FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The slide that says 47% of preschool students are transfers is sort of misleading because there are not preschool programs in every school…so of course there are going to be big numbers of them going outside their base school.

Waaaait

Why on earth would FCPS even include preschool students in any rezoning decisions?

Their data was presdnted specifically to bury the issue that everyone is in arms about, rezoning high schools.

The preschool data needs to be dropped entirely.

The high school data )AP/IB and language transfers) needs to be isolated and analyzed separately from the rest of the data.

You’re right, of course, but the crappy, aggregated and/or useless data only gets presented to create the illusion of meaningful community engagement. It doesn’t actually help anyone understand what’s going on or help people come up with better proposals. It’s just background noise, and then they’ll just go ahead and do what they always wanted to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

This is nonsense.

And the kaa boundaries need to establiished before any thing is changed with the western pyramids.

Agree. And, I suspect they will be. However, the KAA boundaries will have no impact on Herndon High or Langley High.
I don't know why people think they would. Westfield and Chantilly can afford to lose that area because there is a lot of new construction. This could also relieve Centreville. Some adjustment might be needed at Oakton if they put Crossfield in.

Nonsense.
KAA Boundaries could affect Herndon enrollment. KAA is very close to HHS. We have no idea what the SB is planning as far
as the KAA boundaries.
Not even an inkling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

This is nonsense.

And the kaa boundaries need to establiished before any thing is changed with the western pyramids.

Agree. And, I suspect they will be. However, the KAA boundaries will have no impact on Herndon High or Langley High.
I don't know why people think they would. Westfield and Chantilly can afford to lose that area because there is a lot of new construction. This could also relieve Centreville. Some adjustment might be needed at Oakton if they put Crossfield in.

Nonsense.
KAA Boundaries could affect Herndon enrollment. KAA is very close to HHS. We have no idea what the SB is planning as far
as the KAA boundaries.
Not even an inkling.

DP. Very few expect part of Herndon to move to KAA, but in any event if you assume it's speculative that's all the more reason not to be moving kids out of Langley to Herndon.

When SB members spoke about KAA, they made reference to providing relief to Sully residents, kids at Chantilly, and kids at Oakton. Not a single one said FCPS might want to move Herndon kids to KAA.

You're just trying to provide cover for some folks in Region 5 engaging in some fairly blatant, officious meddling. It wasn't a good look when it happened, and it's not looking any better now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

This is nonsense.

And the kaa boundaries need to establiished before any thing is changed with the western pyramids.

Agree. And, I suspect they will be. However, the KAA boundaries will have no impact on Herndon High or Langley High.
I don't know why people think they would. Westfield and Chantilly can afford to lose that area because there is a lot of new construction. This could also relieve Centreville. Some adjustment might be needed at Oakton if they put Crossfield in.

Nonsense.
KAA Boundaries could affect Herndon enrollment. KAA is very close to HHS. We have no idea what the SB is planning as far
as the KAA boundaries.
Not even an inkling.

It is over 7 miles. 30 minute bus ride or more at rush hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

I agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

This is nonsense.

And the kaa boundaries need to establiished before any thing is changed with the western pyramids.

Agree. And, I suspect they will be. However, the KAA boundaries will have no impact on Herndon High or Langley High.
I don't know why people think they would. Westfield and Chantilly can afford to lose that area because there is a lot of new construction. This could also relieve Centreville. Some adjustment might be needed at Oakton if they put Crossfield in.

Nonsense.
KAA Boundaries could affect Herndon enrollment. KAA is very close to HHS. We have no idea what the SB is planning as far
as the KAA boundaries.
Not even an inkling.

Look at a map, look at which ES are closest to Carson and KAA. They’re not Herndon feeders. It’s just the small section of Coates that goes to Herndon and not Westfield. Most people are assuming that it would be Oak Hill, Floris, McNair, and Coates at KAA. Herndon is very slightly affected but not a central piece of the KAA boundaries vs. Chantilly and Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

I agree

I guess it depends on what you call "close."

Chantilly and Westfield are 10-12 miles away from Herndon High School.
Marshall is 12-15 miles from Herndon High School.
Herndon is not affected at all by KAA. All schools in Carson boundary are closer to KAA than Herndon High. And, I cannot think of any school that is in Herndon boundary that is closer to KAA than Herndon.

So, please tell me what you consider "close."

Why would they take kids out of Herndon and send them to KAA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

What does this mean? Please tell me which members are close to Herndon.

Anyone who has been reading these threads realizes how this happened. It happened when the committee was formed.

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Region 5 includes a few schools close to Herndon but they are going to be affected far more by KAA than anything having to do with Forestville.

