Truck kills 30 in France

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Now it appears to be just another crazy person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/nice-terror-attack-driver-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/

Good luck convincing anyone of that. We all know that Muslims, like black people, can't be crazy. They can only be evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

"Violence begets violence" is not just a quaint aphorism. Or, as Gandhi is quoted as saying, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

If we don't break the cycle, we are destined to be stuck in it for a long time.

Okay let's welcome them into our county and give them free education and free healthcare to befriend them. Oh that's right France already did that and their children - second generation terrorists- continue to kill the French. They had it way better in France than back home regardless of how they view France. They didn't have free food, education, healthcare in their former countries. Germany reached out and welcomed a million refugees and still no good will is coming our way. They still want to kill us.

Sounds like you know nothing about France's history with immigrants, particularly Muslim ones

Today is not the day to be blaming France for this. 80+ people who did absolutely nothing wrong but wanted to celebrate their national holiday are dead. A beautiful amazing place with amazing people is under lockdown and cleaning up a massacre. Enjoy being self righteous, but the fact that there are racists in France or France has a colonial history (like every other major European power) does not justify mass murder of innocent civilians. I am fed up with people like you constantly making excuses. There is no excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

"Violence begets violence" is not just a quaint aphorism. Or, as Gandhi is quoted as saying, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

If we don't break the cycle, we are destined to be stuck in it for a long time.

Okay let's welcome them into our county and give them free education and free healthcare to befriend them. Oh that's right France already did that and their children - second generation terrorists- continue to kill the French. They had it way better in France than back home regardless of how they view France. They didn't have free food, education, healthcare in their former countries. Germany reached out and welcomed a million refugees and still no good will is coming our way. They still want to kill us.

Sounds like you know nothing about France's history with immigrants, particularly Muslim ones

Today is not the day to be blaming France for this. 80+ people who did absolutely nothing wrong but wanted to celebrate their national holiday are dead. A beautiful amazing place with amazing people is under lockdown and cleaning up a massacre. Enjoy being self righteous, but the fact that there are racists in France or France has a colonial history (like every other major European power) does not justify mass murder of innocent civilians. I am fed up with people like you constantly making excuses. There is no excuse.

Who is blaming France or making excuses? People are asking how to stop this. You cannot stop this unless you look at the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it appears to be just another crazy person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/nice-terror-attack-driver-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/

Good luck convincing anyone of that. We all know that Muslims, like black people, can't be crazy. They can only be evil.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it appears to be just another crazy person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/nice-terror-attack-driver-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/

Good luck convincing anyone of that. We all know that Muslims, like black people, can't be crazy. They can only be evil.

Whatever you want to call it, doesn't violence perpetrated upon innocent people stem from the perpetrator's inner rage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Liberals base much of their political identity on protecting and promoting the rights of women. It is a complete mystery to me why they are not concerned about the fact that we are importing a culture that has disregard for the rights of women as a central tenet (and I say "culture," as we can have a discussion about whether that is based on Islam or tribal law -- but the fact remains). When I see women wearing headscarves and walking behind their husbands, it makes me sad. Many of these people have no intention of assimilating and adopting the western values of equality and freedom of speech and religion that we hold dear. I would have no problem with Muslims wearing scarves if men wore them, too. The whole practice is based upon the premise that a woman's sexuality must be hidden, and men can't be expected to control themselves. Do we really want to send the message to our daughters that repressing is ok if it's your "culture."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Liberals base much of their political identity on protecting and promoting the rights of women. It is a complete mystery to me why they are not concerned about the fact that we are importing a culture that has disregard for the rights of women as a central tenet (and I say "culture," as we can have a discussion about whether that is based on Islam or tribal law -- but the fact remains). When I see women wearing headscarves and walking behind their husbands, it makes me sad. Many of these people have no intention of assimilating and adopting the western values of equality and freedom of speech and religion that we hold dear. I would have no problem with Muslims wearing scarves if men wore them, too. The whole practice is based upon the premise that a woman's sexuality must be hidden, and men can't be expected to control themselves. Do we really want to send the message to our daughters that repressing is ok if it's your "culture."

[phone]

Just because something is a "culture" doesn't make it ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Liberals base much of their political identity on protecting and promoting the rights of women. It is a complete mystery to me why they are not concerned about the fact that we are importing a culture that has disregard for the rights of women as a central tenet (and I say "culture," as we can have a discussion about whether that is based on Islam or tribal law -- but the fact remains). When I see women wearing headscarves and walking behind their husbands, it makes me sad. Many of these people have no intention of assimilating and adopting the western values of equality and freedom of speech and religion that we hold dear. I would have no problem with Muslims wearing scarves if men wore them, too. The whole practice is based upon the premise that a woman's sexuality must be hidden, and men can't be expected to control themselves. Do we really want to send the message to our daughters that repressing is ok if it's your "culture."

How exactly are we importing that?

And how exactly do you dictate to people what to wear and how to walk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Liberals base much of their political identity on protecting and promoting the rights of women. It is a complete mystery to me why they are not concerned about the fact that we are importing a culture that has disregard for the rights of women as a central tenet (and I say "culture," as we can have a discussion about whether that is based on Islam or tribal law -- but the fact remains). When I see women wearing headscarves and walking behind their husbands, it makes me sad. Many of these people have no intention of assimilating and adopting the western values of equality and freedom of speech and religion that we hold dear. I would have no problem with Muslims wearing scarves if men wore them, too. The whole practice is based upon the premise that a woman's sexuality must be hidden, and men can't be expected to control themselves. Do we really want to send the message to our daughters that repressing is ok if it's your "culture."

