US vs Thailand

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

If they need 13 GOALS they are not good. That is the only point and the only takeaway.

Or, if they need 13 goals, then Thailand was completely outmatched and good for them for giving it a try.

We won't know until Sweden plays Thailand. Then you might find out that 13 goals was a good number. Or not enough. Or overkill. But since none of us can see into the future, the best our soccer players can do is play as hard as they can, as well as they can.

Nobody has criticized the outcome or how they played. They have been criticized for how they ACTED

Wrong. Go back and read the thread. Several posts, and presumably posters, have criticized "running up" the score.

Not really. That was a tactical decision made by coaching not the players. But at least that is a debatable soccer/tactical discussion. The celebrations are separate from the play and I think the biggest complaint is based pretty much on excessive celebrating well past the game being competitive.

Yes. Really. If you go back and read the thread you will read people criticizing how they played, specifically talking about "running up" the score.

The more recent conversation has been about "excessive celebrating," but personally I think that's just what people are latching onto since they've realized that goal differential actually is important but they still have to complain about ~something~.

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Anonymous wrote:These women are just very easy to not root for

Whine about their pay without justification, embarrass people with their classless celebrations...

Hoping they lose badly this year

LOL what planet do you live on? They are wildly successful and bring in loads more than the men, yet are paid a fraction of what they get. They were also slapped in the face by having to play on turf. It's not whining to demand what you deserve. Hater.

Women's soccer isn't as economically valuable as men's soccer.

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I’d really like to see an end to thumb sucking as a way to celebrate a goal in men’s soccer. Totally classless

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

So if your daughter's team was up by 9, and a kid scored her very first goal, NO CELEBRATING!

Right?

That kid should have had better timing and scored her very first goal during the "Celebrations Allowed" period.

Well if you think that professional athletes and defending world champions should celebrate the way a 7 year old girl would then you don't understand the difference.

Any way that they choose to celebrate is how professional athletes and world champions celebrate, because they are professional athletes and world champions.

When a 7 year old girl does leg farts after scoring the 9th goal you will see how dumb it is for her too.

So you don't have a problem with the team, you have a problem with Rapinoe. I assume you have a problem with every other world class player who's on the farther end of celebrating, too? You're not just anti-Rapinoe?

Though, since apparently you're using a couple seconds of Rapinoe's behavior to tar an entire team, you might well just be some crazy anti-Rapinoe person.

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Anonymous wrote:leg farts are what rapinoe did after scoring to go up 9-0. watch a clip

Then why's everyone complaining about "celebrating" and not "how Rapinoe chose to celebrate" ?

One makes it seem like the entire team was engaging in classless, unsportsmanlike behavior, and the other makes it seem like one player was over the top.

Interesting. Don't you think?

Because an example of a crass celebration was asked for.

All were excessive, hers was just excessive AND crass

If all were excessive, you have to agree that all soccer goal celebrations are excessive. You probably should avoid watching sports. Sounds like it's not good for you.

I once hugged my DD and told her she was awesome after she blocked every shot against her in a lacrosse game. I hope you'll forgive my excessive celebrating.

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

If they need 13 GOALS they are not good. That is the only point and the only takeaway.

Or, if they need 13 goals, then Thailand was completely outmatched and good for them for giving it a try.

We won't know until Sweden plays Thailand. Then you might find out that 13 goals was a good number. Or not enough. Or overkill. But since none of us can see into the future, the best our soccer players can do is play as hard as they can, as well as they can.

Nobody has criticized the outcome or how they played. They have been criticized for how they ACTED

Wrong. Go back and read the thread. Several posts, and presumably posters, have criticized "running up" the score.

Not really. That was a tactical decision made by coaching not the players. But at least that is a debatable soccer/tactical discussion. The celebrations are separate from the play and I think the biggest complaint is based pretty much on excessive celebrating well past the game being competitive.

Yes. Really. If you go back and read the thread you will read people criticizing how they played, specifically talking about "running up" the score.

