Nothing tastes as good as thin feels

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried cookies, though? Or doughnuts? What about Bacon, french fries, cheeseburgers, pizza, chocolate, wine, beer?

Damn, I need to get lunch.

You forgot cheese cake!

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This is silly

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YOLO OP!

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I've been fat and skinny (at least a 50 pound swing more than once) and this is mostly a lie. One of the things about being a formerly fat person is that it's kind of like being a spy. I realize how many people treat you so differently. Like most people who lose a bunch of weight, I'm never stable there. My weight swings back up as soon as I ease up at all (I mean AT ALL) on the diet. I remember when I was my thinnest I agreed to go to a sushi dinner and I gained 6 pounds overnight. It took me 2 weeks to get it back off.

So anyway when I'm thin, I'm feeling anxiety about re-gaining and despair/anger at people for how they treat me, interspersed with feeling exhilarated/thrilled with my physical abilities and/or sex appeal. It's definitely a mixed bag. But, so is food.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been fat and skinny (at least a 50 pound swing more than once) and this is mostly a lie. One of the things about being a formerly fat person is that it's kind of like being a spy. I realize how many people treat you so differently. Like most people who lose a bunch of weight, I'm never stable there. My weight swings back up as soon as I ease up at all (I mean AT ALL) on the diet. I remember when I was my thinnest I agreed to go to a sushi dinner and I gained 6 pounds overnight. It took me 2 weeks to get it back off.

So anyway when I'm thin, I'm feeling anxiety about re-gaining and despair/anger at people for how they treat me, interspersed with feeling exhilarated/thrilled with my physical abilities and/or sex appeal. It's definitely a mixed bag. But, so is food.

You don't get fat overnight. It was water retention from eating salt and carbs.
And I am on low carb and IF myself, so I know the struggle is real

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Anonymous wrote:The ______ has sugar people drive me crazy. When was the last time you ate a whole bottle of ketchup?

There is almost 4gr of sugar in a tablespoon of ketchup.That is more sugar than in a cookie. Not sure what your point is?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/do-you-know-how-much-sugar-is-in-your-ketchup/2015/06/02/9496b77e-fe5f-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html?utm_term=.c421b2ead8d2

Yeah, if you're slathering ketchup on everything you eat, morning-noon-and-night, you're not doing yourself any favors.

But if you use ketchup to dip some fries, or go alongside your scrambled eggs, every now and again? You're fine.

*Just like cookies are fine sometimes!*

Moderation. Balance. Did I just blow your mind?

If you're counting carbs you learn that the little things add up. You may not want to waste your carbs on stupid things like ketchup or sweetened creamer. You may prefer a sugar free bbq sauce to a sugary one.

Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?

I never count carbs/calories. That's obsessive and food-focused and not how healthy/normal/slender people eat, and I'm a healthy/normal/slender person.

Do I have fries and ketchup at every opportunity? No. But when they sound extra-good, I have them. I don't plow through a whole serving mindlessly; I stop when I'm satiated. Sometimes, that means I eat almost all of them. Sometimes, that means I eat less than half of them. They're not evil, they're not going to bring me a deep sense of comfort--they're just fries.

Do I grab a pedestrian-looking bagel off the conference spread just because it's free, and it's there? No. But if a colleague brings in specialty bagels that look or smell particularly delicious, you bet I'm having one--and again, that could just mean half.

I'm counting carbs because the alternative would be me developing type 2 diabetes. Enjoy your "normal", I used to be that way, too .

I will!

If and when I ever need to count carbs, I will. But don't roll up to a conversation about whether it's OK to eat ketchup (hint: it is). It's not *for you,* because you have a health issue. No one here is talking about how one should be eating with certain health issues.

If people prefer to avoid ketchup because they are avoiding sugar, in general, as a way to prevent health issues then they can absolutely say that ketchup has too much sugar in their opinion.

FWIW, I do not have Type 2 diabetes because I prefer to prevent that health issue through proper diet.