Odds are this “priority” recommendation was pushed through by one Woodson parent who is a notorious School Board shill. Whether SB members like Frisch and Lady put her up to it, or she did this on her own, the odds are high that this was her handiwork.

The BRAC process has been corrupt from the beginning, when they stacked the committee with some hand-picked members to supplement the pyramid representatives, and also gave Woodson three reps when every other pyramid besides Fairfax only had two.

Shame on Reid and shame on this School Board for orchestrating such a farce. The entire boundary study should be canceled.

Agree that BRAC makeup is skewed. There are multiple Great Falls members from Fairfacts Matters even though Great Falls is a tiny percentage of county population/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The slide that says 47% of preschool students are transfers is sort of misleading because there are not preschool programs in every school…so of course there are going to be big numbers of them going outside their base school.

Waaaait

Why on earth would FCPS even include preschool students in any rezoning decisions?

Their data was presdnted specifically to bury the issue that everyone is in arms about, rezoning high schools.

The preschool data needs to be dropped entirely.

The high school data )AP/IB and language transfers) needs to be isolated and analyzed separately from the rest of the data.

I agree that most of us are not concerned about that, but it does affect space. And, elementary schools are included in this study.

[Anonymous]

I would have thought Mantua people in region five would not want any of Langley moved out, since that would open up more space for Marshall and McLean to move to Langley and not Falls Church. And if Falls Church has more room, then they have more space for Mantua.

[Anonymous]

Curious. Why is this the only result we have heard from the BRAC meeting? Is this the only concern of FairFacts Matters?

We have heard nothing about the other Regions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious. Why is this the only result we have heard from the BRAC meeting? Is this the only concern of FairFacts Matters?

We have heard nothing about the other Regions.

Well, FairFacts does have a lot of membership and people who are concerned about that area. But the fact that the region 5 folks said that one of their top priorities was moving an ES that’s not even in their region, and has not been the subject of any serious discussion or changes on any of the proposed maps so far does stand out … a lot. Maybe if region 2 said their top priority was Hunt Valley to Lewis, we would hear that too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

I agree

I guess it depends on what you call "close."

Chantilly and Westfield are 10-12 miles away from Herndon High School.
Marshall is 12-15 miles from Herndon High School.
Herndon is not affected at all by KAA. All schools in Carson boundary are closer to KAA than Herndon High. And, I cannot think of any school that is in Herndon boundary that is closer to KAA than Herndon.

So, please tell me what you consider "close."

Why would they take kids out of Herndon and send them to KAA?

They might take kids out of Herndon, and Centreville in the other direction, to backfill kids getting moved from Chantilly, Westfield and any other high school that is sending kids to the new high school.

There is always a multi school domino effect when a new high school opens that extends to many more high schools than the neighboring schools.

I think South County opening affected Lake Braddock, West Springfield, Lewis, Hayfield and Mount Vernon. It might have also affected Edison and Robinson to a much lesser degree.

FCPS,needs to determine what is happening with the new high school and who will fill it, before rezoning any high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious. Why is this the only result we have heard from the BRAC meeting? Is this the only concern of FairFacts Matters?

We have heard nothing about the other Regions.

The fairfacts people have posted that each region needs to reach out to their own reps, so they get accurate info.

The person who posted was only sharing specifics for their region.

Each region developed 10 priorities, but only shared 3 with BRAC.

The 3 were shared verbally, not written down, so the guy who posted doesn't want yo go by memory and inaccurately repeat what he thinks he heard the other regions priorities, because he might be wrong.

You have to reach out to your representatives to get an accurate priority list for your region.

[Anonymous]

Why would they take kids out of Herndon and send them to KAA?

They might take kids out of Herndon, and Centreville in the other direction, to backfill kids getting moved from Chantilly, Westfield and any other high school that is sending kids to the new high school.

There is always a multi school domino effect when a new high school opens that extends to many more high schools than the neighboring schools.

I think you are not fat all familiar with this area. Herndon in no way would "backfill" any of those schools.
Centreville kids who are adjacent to Westfield boundary certainly might do a "backfill." However, it should not require major changes there as there is lots of new construction i the Westfield area and Westfield is pretty full presently.
There are neighborhoods right by Centreville who are currently attending Fairfax. That might be a consideration but is likely not necessary.
Chantilly is considered to be very overcrowded. It is likely only one elementary school will be pulled out of Chantilly and, while there might be some adjustments, there should not be a need to backfill Chantilly.

Oakton may also need some adjustment. However, it appears that there is going to be major new construction in that area.

This has no impact on Herndon High.