what is wrong with modern kids and no motivation to shovel?

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Anonymous wrote:College age kids went out with a group of friends (6 in total) and shoveled Sunday/Monday. They each made over $250/day.

There weren't many other offering so they had to decline several jobs due to time/cold/difficulty.

If your kid wanted to, the money was sitting there.

BS - the money is on the easy snow removal. This is hard work and maybe they were actually paid an appropriate wage by some homeowners, but the people complaining want to pay well below the market rate for some random "local kids". I know because I shoveled my long driveway myself over the course of 2 days.

Lol. Ok, you can call BS all you want. It WAS hard work (DH and I did our house while they were making money.) They came home exhausted both nights. But $500 is a lot to college kids. They got rave reviews on our neighborhood listserve and their phone was blowing up with people wanting to hire them since they could walk to homes. Our neighborhood is big on hiring 'local kids' and supporting kids who have grown up in the neighborhood.

Your teen is capable of more than prom, homecoming and beach week. Let them surprise you.

You live in a rich community that is actually paying a fair wage. Most of the people complaining want the neighbor next door to do it for $20

This x1000. If they are boomers, they will pay even less if the kid is younger. My aunt was complaining that the boy Nextdoor she hired to water her outdoor plants, sweep their porch, bring in mail, take trash cans to the curb etc was not reliable and she was paying him a full dollar! A dollar, a cold buck!

My poor kid had an elderly neighbor who asked him last year to shovel, and for an hour's work for a fairly large house/driveway, he was paid 10$. I told my kid not to complain and paid him an extra 20$. But he didn't shovel for that neighbor this year again.

A decent teen would do an elderly neighbor for free. Mine did. One day you will need the help.

Actually, a decent family would shovel an elderly neighbors walk together. A decent family is not sending their teen out by themselves to do charity work to feel good about themselves. They take a few hours off of work and they do it with them.

+1 Why would you send a teen alone on these icy days to work for free to do work you have deemed charity? If you are so rich that it’s beneath your dignity for your child to accept pay, you’re probably in a wealthy neighborhood. I wouldn’t send my kid out to work for free for a neighbor who probably has a million dollars of equity in their home.

Our homes are about 1000 square feet and not wealthy. Our homes are not worth millions. Of course one of us was out there too. We just teach our kids to do the right thing. Are you so poor you have to have your kids work? Probably not, just lazy and selfish. It’s about helping out others, not a money grab. One day we may need the help. What goes around comes around.

If its an elderly neighbor, sure, do it as a kindness. But not wanting to do charity work for everyone else you don't know is okay too.

I offered to do it for my neighbor if no one showed up on Monday but they declined - I am not that healthy either and it was tiring shoveling out our own driveway multiple times on Sunday.

Neighbors help each other out. We don’t ask, we just do it.

You really need to get off your high horse.

+1. With the amount of judgmental smug emanating from the PP, you could melt all the ice in the DC area.

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all they Want to do is a tiktk dance

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We actually had a couple of teen boys with shovels ringing bells on uncleared houses on the street. Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:College age kids went out with a group of friends (6 in total) and shoveled Sunday/Monday. They each made over $250/day.

There weren't many other offering so they had to decline several jobs due to time/cold/difficulty.

If your kid wanted to, the money was sitting there.

BS - the money is on the easy snow removal. This is hard work and maybe they were actually paid an appropriate wage by some homeowners, but the people complaining want to pay well below the market rate for some random "local kids". I know because I shoveled my long driveway myself over the course of 2 days.

Lol. Ok, you can call BS all you want. It WAS hard work (DH and I did our house while they were making money.) They came home exhausted both nights. But $500 is a lot to college kids. They got rave reviews on our neighborhood listserve and their phone was blowing up with people wanting to hire them since they could walk to homes. Our neighborhood is big on hiring 'local kids' and supporting kids who have grown up in the neighborhood.

Your teen is capable of more than prom, homecoming and beach week. Let them surprise you.

You live in a rich community that is actually paying a fair wage. Most of the people complaining want the neighbor next door to do it for $20

This x1000. If they are boomers, they will pay even less if the kid is younger. My aunt was complaining that the boy Nextdoor she hired to water her outdoor plants, sweep their porch, bring in mail, take trash cans to the curb etc was not reliable and she was paying him a full dollar! A dollar, a cold buck!

My poor kid had an elderly neighbor who asked him last year to shovel, and for an hour's work for a fairly large house/driveway, he was paid 10$. I told my kid not to complain and paid him an extra 20$. But he didn't shovel for that neighbor this year again.

A decent teen would do an elderly neighbor for free. Mine did. One day you will need the help.

Actually, a decent family would shovel an elderly neighbors walk together. A decent family is not sending their teen out by themselves to do charity work to feel good about themselves. They take a few hours off of work and they do it with them.

+1 Why would you send a teen alone on these icy days to work for free to do work you have deemed charity? If you are so rich that it’s beneath your dignity for your child to accept pay, you’re probably in a wealthy neighborhood. I wouldn’t send my kid out to work for free for a neighbor who probably has a million dollars of equity in their home.

Our homes are about 1000 square feet and not wealthy. Our homes are not worth millions. Of course one of us was out there too. We just teach our kids to do the right thing. Are you so poor you have to have your kids work? Probably not, just lazy and selfish. It’s about helping out others, not a money grab. One day we may need the help. What goes around comes around.

If its an elderly neighbor, sure, do it as a kindness. But not wanting to do charity work for everyone else you don't know is okay too.

I offered to do it for my neighbor if no one showed up on Monday but they declined - I am not that healthy either and it was tiring shoveling out our own driveway multiple times on Sunday.

Neighbors help each other out. We don’t ask, we just do it.