The more recent conversation has been about "excessive celebrating," but personally I think that's just what people are latching onto since they've realized that goal differential actually is important but they still have to complain about ~something~.

That is one person. But nearly all of the news coverage on the topic has been solely about the celebrations and not about the goals. You can try and twist the narrative but it is about the celebrations.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.

However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)

The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.

So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.

Why're 10 ok and 13 are right out? What math are you using to justify that?

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Anonymous wrote:leg farts are what rapinoe did after scoring to go up 9-0. watch a clip

Then why's everyone complaining about "celebrating" and not "how Rapinoe chose to celebrate" ?

One makes it seem like the entire team was engaging in classless, unsportsmanlike behavior, and the other makes it seem like one player was over the top.

Interesting. Don't you think?

Because an example of a crass celebration was asked for.

All were excessive, hers was just excessive AND crass

If all were excessive, you have to agree that all soccer goal celebrations are excessive. You probably should avoid watching sports. Sounds like it's not good for you.

I once hugged my DD and told her she was awesome after she blocked every shot against her in a lacrosse game. I hope you'll forgive my excessive celebrating.

Do what you want when a game is competitive. The score could have been 9-8 and all 17 goals would have been worthy of grand celebration. 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, 12-0, 13-0 c'mon. Get over yourself.

At that point I feel sorry for the sad sacks on the US team who couldn't score.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Happens all the time, across almost all sports.

Which is why having separate women's sports is so crucial. And why supporting women's sports is so crucial. Look at how dominant our women's team is. And that's happened just since the 70's/80's with Title IX. And it helps give Thailand, and other growing teams, something to work towards. It's pretty amazing and I'm thrilled my girls are growing up in a time when women's and girl's sports are supported and recognized!

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.

However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)

The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.

So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.

Why're 10 ok and 13 are right out? What math are you using to justify that?

The justification of if you are truly great you don't NEED goal differential to escape group stage. Win your games in group and shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:The social justice warriors, also known as the no fun club, alway want to debate. They find a victim in every situation and attempt to exploit it until we all surrender.

Half of them are currently sitting inside their Prius crying.

If the US needs that goal differential to get out of group stage then I guess they should celebrate them with such unbridled enthusiasm.

That's the thing. In the first game, you have no idea. They have to get past Sweden, to whom they lost in the Olympics. And Sweden plays Thailand after the US plays them, so they have no idea how many goals up Sweden would have gone.

It's unlikely they will need that many goals. But if Sweden goes 20-0 against Thailand, you're then saying the US team sucks for dialing it back too far. Expecting teams to see the future is ridiculous.

If they need 13 GOALS they are not good. That is the only point and the only takeaway.

Or, if they need 13 goals, then Thailand was completely outmatched and good for them for giving it a try.

We won't know until Sweden plays Thailand. Then you might find out that 13 goals was a good number. Or not enough. Or overkill. But since none of us can see into the future, the best our soccer players can do is play as hard as they can, as well as they can.

Nobody has criticized the outcome or how they played. They have been criticized for how they ACTED

Wrong. Go back and read the thread. Several posts, and presumably posters, have criticized "running up" the score.

Not really. That was a tactical decision made by coaching not the players. But at least that is a debatable soccer/tactical discussion. The celebrations are separate from the play and I think the biggest complaint is based pretty much on excessive celebrating well past the game being competitive.

Yes. Really. If you go back and read the thread you will read people criticizing how they played, specifically talking about "running up" the score.

The more recent conversation has been about "excessive celebrating," but personally I think that's just what people are latching onto since they've realized that goal differential actually is important but they still have to complain about ~something~.

That is one person. But nearly all of the news coverage on the topic has been solely about the celebrations and not about the goals. You can try and twist the narrative but it is about the celebrations.

And a great deal of the news coverage has been "team criticized for..." but that doesn't make it right. I watch soccer. Their celebrations were in line with soccer celebrations. If there's a problem with soccer celebrations, FIFA has the power to change them. There's not a problem with them, so FIFA isn't going to do anything. But people are going to kvetch and moan because that's what people do.

