Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that? |
I didn't say locked up, but I do think the laws should be changed to force hospitalization, meds, group homes, etc for extremely odd and more extreme behaviors. We have three classes in one of the schools where I work with kids who demonstrate extreme emotional/behavioral difficulties. It is very naive to say or pretend that these kids don't ever show violent behavior. I'm not buying that Brian never exhibited concerning behavior that needed to be monitored. Like Nick Reiner, Adam Lanza, Cho and others, there's a history that should have been taken more seriously. |
I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows? So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future? It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds. |
I'm the PP whose son spent a month at a psych hospital. When you are forcing hospitalization and meds, it is completely "locked up". It's okay to say it, because that's exactly what it is. He was definitely "locked up". Armed guards, double doors, monitored locations, small locked areas, forced medication. Cause if there were no locks, he would have walked right out of there and said no thanks to the treatment. |
Well, there were certainly signs at work: “She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents. One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.” … “Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents. https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk |
PP here. Actually, I agree with all you've shared in this post and previously and have some understanding on a personal level due to three extended family members with autism (severe manifestation) and schizophrenia. I meant (but poorly worded) that I didn't mean jail or prison. |
PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step. But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"? I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent. |
For the university (or any employer) a big part of the problem is that if you get it wrong, you open the institution up to liability. I know that sounds nuts but it's not farfetched. If the employee has not actually *done* anything, and they could claim any kind of protected status (including disability due to a mental health disorder), you can't take punitive action. And the thing is, I can see a situation in which the ability to just fire someone for making people uncomfortable could be used to discriminate against a person, or a situation where an employee has a totally not harmful (to other people) mental health issue like depression or anxiety and it's used to terminate them unfairly. That obviously wasn't what was going on with Brian, but you can easily imagine scenarios where it could happen. What about when the person like Brian is in a position of authority -- you don't want to give them power to get an employee terminated or put on a psych hold just by saying "oh she made me uncomfortable." It sucks. No one wants to wait until someone does someone violent, and this case is the perfect example of why -- the first genuinely violent and illegal action Brian appears to have taken was the violent murder of four completely innocent people. But there is nothing you can point to and say "yes, there, that's the thing that should have gotten him locked up." Yes some of his behavior is concerning but none of it was illegal. I truly don't know what we do about that. Lots of weird people really are harmless. |
We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal. |
I completely agree this all sounds like escalating dangerous behavior and its so frustrating to hear about it now given what happened next. However, his family was not aware of this behavior. And we don't have reports that he behaved this way when he was living with his family. In fact, as another PP pointed out, he had two female professors at DeSales who thought he was wonderful and recommended him for the PhD program, and no indication that he'd had these issues in undergrad. Maybe being far from his family led to some disinhibition that brought this behavior out. Maybe he was using drugs again. Maybe he is schizophrenic and this was when his symptoms really emerged, that would track with the timeline of many people with schizophrenia, as late 20s is often when these issues emerge and prior to that the person may appear to offbeat but otherwise totally functional. I mean it could be so many things. The worst part is just not knowing. |
+1 for sure |
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc. But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder. I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how? |
I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest. |
I'm one of the posters who has been somewhat critical of the family, but I certainly wouldn't jump to the "dishonest" term. Oblivious is not the same as dishonest, and would explain a lot. Now, I do think she's not being entirely forthcoming, but it is certainly possible, if not likely, that anything else she knows isn't particularly relevant. |
You all just can't deal with the fact that things happen that we can't predict. You can't control everything. You can't prevent all bad things from happening. You can't lock up a person who hasn't committed a crime or made a threat to commit a crime. This isn't Minority Report and if you go that route, you'll open a whole other Pandora's box. Sometimes in life people do things that defy explanation. So many of you are casting blame and making shit up to make yourselves feel more in control. The only person to blame in this case is the murderer. He's locked away forever, thank God. The loss of those kids is heinous, but your made up stories changes nothing and could hurt other people who had no part in this crime. Just stop. |