You really need to get off your high horse.

+1. With the amount of judgmental smug emanating from the PP, you could melt all the ice in the DC area.

In my area, the teens are getting worn out as it’s so hard to shovel the sheets of ice and people are using the professional adult shovelers who are charging 100$/hr and there are older people happy to pay it. Having cracked one shovel and broken another shovel handle on this ice myself, I would not be judging any teen who felt they wanted to charge a fair wage for backbreaking work. (10$/hr is insane in this weather.)

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you could do the tit for tat

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I think this is a question of whether OP has built relationships with their neighbors.

The teens in my neighborhood are cleaning sidewalks and driveways for free - of people they know need the help.

These teens know people need help because their parents tell them, and the parents know because people have bothered to create community in the months/years/decades *before* the giant ice storm.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is a question of whether OP has built relationships with their neighbors.

The teens in my neighborhood are cleaning sidewalks and driveways for free - of people they know need the help.

These teens know people need help because their parents tell them, and the parents know because people have bothered to create community in the months/years/decades *before* the giant ice storm.

This is what we do. If they are offered money, they know to decline. They understand one day we may need the help and its about community.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of these kids are studying because that is their full time job and they carry heavy academic loads that include tons of honors and AP classes. So let them study OP, they want to work smart and not hard when they grow up. Besides many neighborhoods have crews to come in and do that hard work.

Kids can do multiple things.
And they are not learning to work smarter. They are learning to be lazy and entitled. The results are in a gen x sucks as parents

Yes they can PP. They can do physics, linear algebra, comp sci, chemistry. Instead of going into cardiac arrest on the side of the road shoveling your lowball snow job. They are preparing themselves to be engineers and scientists to build and maintain the quantum computing systems and robots that will handle this back-breaking work in the future. That sounds like working smart and not hard…and is far from lazy or entitled in my book. Stop clocking these kids so hard and let them be.

Mine helps our immediate neighbors in need. OP probably can but will not shovel. We have teachers still sending out homework/classwork assignments and they need to study for examps.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of these kids are studying because that is their full time job and they carry heavy academic loads that include tons of honors and AP classes. So let them study OP, they want to work smart and not hard when they grow up. Besides many neighborhoods have crews to come in and do that hard work.

Kids can do multiple things.
And they are not learning to work smarter. They are learning to be lazy and entitled. The results are in a gen x sucks as parents

Yes they can PP. They can do physics, linear algebra, comp sci, chemistry. Instead of going into cardiac arrest on the side of the road shoveling your lowball snow job. They are preparing themselves to be engineers and scientists to build and maintain the quantum computing systems and robots that will handle this back-breaking work in the future. That sounds like working smart and not hard…and is far from lazy or entitled in my book. Stop clocking these kids so hard and let them be.

only the indians and chinese can do that

Why, your kids can do it too...mine are, except they are in MVC right now.

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Maybe they are afraid of being shot to death by ICE

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is a question of whether OP has built relationships with their neighbors.

The teens in my neighborhood are cleaning sidewalks and driveways for free - of people they know need the help.

These teens know people need help because their parents tell them, and the parents know because people have bothered to create community in the months/years/decades *before* the giant ice storm.

This is what we do. If they are offered money, they know to decline. They understand one day we may need the help and its about community.

I don't think that makes sense. I don't agree with the viewpoint that taking money from neighbors is somehow tacky or immoral. We don't have the financial statements of our neighbors--ours aren't asking for charity or stating they can not pay.

Teens are doing a big help by providing emergency labor that many people are unwilling or incapable of doing. There are dozens of people writing our neighborhood listserv begging for someone to shovel their driveway/sidewalks, including some noting that a crew of adult professionals looked at their driveway and the ice and said they were not interested in the job because of how long it would take now that the snow has completely frozen.

If you want to have your kid do this as volunteer work, fine. I wouldn't ask my kid to do that. And the community I live in wouldn't ask him to do that. If you have the money to own a house (which many Americans don't), you can pay for shoveling.

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Our elderly neighbors live in 7 figure price tag houses and want to pay my kids $20 to shovel their 1/2 mile driveway. No thanks.then they are the first to complain about the cost of hiring a plow. I don’t care for the whining

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Anonymous wrote:Our elderly neighbors live in 7 figure price tag houses and want to pay my kids $20 to shovel their 1/2 mile driveway. No thanks.then they are the first to complain about the cost of hiring a plow. I don’t care for the whining

Exactly! Just because someone is elderly, it doesn't mean that they are poor or destitute. I'm sick of people faulting kids for not wanting to do something they aren't willing to do themselves. OP is the prime example.

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Anonymous wrote:Our elderly neighbors live in 7 figure price tag houses and want to pay my kids $20 to shovel their 1/2 mile driveway. No thanks.then they are the first to complain about the cost of hiring a plow. I don’t care for the whining

Exactly! Just because someone is elderly, it doesn't mean that they are poor or destitute. I'm sick of people faulting kids for not wanting to do something they aren't willing to do themselves. OP is the prime example.

Everyone commenting on this thread will one day be elderly...will we all automatically become destitute as well and unable to function in society?

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Anonymous wrote:Our elderly neighbors live in 7 figure price tag houses and want to pay my kids $20 to shovel their 1/2 mile driveway. No thanks.then they are the first to complain about the cost of hiring a plow. I don’t care for the whining

Exactly! Just because someone is elderly, it doesn't mean that they are poor or destitute. I'm sick of people faulting kids for not wanting to do something they aren't willing to do themselves. OP is the prime example.

Everyone commenting on this thread will one day be elderly...will we all automatically become destitute as well and unable to function in society?

No.....which is exactly what I said.