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Anonymous wrote:leg farts are what rapinoe did after scoring to go up 9-0. watch a clip

Then why's everyone complaining about "celebrating" and not "how Rapinoe chose to celebrate" ?

One makes it seem like the entire team was engaging in classless, unsportsmanlike behavior, and the other makes it seem like one player was over the top.

Interesting. Don't you think?

Because an example of a crass celebration was asked for.

All were excessive, hers was just excessive AND crass

If all were excessive, you have to agree that all soccer goal celebrations are excessive. You probably should avoid watching sports. Sounds like it's not good for you.

I once hugged my DD and told her she was awesome after she blocked every shot against her in a lacrosse game. I hope you'll forgive my excessive celebrating.

Do what you want when a game is competitive. The score could have been 9-8 and all 17 goals would have been worthy of grand celebration. 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, 12-0, 13-0 c'mon. Get over yourself.

At that point I feel sorry for the sad sacks on the US team who couldn't score.

They're World Cup teams, playing in the World Cup. Competitive, by definition.

Rank the celebrations please. Which of the celebrations were "grand" and which were ... tall? Are we using Starbucks sizing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't think most people have seen the brackets. The US is in Group F with Chile, Sweden, and Thailand. The top TWO teams advance. If a team wins all three matches there are NO goal differential used. They would have 9 points (3 points for a win and 1 for a tie). If the US beats Sweden they will end up in first place. If the US loses to Sweden they will end up in second place and advance. The ONLY scenario where goal differential matters is if they tie Sweden. Then they would use goal differential. And because there are 24 teams to start and they have to go down to 16 teams then 4 third place teams will advance as well. This is different than World Cup where 32 teams start and only the top two teams advance.

However, if you look at the knock out stage, the US got a really easy draw! 24 teams start out
First place of Group F (US, Sweden, Thailand, Chile) plays 2nd place team of Group B (Germany, Spain, South Africa, China)

The SECOND place team in Group F will play the SECOND place team of E (New Zealand, Cameron, Canada, Netherlands). This is different than in the men's word cup because twop third place teams will advance.

So there was NO reason to score over 10 goals. And the celebrating that went along with it is ridiculous.

Why're 10 ok and 13 are right out? What math are you using to justify that?

The justification of if you are truly great you don't NEED goal differential to escape group stage. Win your games in group and shut up.

If that's the case, why doesn't FIFA do away with goal differential? Have you contacted them to alert them to your brilliance?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues here.

1. Scoring goals (yes, it's ok! we need them for the goal differential). For those who don't understand why, use google.

2. Being total assholes about scoring goals after we were up 9-0 or so. (for those that don't understand sportsmanship, please see my daughters 2nd grade soccer team, they will explain it to you).

So if your daughter's team was up by 9, and a kid scored her very first goal, NO CELEBRATING!

Right?

That kid should have had better timing and scored her very first goal during the "Celebrations Allowed" period.

Well if you think that professional athletes and defending world champions should celebrate the way a 7 year old girl would then you don't understand the difference.

Any way that they choose to celebrate is how professional athletes and world champions celebrate, because they are professional athletes and world champions.

When a 7 year old girl does leg farts after scoring the 9th goal you will see how dumb it is for her too.

So you don't have a problem with the team, you have a problem with Rapinoe. I assume you have a problem with every other world class player who's on the farther end of celebrating, too? You're not just anti-Rapinoe?

Though, since apparently you're using a couple seconds of Rapinoe's behavior to tar an entire team, you might well just be some crazy anti-Rapinoe person.

Nope, I have a problem with celebrating "achievement" in such a lopsided game.

I love that Rapinoe stands up for what she believes in. Kneel during the anthem for a just cause? I'm down with that. Not putting her hand on her heart during the anthem to protest a just cause? I'm down with that too. Doing leg farts in a lopsided game against a VERY inferior opponent? I'm not down with that. How did she raise the bar or lift the women's game with that? The game was in hand. There was nothing more to celebrate.