If someone just straightforwardly says (ideally, only after being asked) why they avoid ketchup? That's cool.

My obnoxious co-worker who goes on-again-off-again Keto is so damn annoying to eat lunch with. He's the guy who will look at what you ordered and comment on it. Sooooo effing virtuous that he alone knows the secrets of the universe when it comes to ketchup. Then, three months later, like clockwork, he's off again and housing burgers, fries AND a milkshake while I have some fries (with evil ketchup!) a bunless turkey burger and water, like I always have, because that's what I prefer.

That would be super annoying and I don't comment on what other people order. I might say "That looks good" or something like that but no way would I criticize their choice. That would be terribly rude.

I get bunless burgers w/cheese, water and a side salad or a steamed vegetable no fries.

Again, some more: No one cares if you are on Keto or some other program. This whole thing with me saying it's annoying when someone is "on program" and acting morally superior to others who are eating fairly normally.

If my co-worker just did his Keto thing and minded his own business, I wouldn't care AT ALL. But the thing with a lot of these fad programs is that people act superior and high and mighty, and tell you all about the evils of ketchup.

I just want to say to them, "So you lost 30 pounds; that's great. I never have had 30 pounds to lose, and I know how to enjoy food without obsessing about it. So shut up about the damn ketchup."

If someone is doing Keto as a fad diet and being obnoxious about it, that's them. I can assure you that for those of us who do low carb as a lifestyle we are pretty sick of explaining, yet again, why we're ordering our burgers bunless and why we prefer to get a salad instead of fries. I actually don't pay that much attention to what other people are eating and I probably wouldn't notice if you were sprinkling sugar on your french fries. If I did notice I wouldn't say anything.

Nice backpedaling. You've already established that you're superior to me, right? After all, I'm "one of the people who is eating fries" so I'm ignorant about "little things like carbs in ketchup." I "might as well enjoy them, right?"

I sure will. At a healthy weight.

My teenagers and husband eat ketchup. I am personally avoiding it because I am in the process of losing weight. Again, here I am explaining why *I* do not eat ketchup. Has not a thing to do with you! Really.

If you aren't the person who wrote this line, then I'm not talking to you:
"Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?"

If you are the person who wrote that line, I am talking to you.

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Ketchup isn't going to be the reason you gain weight, unless you're eating an entire container of it.

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Anonymous wrote:The ______ has sugar people drive me crazy. When was the last time you ate a whole bottle of ketchup?

There is almost 4gr of sugar in a tablespoon of ketchup.That is more sugar than in a cookie. Not sure what your point is?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/do-you-know-how-much-sugar-is-in-your-ketchup/2015/06/02/9496b77e-fe5f-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html?utm_term=.c421b2ead8d2

Yeah, if you're slathering ketchup on everything you eat, morning-noon-and-night, you're not doing yourself any favors.

But if you use ketchup to dip some fries, or go alongside your scrambled eggs, every now and again? You're fine.

*Just like cookies are fine sometimes!*

Moderation. Balance. Did I just blow your mind?

If you're counting carbs you learn that the little things add up. You may not want to waste your carbs on stupid things like ketchup or sweetened creamer. You may prefer a sugar free bbq sauce to a sugary one.

Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?

I never count carbs/calories. That's obsessive and food-focused and not how healthy/normal/slender people eat, and I'm a healthy/normal/slender person.

Do I have fries and ketchup at every opportunity? No. But when they sound extra-good, I have them. I don't plow through a whole serving mindlessly; I stop when I'm satiated. Sometimes, that means I eat almost all of them. Sometimes, that means I eat less than half of them. They're not evil, they're not going to bring me a deep sense of comfort--they're just fries.

Do I grab a pedestrian-looking bagel off the conference spread just because it's free, and it's there? No. But if a colleague brings in specialty bagels that look or smell particularly delicious, you bet I'm having one--and again, that could just mean half.

I'm counting carbs because the alternative would be me developing type 2 diabetes. Enjoy your "normal", I used to be that way, too .

I will!