How exactly are we importing that?

And how exactly do you dictate to people what to wear and how to walk?

Saudi Arabia already does that quite well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Liberals base much of their political identity on protecting and promoting the rights of women. It is a complete mystery to me why they are not concerned about the fact that we are importing a culture that has disregard for the rights of women as a central tenet (and I say "culture," as we can have a discussion about whether that is based on Islam or tribal law -- but the fact remains). When I see women wearing headscarves and walking behind their husbands, it makes me sad. Many of these people have no intention of assimilating and adopting the western values of equality and freedom of speech and religion that we hold dear. I would have no problem with Muslims wearing scarves if men wore them, too. The whole practice is based upon the premise that a woman's sexuality must be hidden, and men can't be expected to control themselves. Do we really want to send the message to our daughters that repressing is ok if it's your "culture."

How exactly are we importing that?

And how exactly do you dictate to people what to wear and how to walk?

Saudi Arabia already does that quite well.

So is that what we aspire to be now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Liberals base much of their political identity on protecting and promoting the rights of women. It is a complete mystery to me why they are not concerned about the fact that we are importing a culture that has disregard for the rights of women as a central tenet (and I say "culture," as we can have a discussion about whether that is based on Islam or tribal law -- but the fact remains). When I see women wearing headscarves and walking behind their husbands, it makes me sad. Many of these people have no intention of assimilating and adopting the western values of equality and freedom of speech and religion that we hold dear. I would have no problem with Muslims wearing scarves if men wore them, too. The whole practice is based upon the premise that a woman's sexuality must be hidden, and men can't be expected to control themselves. Do we really want to send the message to our daughters that repressing is ok if it's your "culture."

How exactly are we importing that?

And how exactly do you dictate to people what to wear and how to walk?

Saudi Arabia already does that quite well.

So is that what we aspire to be now?

Unless we actually handpick the ones in the below article to invite into our country. Maybe the ones in the photo with the designer handbags?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam-wahhabism-religious-police.html?_r=0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

"Violence begets violence" is not just a quaint aphorism. Or, as Gandhi is quoted as saying, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

If we don't break the cycle, we are destined to be stuck in it for a long time.

Okay let's welcome them into our county and give them free education and free healthcare to befriend them. Oh that's right France already did that and their children - second generation terrorists- continue to kill the French. They had it way better in France than back home regardless of how they view France. They didn't have free food, education, healthcare in their former countries. Germany reached out and welcomed a million refugees and still no good will is coming our way. They still want to kill us.

Sounds like you know nothing about France's history with immigrants, particularly Muslim ones

Today is not the day to be blaming France for this. 80+ people who did absolutely nothing wrong but wanted to celebrate their national holiday are dead. A beautiful amazing place with amazing people is under lockdown and cleaning up a massacre. Enjoy being self righteous, but the fact that there are racists in France or France has a colonial history (like every other major European power) does not justify mass murder of innocent civilians. I am fed up with people like you constantly making excuses. There is no excuse.

Who is blaming France or making excuses? People are asking how to stop this. You cannot stop this unless you look at the circumstances.

There are no "circumstances" that warrant this crazy killing ideology. I am sorry but I don't want to understand killers and people that think it is okay to kill babies (10 babies/children died in Nice) because they weren't "welcomed" properly by France. Enough excuses. Any interest I had I trying to understand was lost. If they hate France so badly then just leave and go back to the Middle East which is a lot worse these days. Instead of just leaving France they decide to stay and kill people. No excuses and I seriously question anyone on here defending them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Not sure what you mean by his heritage and relationship to Western civilization. Are you talking about Tunisia as part of the Roman Empire, homeland of Augustine, its status as a French colony, or his French citizenship?

The Enlightenment was possible only because of what Islam passed on to the West--Aristotle. What are we giving to Islam to spur its Enlightenment? The Kardashians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Algeria was better off as a French colony than an independent nation, any Algerian will tell you that. It's why they begged to get their colonial status back.

Look what that got.

Now this Tunisian decides to kill the best thing about his heritage - his relationship to Western Civilization.

It's getting difficult to trust anyone who can't agree on the profound and fundamental importance of a civilization which has been through the Enlightenment, and one which has not. The philosophical underpinnings to even belonging in the 21st century apparently are missing.

Not sure what you mean by his heritage and relationship to Western civilization. Are you talking about Tunisia as part of the Roman Empire, homeland of Augustine, its status as a French colony, or his French citizenship?

The Enlightenment was possible only because of what Islam passed on to the West--Aristotle. What are we giving to Islam to spur its Enlightenment? The Kardashians?

Christianity was born in the Middle East, not that far from where Islam was born about 600 years later. But for whatever reason Mohammed looked a lot better than Jesus, even though JC was all about loving thy neighbor. The most he did in terms of violence was get angry in a temple and toss out the money changers.

[Anonymous]

He was born in Tunisia and was a resident in France and had served prison time. He shouldn't have been in France with a prison term. He should have been sent back.