tiger mom-influenced strivers who get into TJ? Then get you kids off their asses, away from their screens and MAKE THEM STUDY! All the better if they're naturally gifted in math and science.

Magnet schools are a privilege, not a right and the ones who work hard are the ones who get rewarded with a challenging, excellent education.

Parents of non-Asians increasingly do not want to send their kids to TJ, not because they're on their asses and screens, but because they're on the ballfields or the stage - and they correctly understand that in order to have the best chance to get into TJ, they will have to give those passions up (which have incredible value both inside and outside the classroom) to maximize their test prep and STEM activities.

I want non-Asians to recognize that the PP Asian does not represent all Asian, but this is how you perceive all Asians, and the PP just confirms your perception. But, remember, that is one person. We have to stop stereotyping people.

The arguments and stereotypes on this thread clearly show that more TJ's need to be built. Then we would not have all these negative comments like outrage, jealously, racism, etc, since there would be enough space to accomodate all who apply and are qualified.

We already have the schools. We are simply providing unique opportunities at one of them, to the detriment of others.

Agreed, we have the physical buildings, but not many teachers that can teach beyond the AP or offer the same level of intellectual stimulation found at TJ. If FCPS were to actually hire (and compensate) qualified teachers at all local schools, obviously there would not be a need for TJ, but it also wouldn't make financial sense. Clearly there's not enough of a budget to implement a magnet type of curriculum at every high school.

It's commonly reported that the teachers at TJ are no more qualified, and in some cases less qualified, than those at other schools. As for the budgetary considerations, you are basically arguing certain kids are more deserving of extra resources than others; when those kids are increasingly just upper middle-class Asians, it's very much at odds with the notion of a public school system in a democratic country. Let them send their kids to St. Albans or Madeira if they want more than what other kids in the public schools receive.

You do understand that it is a Virginia state law that students deemed "gifted" must be provided with gifted education? How the counties go about doing that is their decision, but the choices do not include refusal to provide any gifted education any expecting the kids in that group to go to St. Albans or Madeira.

Straw-man response. Obviously the Virginia state requirements can, and most frequently are, be satisfied without paying for buses to transport kids who often live a considerable distance to stand-alone magnets like TJ. But, if you are unwilling to receive services at your base schools and think your kids (but not others) deserve their own school with more resources and space per student than other county students enjoy, that's clearly discrimination against non-TJ students and perhaps you should explore private options.

I'd have no problem receiving a TJ like education at my base school, in fact I'd prefer that for my kids so they and I would never have to go through hell commutes. But the problem as I said earlier is that the base school resources are lacking... if FCPS can actually find the right teachers to teach a challenging curriculum that is not the watered down AP version, for many of the classes, esp. the math/science classes, I'd be all for it. But you won't find the TJ curriculum at the base schools, because it doesn't exist, unless FCPS invested the money in the right teachers to be able to replicate it (and I'm not even including research labs in this, having the right teachers is just the bare minimum).

Why do people like you have so little self-awareness about the fact that you are claiming a right to resources for your public school children that are not available to others? And lying constantly to justify your position?

I hope the School Board starts to look at the glaring inequality within FCPS at every level, including TJ.

Wow you're pretty thickheaded. I'm not claiming a right, other than a right to education. I just stated that it would be lovely to have the same type of TJ resources at every base school so that ANY qualified student at each base school can be part of it if they can meet the prerequisites. In fact that's the exact opposite of having a concentrated school like TJ, which is what you apparently take issue with. But obviously that is not economically feasible as I already explained to you, yet you still seem to be lost. As to "lying" I have no clue what you're referring to. What is apparent is your clear agenda toward dumbing down of education, which you try to mask by pretending to care about minorities by spouting "no kids should get these opportunities because others will be held back" but keep lying to yourself.

In any case TJ will not go away, certainly not until you make a more coherent case for what you think is inequitable about it and find an option that replaces it which actually makes sense.

Your argument has already been exposed and rebutted multiple times: It's too bad we don't have enough resources, but since we don't we certainly can't allocate them equitably. Because gifted.

And when someone points that out, the response of the racist TJ crowd is to revert to (1) claiming people want to dumb down education; and (2) crapping on other schools.

I think you know there are other, better options to this bastion of segregation. Other school systems look at FCPS and cringe at what it's done. It's actually the case study for what every other good system in the DC area tries to avoid.