If and when I ever need to count carbs, I will. But don't roll up to a conversation about whether it's OK to eat ketchup (hint: it is). It's not *for you,* because you have a health issue. No one here is talking about how one should be eating with certain health issues.

If people prefer to avoid ketchup because they are avoiding sugar, in general, as a way to prevent health issues then they can absolutely say that ketchup has too much sugar in their opinion.

FWIW, I do not have Type 2 diabetes because I prefer to prevent that health issue through proper diet.

If someone just straightforwardly says (ideally, only after being asked) why they avoid ketchup? That's cool.

My obnoxious co-worker who goes on-again-off-again Keto is so damn annoying to eat lunch with. He's the guy who will look at what you ordered and comment on it. Sooooo effing virtuous that he alone knows the secrets of the universe when it comes to ketchup. Then, three months later, like clockwork, he's off again and housing burgers, fries AND a milkshake while I have some fries (with evil ketchup!) a bunless turkey burger and water, like I always have, because that's what I prefer.

That would be super annoying and I don't comment on what other people order. I might say "That looks good" or something like that but no way would I criticize their choice. That would be terribly rude.

I get bunless burgers w/cheese, water and a side salad or a steamed vegetable no fries.

Again, some more: No one cares if you are on Keto or some other program. This whole thing with me saying it's annoying when someone is "on program" and acting morally superior to others who are eating fairly normally.

If my co-worker just did his Keto thing and minded his own business, I wouldn't care AT ALL. But the thing with a lot of these fad programs is that people act superior and high and mighty, and tell you all about the evils of ketchup.

I just want to say to them, "So you lost 30 pounds; that's great. I never have had 30 pounds to lose, and I know how to enjoy food without obsessing about it. So shut up about the damn ketchup."

If someone is doing Keto as a fad diet and being obnoxious about it, that's them. I can assure you that for those of us who do low carb as a lifestyle we are pretty sick of explaining, yet again, why we're ordering our burgers bunless and why we prefer to get a salad instead of fries. I actually don't pay that much attention to what other people are eating and I probably wouldn't notice if you were sprinkling sugar on your french fries. If I did notice I wouldn't say anything.

Nice backpedaling. You've already established that you're superior to me, right? After all, I'm "one of the people who is eating fries" so I'm ignorant about "little things like carbs in ketchup." I "might as well enjoy them, right?"

I sure will. At a healthy weight.

My teenagers and husband eat ketchup. I am personally avoiding it because I am in the process of losing weight. Again, here I am explaining why *I* do not eat ketchup. Has not a thing to do with you! Really.

If you aren't the person who wrote this line, then I'm not talking to you:
"Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?"

If you are the person who wrote that line, I am talking to you.

I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

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Anonymous wrote:I've been fat and skinny (at least a 50 pound swing more than once) and this is mostly a lie. One of the things about being a formerly fat person is that it's kind of like being a spy. I realize how many people treat you so differently. Like most people who lose a bunch of weight, I'm never stable there. My weight swings back up as soon as I ease up at all (I mean AT ALL) on the diet. I remember when I was my thinnest I agreed to go to a sushi dinner and I gained 6 pounds overnight. It took me 2 weeks to get it back off.

So anyway when I'm thin, I'm feeling anxiety about re-gaining and despair/anger at people for how they treat me, interspersed with feeling exhilarated/thrilled with my physical abilities and/or sex appeal. It's definitely a mixed bag. But, so is food.

I've been pretty fat and pretty skinny before. Same body, same me but a wide variance in weights. I'm now somewhere in the middle of my extremes and I feel MUCH more comfortable at this lower weight than I did my higher weight. When I'm eating right and exercising I feel really good. At this point, I know that I'm never going back to the "normal" high carb diet that I ate in the past. That ship has sailed. Low carb eating has become a habit for me now. Keto has simply put a new take on it which I like.

