Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one is doing this. People are just applying to big southern or big state schools because they are easier to get into than Harvard or Princeton.

They are applying to them because they are easier to get into than like Ohio State, PSU, Rutgers, UMD, VTech, and Stoney Brook. All solid public schools getting harder to get into. No magic here, less capable Northerners have migrated South for years.

LOL UF and UGA are superior to every podunk college you listed

Not really. They are very good schools but not measurably better than any of the above schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

Don’t feed this troll. At least have Jeff check the IP to see if this “professor” is outside the beltway.

Karen, do you have any idea how DCUM actually works?

Must have stuck a nerve now that you’re resorting to name calling. Sounds like I’m onto something.

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one is doing this. People are just applying to big southern or big state schools because they are easier to get into than Harvard or Princeton.

They are applying to them because they are easier to get into than like Ohio State, PSU, Rutgers, UMD, VTech, and Stoney Brook. All solid public schools getting harder to get into. No magic here, less capable Northerners have migrated South for years.

LOL UF and UGA are superior to every podunk college you listed

Not really. They are very good schools but not measurably better than any of the above schools.

Do you still have a corded phone, dial up internet and stock up on Y2K supplies? You’re living in 1999.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

The greatest levels of Obesity are in the South.....try again.

Go on TikTok and see the fit SEC students that are in better shape than you could ever dream of.

Oh right because a few TikTok videos is the true measure of reality. What a moron.

Fine, go visit and see for yourself. You’re either really dumb or maybe out of shape and jealous.

Another unintelligent response to no surprise given that you base your reality on a few TikTok videos. What are you, 11?

You obviously have never set foot on an SEC campus. Or you have and you’re seething with jealousy. It’s so funny, please keep posting and digging your hole, you’re hilarious!

And you keep proving the case that you're a moron; you should just give up. I've been to plenty of campuses during college visits and I have a kid in the SEC and another one at a Big 10. I mean, did you even go to college? Doubt it.

If you had a kid in the SEC you wouldn’t be on here bashing it.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Nice phony Troll job. Try better next time.

You might want to check out the actual numbers for a school like Ole Miss before you open your piehole.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zkKqpes6AHDRsUFPDK37u39NIIgfMwdf/view

Ole Miss has low stats, you’re right. Louisville also has low stats, so I guess the entire ACC sucks. UVA, UNC, BC must be terrible colleges.

This thread was mostly about the SEC. VA isn't south anymore, NC is trying to do better and the ACC isn't a Southern Conference.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

The greatest levels of Obesity are in the South.....try again.

Go on TikTok and see the fit SEC students that are in better shape than you could ever dream of.

Oh right because a few TikTok videos is the true measure of reality. What a moron.

Fine, go visit and see for yourself. You’re either really dumb or maybe out of shape and jealous.

Another unintelligent response to no surprise given that you base your reality on a few TikTok videos. What are you, 11?

You obviously have never set foot on an SEC campus. Or you have and you’re seething with jealousy. It’s so funny, please keep posting and digging your hole, you’re hilarious!

And you keep proving the case that you're a moron; you should just give up. I've been to plenty of campuses during college visits and I have a kid in the SEC and another one at a Big 10. I mean, did you even go to college? Doubt it.

If you had a kid in the SEC you wouldn’t be on here bashing it.

Not bashing it. Just bashing the SEC parents who feel the need to bash non-SEC schools because of their inferiority complex. I also find it ridiculous and silly that there's a huge emphasis on how the SEC is better because the kids who go there are better looking. Like just look at TikTok, you know?

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

The greatest levels of Obesity are in the South.....try again.

More anti-south propaganda. The rust belt is in every way just as bad. NYC and DC are also full of obese people. Either way, what does the average prole townie have to do with rich kids in Greek life? Those kids all look like models.

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Elite schools aren’t losing anyone to the SEC. Both are great for their respective contingent. Neither is interested in the other. This whole thing is silly, no one is jealous. Thankfully there are good options for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Elite schools aren’t losing anyone to the SEC. Both are great for their respective contingent. Neither is interested in the other. This whole thing is silly, no one is jealous. Thankfully there are good options for everyone.

Just stop. How do you know how 18 year old's are deciding where to go to college and why? Keep your preconceived antiquated notions to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a cope for dumb rich kids that can’t get into a decent college.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Nice phony Troll job. Try better next time.