You haven't named a single option, other than getting rid of an excellent program just because it doesn't fit your view of equitability. And why does it bother you so much that it's 70% Asian? I'm not Asian and I don't care, as long as the admissions system is fair and transparent. I'd be very happy if it was more diverse, but not at the expense of dumbing down the whole program. Earlier I gave you lots of ideas to help addressing the root cause of the inequity (hint: it's not TJ, it's the racism and segregation that has been occurring in this country forever, and the fact that low income families and minorities need assistance from the beginning, starting in preschool).

Also, while the whole of TJ couldn't be replicated across the county, a subset of the TJ curriculum for math, computer science, and some science courses could be offered at certain base high schools. Then everyone would have access to them, similar to AP classes. But you and I know that will not happen unfortunately, because FCPS would have to fund a couple of exceptional teachers at each cluster of high schools where it would be implemented. And they will never do that because they are incompetent and don't want to reallocate the large sums of money they regularly waste on private education/tech companies that deliver the newest sham products which don't actually help teachers teach. Oh, and they couldn't even figure out their distance learning which you're already well aware, so don't expect them to make any progress on anything worthwhile.

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It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

I cannot believe that magnet schools are ranked against regular ole public schools. If every 3 counties in the U.S. pooled their best students into one school, the result wouldn’t be much different.

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It was interesting to see that the TJ Ap gov teacher was the one doing the college board live videos. Actually, all of the teachers doing those videos (I looked up many of them) teach at extremely wealthy. privileged high schools. Of course those teachers were considered the “best” teachers! Ap teachers at poor schools can not assign the workload needed to do well on these exams. But that’s another topic...

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Anonymous wrote:It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

I cannot believe that magnet schools are ranked against regular ole public schools. If every 3 counties in the U.S. pooled their best students into one school, the result wouldn’t be much different.

Exactly. But they choose not to do so because they care more about the kids than marketing gimmicks. FCPS is a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

I cannot believe that magnet schools are ranked against regular ole public schools. If every 3 counties in the U.S. pooled their best students into one school, the result wouldn’t be much different.

Exactly. But they choose not to do so because they care more about the kids than marketing gimmicks. FCPS is a joke.

When you have a school ranked number 1, the best and the brightest want to go there, and then because the best students go there, it's solidifies its ranking as number 1, and because it's number 1, it gets more and more selective, and on and on. Like Princeton, like Harvard, like Williams. One of these kids might well cure cancer someday. Possibly someone from Chantilly or South Lakes could do that, but I think it's much less likely.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

I cannot believe that magnet schools are ranked against regular ole public schools. If every 3 counties in the U.S. pooled their best students into one school, the result wouldn’t be much different.

Exactly. But they choose not to do so because they care more about the kids than marketing gimmicks. FCPS is a joke.

When you have a school ranked number 1, the best and the brightest want to go there, and then because the best students go there, it's solidifies its ranking as number 1, and because it's number 1, it gets more and more selective, and on and on. Like Princeton, like Harvard, like Williams. One of these kids might well cure cancer someday. Possibly someone from Chantilly or South Lakes could do that, but I think it's much less likely.

If you ever wondered why people dislike TJ, this is why.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

I cannot believe that magnet schools are ranked against regular ole public schools. If every 3 counties in the U.S. pooled their best students into one school, the result wouldn’t be much different.

Exactly. But they choose not to do so because they care more about the kids than marketing gimmicks. FCPS is a joke.

When you have a school ranked number 1, the best and the brightest want to go there, and then because the best students go there, it's solidifies its ranking as number 1, and because it's number 1, it gets more and more selective, and on and on. Like Princeton, like Harvard, like Williams. One of these kids might well cure cancer someday. Possibly someone from Chantilly or South Lakes could do that, but I think it's much less likely.

If you ever wondered why people dislike TJ, this is why.

Can you explain that, because I don't understand it. My kid goes to a private, and didn't get into TJ. But I see the classes they are taking, and their ambition - so that seems like a reasonable observation. Why would people dislike TJ for a comment like that. Be specific please.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ranked as the best public high school in the United States. Obviously the county is doing something right. Kudos.

I cannot believe that magnet schools are ranked against regular ole public schools. If every 3 counties in the U.S. pooled their best students into one school, the result wouldn’t be much different.

Exactly. But they choose not to do so because they care more about the kids than marketing gimmicks. FCPS is a joke.

When you have a school ranked number 1, the best and the brightest want to go there, and then because the best students go there, it's solidifies its ranking as number 1, and because it's number 1, it gets more and more selective, and on and on. Like Princeton, like Harvard, like Williams. One of these kids might well cure cancer someday. Possibly someone from Chantilly or South Lakes could do that, but I think it's much less likely.