When you are eating low carb and you suddenly eat a bunch of carbs you can absolutely see it on the scale the next day, sometimes in a big way (6 pounds!). But if you get back on track with your low carb diet, then you will take those pounds right back off. The problem happens when people eat a high carb meal, see their weight go up and then abandon their low carb diet altogether....that's when 6 pounds, turns into 15 pounds, 20, 30, 40, 50+ pounds. Next thing you know, you're back to square one.

Intermittent fasting is a good tool to use when you need to even out calories from an over-indulgence. I think IF will be great tool to use for weight maintenance.

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Anonymous wrote:The ______ has sugar people drive me crazy. When was the last time you ate a whole bottle of ketchup?

There is almost 4gr of sugar in a tablespoon of ketchup.That is more sugar than in a cookie. Not sure what your point is?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/do-you-know-how-much-sugar-is-in-your-ketchup/2015/06/02/9496b77e-fe5f-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html?utm_term=.c421b2ead8d2

Yeah, if you're slathering ketchup on everything you eat, morning-noon-and-night, you're not doing yourself any favors.

But if you use ketchup to dip some fries, or go alongside your scrambled eggs, every now and again? You're fine.

*Just like cookies are fine sometimes!*

Moderation. Balance. Did I just blow your mind?

If you're counting carbs you learn that the little things add up. You may not want to waste your carbs on stupid things like ketchup or sweetened creamer. You may prefer a sugar free bbq sauce to a sugary one.

Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?

I never count carbs/calories. That's obsessive and food-focused and not how healthy/normal/slender people eat, and I'm a healthy/normal/slender person.

Do I have fries and ketchup at every opportunity? No. But when they sound extra-good, I have them. I don't plow through a whole serving mindlessly; I stop when I'm satiated. Sometimes, that means I eat almost all of them. Sometimes, that means I eat less than half of them. They're not evil, they're not going to bring me a deep sense of comfort--they're just fries.

Do I grab a pedestrian-looking bagel off the conference spread just because it's free, and it's there? No. But if a colleague brings in specialty bagels that look or smell particularly delicious, you bet I'm having one--and again, that could just mean half.

I'm counting carbs because the alternative would be me developing type 2 diabetes. Enjoy your "normal", I used to be that way, too .

I will!

If and when I ever need to count carbs, I will. But don't roll up to a conversation about whether it's OK to eat ketchup (hint: it is). It's not *for you,* because you have a health issue. No one here is talking about how one should be eating with certain health issues.

If people prefer to avoid ketchup because they are avoiding sugar, in general, as a way to prevent health issues then they can absolutely say that ketchup has too much sugar in their opinion.

FWIW, I do not have Type 2 diabetes because I prefer to prevent that health issue through proper diet.

If someone just straightforwardly says (ideally, only after being asked) why they avoid ketchup? That's cool.

My obnoxious co-worker who goes on-again-off-again Keto is so damn annoying to eat lunch with. He's the guy who will look at what you ordered and comment on it. Sooooo effing virtuous that he alone knows the secrets of the universe when it comes to ketchup. Then, three months later, like clockwork, he's off again and housing burgers, fries AND a milkshake while I have some fries (with evil ketchup!) a bunless turkey burger and water, like I always have, because that's what I prefer.

That would be super annoying and I don't comment on what other people order. I might say "That looks good" or something like that but no way would I criticize their choice. That would be terribly rude.

I get bunless burgers w/cheese, water and a side salad or a steamed vegetable no fries.

Again, some more: No one cares if you are on Keto or some other program. This whole thing with me saying it's annoying when someone is "on program" and acting morally superior to others who are eating fairly normally.

If my co-worker just did his Keto thing and minded his own business, I wouldn't care AT ALL. But the thing with a lot of these fad programs is that people act superior and high and mighty, and tell you all about the evils of ketchup.

I just want to say to them, "So you lost 30 pounds; that's great. I never have had 30 pounds to lose, and I know how to enjoy food without obsessing about it. So shut up about the damn ketchup."