You might want to check out the actual numbers for a school like Ole Miss before you open your piehole.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zkKqpes6AHDRsUFPDK37u39NIIgfMwdf/view

Ole Miss has low stats, you’re right. Louisville also has low stats, so I guess the entire ACC sucks. UVA, UNC, BC must be terrible colleges.

This thread was mostly about the SEC. VA isn't south anymore, NC is trying to do better and the ACC isn't a Southern Conference.

You missed the point. You can’t judge the entire SEC based on Ole Miss just like you can’t judge the entire ACC based on Louisville. And yes, historically, the ACC is very much a “tobacco road” southern conference.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

The greatest levels of Obesity are in the South.....try again.

Go on TikTok and see the fit SEC students that are in better shape than you could ever dream of.

Oh right because a few TikTok videos is the true measure of reality. What a moron.

Fine, go visit and see for yourself. You’re either really dumb or maybe out of shape and jealous.

Another unintelligent response to no surprise given that you base your reality on a few TikTok videos. What are you, 11?

You obviously have never set foot on an SEC campus. Or you have and you’re seething with jealousy. It’s so funny, please keep posting and digging your hole, you’re hilarious!

And you keep proving the case that you're a moron; you should just give up. I've been to plenty of campuses during college visits and I have a kid in the SEC and another one at a Big 10. I mean, did you even go to college? Doubt it.

If you had a kid in the SEC you wouldn’t be on here bashing it.

Not bashing it. Just bashing the SEC parents who feel the need to bash non-SEC schools because of their inferiority complex. I also find it ridiculous and silly that there's a huge emphasis on how the SEC is better because the kids who go there are better looking. Like just look at TikTok, you know?

Do you have any friends in real life? I hope your SEC kid learns to be normal and stays far away.

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Anonymous wrote:Elite schools aren’t losing anyone to the SEC. Both are great for their respective contingent. Neither is interested in the other. This whole thing is silly, no one is jealous. Thankfully there are good options for everyone.

Just stop. How do you know how 18 year old's are deciding where to go to college and why? Keep your preconceived antiquated notions to yourself.

Stop what? I don’t really think I said anything controversial. People have their reasons for choosing what they do and that is fine? Mine had zero interest in SEC, but it’s no skin off my nose if others love it.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

PP. No, I don't teach at Vandy, UF, UT Austin, nor UGA. Hence I started my post with "I teach at an average SEC school."

No, I don't teach any sections in our Honors College either. I'm in engineering, where none of our lecture-based courses has honor sections. Each lecture-based course contains a single section with 50–150 students (for sophomores/juniors) and roughly 30 (for senior-year electives). We do have honors research where students enroll in 3 credit hours of independent study working with a faculty.

Our math department has courses (e.g., differential equations, linear algebra) which have honors sections that are much smaller. I do not know how much more material is covered there compared to regular sections, but I do know some Honors College students there because some of them are also in my classes.

I feel that these high achievers (some were NMFs, I later learned) are not taught as much material as they could handle in my classes because I cannot disregard the rest of the students who have much lower ACT/SAT scores and who don't learn as quickly. I also feel that because it's easy to get A's in classes (since their classmates are relative weak), the high achievers actually have to work to not feel complacent. And for those who are easily influenced by friends, they have work to resist the culture of partying and drinking.

Can anyone imagine a real college professor at particular school truly talking this way about his students or his or her school? I mean seriously? Keep believing this is not a troll.

Exactly. The “prof” is certainly a troll.

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I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

So you're an adjunct lecturing in some 500+ student guts level course? Of course kids don't show up. It's a waste of time when all the lectures and slides are online, assignments are submitted online, two in-person tests a semester, (and most of them are cheating). It's the same at the military academies, Ivies, and rah-rah degree mills. My daughter was in medical school over ten years ago and her classmates were always skipping class because everything they needed was posted online. Even the lectures were live streamed and record to watch later, so why show up? The tech has only gotten better in a decade.

Not an adjunct, but a tenured faculty teaching mostly sophomore/junior-level engineering classes where the class size is typically 50–150. I have students who don't show up to lectures and yet ace all exams and get A's. These are however the exceptions. Most of the long-term absentees are struggling to pass the class with C's and yet they don't care enough to make a change. This is not skipping classes at Ivies to do something they feel is more worthy of their time. This is skipping classes while being a poor student whose future in their chosen engineering major hangs on a balance. That's the prevailing campus culture and I'm not at Ole Miss.

Name the school. You won’t.