If you ever wondered why people dislike TJ, this is why.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t the top Ap track at Langley and McLean +Chantilly, Oakton, Madison, Marshall, very challenging? Why isn’t that good enough for most TJ kids

Why isn't that good enough for the non-TJ kids? Can the crowd that wants to shut down TJ and provide a "challenging education for all" answer this?

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Wow you're pretty thickheaded. I'm not claiming a right, other than a right to education. I just stated that it would be lovely to have the same type of TJ resources at every base school so that ANY qualified student at each base school can be part of it if they can meet the prerequisites. In fact that's the exact opposite of having a concentrated school like TJ, which is what you apparently take issue with. But obviously that is not economically feasible as I already explained to you, yet you still seem to be lost. As to "lying" I have no clue what you're referring to. What is apparent is your clear agenda toward dumbing down of education, which you try to mask by pretending to care about minorities by spouting "no kids should get these opportunities because others will be held back" but keep lying to yourself.

In any case TJ will not go away, certainly not until you make a more coherent case for what you think is inequitable about it and find an option that replaces it which actually makes sense.

Your argument has already been exposed and rebutted multiple times: It's too bad we don't have enough resources, but since we don't we certainly can't allocate them equitably. Because gifted.

And when someone points that out, the response of the racist TJ crowd is to revert to (1) claiming people want to dumb down education; and (2) crapping on other schools.

I think you know there are other, better options to this bastion of segregation. Other school systems look at FCPS and cringe at what it's done. It's actually the case study for what every other good system in the DC area tries to avoid.

Maybe you should move to one of those? Now, that's an idea!

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, parents of non-Asians: You want your kid to be able to compete with the Tiger mom-influenced strivers who get into TJ? Then get you kids off their asses, away from their screens and MAKE THEM STUDY! All the better if they're naturally gifted in math and science.

Magnet schools are a privilege, not a right and the ones who work hard are the ones who get rewarded with a challenging, excellent education.

Parents of non-Asians increasingly do not want to send their kids to TJ, not because they're on their asses and screens, but because they're on the ballfields or the stage - and they correctly understand that in order to have the best chance to get into TJ, they will have to give those passions up (which have incredible value both inside and outside the classroom) to maximize their test prep and STEM activities.

I want non-Asians to recognize that the PP Asian does not represent all Asian, but this is how you perceive all Asians, and the PP just confirms your perception. But, remember, that is one person. We have to stop stereotyping people.

The arguments and stereotypes on this thread clearly show that more TJ's need to be built. Then we would not have all these negative comments like outrage, jealously, racism, etc, since there would be enough space to accomodate all who apply and are qualified.

We already have the schools. We are simply providing unique opportunities at one of them, to the detriment of others.

Agreed, we have the physical buildings, but not many teachers that can teach beyond the AP or offer the same level of intellectual stimulation found at TJ. If FCPS were to actually hire (and compensate) qualified teachers at all local schools, obviously there would not be a need for TJ, but it also wouldn't make financial sense. Clearly there's not enough of a budget to implement a magnet type of curriculum at every high school.

It's commonly reported that the teachers at TJ are no more qualified, and in some cases less qualified, than those at other schools. As for the budgetary considerations, you are basically arguing certain kids are more deserving of extra resources than others; when those kids are increasingly just upper middle-class Asians, it's very much at odds with the notion of a public school system in a democratic country. Let them send their kids to St. Albans or Madeira if they want more than what other kids in the public schools receive.

This! I bet people like you won't complain if it TJ was filled with "upper middle-class whites"! Cut the BS and stop sugar-coating your racism as equity.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, parents of non-Asians: You want your kid to be able to compete with the Tiger mom-influenced strivers who get into TJ? Then get you kids off their asses, away from their screens and MAKE THEM STUDY! All the better if they're naturally gifted in math and science.

Magnet schools are a privilege, not a right and the ones who work hard are the ones who get rewarded with a challenging, excellent education.

Parents of non-Asians increasingly do not want to send their kids to TJ, not because they're on their asses and screens, but because they're on the ballfields or the stage - and they correctly understand that in order to have the best chance to get into TJ, they will have to give those passions up (which have incredible value both inside and outside the classroom) to maximize their test prep and STEM activities.

I want non-Asians to recognize that the PP Asian does not represent all Asian, but this is how you perceive all Asians, and the PP just confirms your perception. But, remember, that is one person. We have to stop stereotyping people.

I'm not the "PP Asian" you are referring to nor do I think like that but why are you so concerned about what others will think of you? Are you afraid they will come after you with pitchforks? Let them. I have bigger pitchforks.. We are not Chinese miners from a 100 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:what percent of TJ students are Asian? just curious.

75%

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Asians are racist too and usually stick to there own race
TJ is not diverse