If someone is doing Keto as a fad diet and being obnoxious about it, that's them. I can assure you that for those of us who do low carb as a lifestyle we are pretty sick of explaining, yet again, why we're ordering our burgers bunless and why we prefer to get a salad instead of fries. I actually don't pay that much attention to what other people are eating and I probably wouldn't notice if you were sprinkling sugar on your french fries. If I did notice I wouldn't say anything.

Nice backpedaling. You've already established that you're superior to me, right? After all, I'm "one of the people who is eating fries" so I'm ignorant about "little things like carbs in ketchup." I "might as well enjoy them, right?"

I sure will. At a healthy weight.

My teenagers and husband eat ketchup. I am personally avoiding it because I am in the process of losing weight. Again, here I am explaining why *I* do not eat ketchup. Has not a thing to do with you! Really.

If you aren't the person who wrote this line, then I'm not talking to you:
"Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?"

If you are the person who wrote that line, I am talking to you.

I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

Hahahaha! Belga Cafe is fast food?

I don't eat fries at McDonald's; I don't eat anything there. When I enjoy fries, they are usually at Central or Cafe Normandie or somewhere good. They are a treat, an indulgence, for sure. Luckily, I can enjoy indulgent foods in moderation and still be healthy, slender...and very, very happy.

I'm so sorry you can't say the same.

Some people (probably you in the past) ate crap versions of indulgent foods and thus learned to fear them.

Those of us who have the self-control and the self-respect to enjoy small portions of only the best foods as sometimes-treats need not fear fries, cake, guacamole, mojitos, or any other wonderfully indulgent food.

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I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

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DP but not. The poiint is YOU.ARE.WRONG.

Plenty of people understand balance and moderation as well as having the self-control to occassionally indulge while still being healthy and fit. Even *GASP* someone who has been known to consune some french fries. With or witbout ketchup. Possibly with or withoutmalt vinegar too.

Clearly you are not someone who can handle that, and that’s fine. But your pre-conceived notions of someone who eats french fries are completely ridiculous. I literally cannot think of a single thing the fact that someone consumes french fries allows you to conclude. That they are alive and human?

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I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

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DP but not. The poiint is YOU.ARE.WRONG.

Plenty of people understand balance and moderation as well as having the self-control to occassionally indulge while still being healthy and fit. Even *GASP* someone who has been known to consune some french fries. With or witbout ketchup. Possibly with or withoutmalt vinegar too.

Clearly you are not someone who can handle that, and that’s fine. But your pre-conceived notions of someone who eats french fries are completely ridiculous. I literally cannot think of a single thing the fact that someone consumes french fries allows you to conclude. That they are alive and human?

Dude, if you are downing a plate of fries - I don't care if you do it daily, weekly or as a once a year indulgence - you are not going to worry about the ketchup. You just aren't.

I'm not saying that you are ignorant of the fact that ketchup has carbs in it. I'm just saying that when you are indulging in a plate of french fries you are unlikely to be concerning yourself with the calorie/carb content of the ketchup. If you aren't dipping your fries in ketchup, it's because you prefer to dip them in mayo or bbq sauce or whatever else floats your boat.

Honestly, I really and truly don't care if or how often you eat fries. And I really, really don't care if you eat them with ketchup.

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Anonymous wrote:The ______ has sugar people drive me crazy. When was the last time you ate a whole bottle of ketchup?

There is almost 4gr of sugar in a tablespoon of ketchup.That is more sugar than in a cookie. Not sure what your point is?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/do-you-know-how-much-sugar-is-in-your-ketchup/2015/06/02/9496b77e-fe5f-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html?utm_term=.c421b2ead8d2

Yeah, if you're slathering ketchup on everything you eat, morning-noon-and-night, you're not doing yourself any favors.

But if you use ketchup to dip some fries, or go alongside your scrambled eggs, every now and again? You're fine.

*Just like cookies are fine sometimes!*

Moderation. Balance. Did I just blow your mind?

If you're counting carbs you learn that the little things add up. You may not want to waste your carbs on stupid things like ketchup or sweetened creamer. You may prefer a sugar free bbq sauce to a sugary one.

Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?

I never count carbs/calories. That's obsessive and food-focused and not how healthy/normal/slender people eat, and I'm a healthy/normal/slender person.

Do I have fries and ketchup at every opportunity? No. But when they sound extra-good, I have them. I don't plow through a whole serving mindlessly; I stop when I'm satiated. Sometimes, that means I eat almost all of them. Sometimes, that means I eat less than half of them. They're not evil, they're not going to bring me a deep sense of comfort--they're just fries.

Do I grab a pedestrian-looking bagel off the conference spread just because it's free, and it's there? No. But if a colleague brings in specialty bagels that look or smell particularly delicious, you bet I'm having one--and again, that could just mean half.

I'm counting carbs because the alternative would be me developing type 2 diabetes. Enjoy your "normal", I used to be that way, too .

I will!

If and when I ever need to count carbs, I will. But don't roll up to a conversation about whether it's OK to eat ketchup (hint: it is). It's not *for you,* because you have a health issue. No one here is talking about how one should be eating with certain health issues.

If people prefer to avoid ketchup because they are avoiding sugar, in general, as a way to prevent health issues then they can absolutely say that ketchup has too much sugar in their opinion.

FWIW, I do not have Type 2 diabetes because I prefer to prevent that health issue through proper diet.

If someone just straightforwardly says (ideally, only after being asked) why they avoid ketchup? That's cool.

My obnoxious co-worker who goes on-again-off-again Keto is so damn annoying to eat lunch with. He's the guy who will look at what you ordered and comment on it. Sooooo effing virtuous that he alone knows the secrets of the universe when it comes to ketchup. Then, three months later, like clockwork, he's off again and housing burgers, fries AND a milkshake while I have some fries (with evil ketchup!) a bunless turkey burger and water, like I always have, because that's what I prefer.

That would be super annoying and I don't comment on what other people order. I might say "That looks good" or something like that but no way would I criticize their choice. That would be terribly rude.

I get bunless burgers w/cheese, water and a side salad or a steamed vegetable no fries.

Again, some more: No one cares if you are on Keto or some other program. This whole thing with me saying it's annoying when someone is "on program" and acting morally superior to others who are eating fairly normally.

If my co-worker just did his Keto thing and minded his own business, I wouldn't care AT ALL. But the thing with a lot of these fad programs is that people act superior and high and mighty, and tell you all about the evils of ketchup.

I just want to say to them, "So you lost 30 pounds; that's great. I never have had 30 pounds to lose, and I know how to enjoy food without obsessing about it. So shut up about the damn ketchup."

If someone is doing Keto as a fad diet and being obnoxious about it, that's them. I can assure you that for those of us who do low carb as a lifestyle we are pretty sick of explaining, yet again, why we're ordering our burgers bunless and why we prefer to get a salad instead of fries. I actually don't pay that much attention to what other people are eating and I probably wouldn't notice if you were sprinkling sugar on your french fries. If I did notice I wouldn't say anything.

Nice backpedaling. You've already established that you're superior to me, right? After all, I'm "one of the people who is eating fries" so I'm ignorant about "little things like carbs in ketchup." I "might as well enjoy them, right?"

I sure will. At a healthy weight.

My teenagers and husband eat ketchup. I am personally avoiding it because I am in the process of losing weight. Again, here I am explaining why *I* do not eat ketchup. Has not a thing to do with you! Really.

If you aren't the person who wrote this line, then I'm not talking to you:
"Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?"

If you are the person who wrote that line, I am talking to you.

I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

Hahahaha! Belga Cafe is fast food?

I don't eat fries at McDonald's; I don't eat anything there. When I enjoy fries, they are usually at Central or Cafe Normandie or somewhere good. They are a treat, an indulgence, for sure. Luckily, I can enjoy indulgent foods in moderation and still be healthy, slender...and very, very happy.

I'm so sorry you can't say the same.

Some people (probably you in the past) ate crap versions of indulgent foods and thus learned to fear them.

Those of us who have the self-control and the self-respect to enjoy small portions of only the best foods as sometimes-treats need not fear fries, cake, guacamole, mojitos, or any other wonderfully indulgent food.

I used to eat a Whopper junior with cheese and a small onion rings (prefer them to fries) exactly once a week. I stopped doing that maybe 20 years ago. I rarely eat fast food now.

I got fat eating healthy food and not cutting carbs soon enough.

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Anonymous wrote:The ______ has sugar people drive me crazy. When was the last time you ate a whole bottle of ketchup?

There is almost 4gr of sugar in a tablespoon of ketchup.That is more sugar than in a cookie. Not sure what your point is?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/do-you-know-how-much-sugar-is-in-your-ketchup/2015/06/02/9496b77e-fe5f-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html?utm_term=.c421b2ead8d2

Yeah, if you're slathering ketchup on everything you eat, morning-noon-and-night, you're not doing yourself any favors.

But if you use ketchup to dip some fries, or go alongside your scrambled eggs, every now and again? You're fine.

*Just like cookies are fine sometimes!*

Moderation. Balance. Did I just blow your mind?

If you're counting carbs you learn that the little things add up. You may not want to waste your carbs on stupid things like ketchup or sweetened creamer. You may prefer a sugar free bbq sauce to a sugary one.

Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?

I never count carbs/calories. That's obsessive and food-focused and not how healthy/normal/slender people eat, and I'm a healthy/normal/slender person.

Do I have fries and ketchup at every opportunity? No. But when they sound extra-good, I have them. I don't plow through a whole serving mindlessly; I stop when I'm satiated. Sometimes, that means I eat almost all of them. Sometimes, that means I eat less than half of them. They're not evil, they're not going to bring me a deep sense of comfort--they're just fries.

Do I grab a pedestrian-looking bagel off the conference spread just because it's free, and it's there? No. But if a colleague brings in specialty bagels that look or smell particularly delicious, you bet I'm having one--and again, that could just mean half.

I'm counting carbs because the alternative would be me developing type 2 diabetes. Enjoy your "normal", I used to be that way, too .

I will!

If and when I ever need to count carbs, I will. But don't roll up to a conversation about whether it's OK to eat ketchup (hint: it is). It's not *for you,* because you have a health issue. No one here is talking about how one should be eating with certain health issues.

If people prefer to avoid ketchup because they are avoiding sugar, in general, as a way to prevent health issues then they can absolutely say that ketchup has too much sugar in their opinion.

FWIW, I do not have Type 2 diabetes because I prefer to prevent that health issue through proper diet.

If someone just straightforwardly says (ideally, only after being asked) why they avoid ketchup? That's cool.

My obnoxious co-worker who goes on-again-off-again Keto is so damn annoying to eat lunch with. He's the guy who will look at what you ordered and comment on it. Sooooo effing virtuous that he alone knows the secrets of the universe when it comes to ketchup. Then, three months later, like clockwork, he's off again and housing burgers, fries AND a milkshake while I have some fries (with evil ketchup!) a bunless turkey burger and water, like I always have, because that's what I prefer.

That would be super annoying and I don't comment on what other people order. I might say "That looks good" or something like that but no way would I criticize their choice. That would be terribly rude.

I get bunless burgers w/cheese, water and a side salad or a steamed vegetable no fries.

Again, some more: No one cares if you are on Keto or some other program. This whole thing with me saying it's annoying when someone is "on program" and acting morally superior to others who are eating fairly normally.

If my co-worker just did his Keto thing and minded his own business, I wouldn't care AT ALL. But the thing with a lot of these fad programs is that people act superior and high and mighty, and tell you all about the evils of ketchup.

I just want to say to them, "So you lost 30 pounds; that's great. I never have had 30 pounds to lose, and I know how to enjoy food without obsessing about it. So shut up about the damn ketchup."

If someone is doing Keto as a fad diet and being obnoxious about it, that's them. I can assure you that for those of us who do low carb as a lifestyle we are pretty sick of explaining, yet again, why we're ordering our burgers bunless and why we prefer to get a salad instead of fries. I actually don't pay that much attention to what other people are eating and I probably wouldn't notice if you were sprinkling sugar on your french fries. If I did notice I wouldn't say anything.

Nice backpedaling. You've already established that you're superior to me, right? After all, I'm "one of the people who is eating fries" so I'm ignorant about "little things like carbs in ketchup." I "might as well enjoy them, right?"

I sure will. At a healthy weight.

My teenagers and husband eat ketchup. I am personally avoiding it because I am in the process of losing weight. Again, here I am explaining why *I* do not eat ketchup. Has not a thing to do with you! Really.

If you aren't the person who wrote this line, then I'm not talking to you:
"Of course, people who are eating fries aren't going to worry about a little thing like carbs in ketchup. Might as well enjoy them, right?"

If you are the person who wrote that line, I am talking to you.

I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

Hahahaha! Belga Cafe is fast food?

I don't eat fries at McDonald's; I don't eat anything there. When I enjoy fries, they are usually at Central or Cafe Normandie or somewhere good. They are a treat, an indulgence, for sure. Luckily, I can enjoy indulgent foods in moderation and still be healthy, slender...and very, very happy.

I'm so sorry you can't say the same.

Some people (probably you in the past) ate crap versions of indulgent foods and thus learned to fear them.

Those of us who have the self-control and the self-respect to enjoy small portions of only the best foods as sometimes-treats need not fear fries, cake, guacamole, mojitos, or any other wonderfully indulgent food.

I used to eat a Whopper junior with cheese and a small onion rings (prefer them to fries) exactly once a week. I stopped doing that maybe 20 years ago. I rarely eat fast food now.

I got fat eating healthy food and not cutting carbs soon enough.

Too bad for you. Too bad that you eat such a strict diet and have to watch your weight; I don't mean that snarkily.

But your issues with your weight don't mean you get to miscast me (and people who eat small portions of high-quality, indulgent food *sometimes*) as the type of person who frequently eats "a big plate of" fast food fries.

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I wrote it. I did indeed. The point is, someone who is consuming fast food fries is not going to be worried about the sugar in their ketchup. If your going to have a big plate of fries anyway, why not have ketchup?

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DP but not. The poiint is YOU.ARE.WRONG.

Plenty of people understand balance and moderation as well as having the self-control to occassionally indulge while still being healthy and fit. Even *GASP* someone who has been known to consune some french fries. With or witbout ketchup. Possibly with or withoutmalt vinegar too.

Clearly you are not someone who can handle that, and that’s fine. But your pre-conceived notions of someone who eats french fries are completely ridiculous. I literally cannot think of a single thing the fact that someone consumes french fries allows you to conclude. That they are alive and human?

Dude, if you are downing a plate of fries - I don't care if you do it daily, weekly or as a once a year indulgence - you are not going to worry about the ketchup. You just aren't.

I'm not saying that you are ignorant of the fact that ketchup has carbs in it. I'm just saying that when you are indulging in a plate of french fries you are unlikely to be concerning yourself with the calorie/carb content of the ketchup. If you aren't dipping your fries in ketchup, it's because you prefer to dip them in mayo or bbq sauce or whatever else floats your boat.

Honestly, I really and truly don't care if or how often you eat fries. And I really, really don't care if you eat them with ketchup.

NP. I'm about to blow your mind...did you realize that some of us can eat fries without eating "a whole plate" of them?

My friends frequently make fun of me for leaving well over half the fries on my plate, along with about half a burger. They can make fun of me all they want, I'm the one smiling and looking good in my bathing suit at the beach.

Do I count every calorie? No. Do I feel a compulsion to plow through an entire "plate of" fries every time I choose to have some fries? Nope.

Sorry you do feel that all-or-nothing compulsion. Some of us know that life is grand, we will see French fries again, so we can have four or five and move on with our day.