Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

Wow. It sure sounds like no one has asked him yet!

“The question is preposterous,” Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday, where he was welcomed by Trump and spoke with the president and members of his cabinet. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I’m not going to do it.”

He added: “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States”

Supreme Court, Trump is spitting on the Constitution and you. How are you letting this happen???

The Supreme Court doesn't have any army, except you and me.

How are we letting this happen?

Why are we letting Republicans destroy our nation?

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

Wow. It sure sounds like no one has asked him yet!

“The question is preposterous,” Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday, where he was welcomed by Trump and spoke with the president and members of his cabinet. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I’m not going to do it.”

He added: “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States”

Supreme Court, Trump is spitting on the Constitution and you. How are you letting this happen???

+1000

They can't even keep their lies straight. Each one pretending the other is in charge.

The attorney general, Pam Bondi, echoed that it is up to El Salvador “whether they want to return him”, not the US. Bondi also claimed the supreme court ruling meant that “if El Salvador wants to return him, we would ‘facilitate’ it, meaning provide a plane”.

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

Wow. It sure sounds like no one has asked him yet!

“The question is preposterous,” Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday, where he was welcomed by Trump and spoke with the president and members of his cabinet. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I’m not going to do it.”

He added: “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States”

Supreme Court, Trump is spitting on the Constitution and you. How are you letting this happen???

The Supreme Court doesn't have any army, except you and me.

How are we letting this happen?

Why are we letting Republicans destroy our nation?

The Supreme Court told them that they could keep deporting people under the totally bogus use of the Alien Enemies Act

The Supreme Court qualified "effectuate"

Let's see if they start caring about the Consitution and rule of law now.

[Anonymous]

I propose that the next time Democrats get power, we go balls-to-the-wall and make our own random deportations.

Let's actually clean the swamps as they like to say. MAGA = gone. Poof. I'll happily pay more taxes so the US can pay El Salvador $6+ million dollars to take them. Due process? I don't know her.

I mean, they're fine with it happening now so they'll be fine with it happening later to them.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

NP. Do you genuinely think that if Trump asked for him back the president of El Salvador would say no? Clearly Trump has asked him to say no. We could get him back the same way we get hostages back. We negotiate. We screwed up by sending him there so now we need to offer something to get him back. This isn’t complicated to understand, which makes me think you’re intentionally not understanding.

It show that Trump is either very weak or very craven (or both)

The takeaway from this appears to be that a tinpot dictator is more powerful that the US President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I propose that the next time Democrats get power, we go balls-to-the-wall and make our own random deportations.

Let's actually clean the swamps as they like to say. MAGA = gone. Poof. I'll happily pay more taxes so the US can pay El Salvador $6+ million dollars to take them. Due process? I don't know her.

I mean, they're fine with it happening now so they'll be fine with it happening later to them.

Also, Trump opened the door on revenge politics, so let's keep that going forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

Wow. It sure sounds like no one has asked him yet!

“The question is preposterous,” Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday, where he was welcomed by Trump and spoke with the president and members of his cabinet. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I’m not going to do it.”

He added: “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States”

Supreme Court, Trump is spitting on the Constitution and you. How are you letting this happen???

it's not smuggling if the US government puts him on a plane to return to the US
What's preposterous is El Salvador agreeing to accept putative gang members, of different nationalities, into their country, on the sayso of a third country

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.

9-0

If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?

Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.

It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

NP. Do you genuinely think that if Trump asked for him back the president of El Salvador would say no? Clearly Trump has asked him to say no. We could get him back the same way we get hostages back. We negotiate. We screwed up by sending him there so now we need to offer something to get him back. This isn’t complicated to understand, which makes me think you’re intentionally not understanding.

It show that Trump is either very weak or very craven (or both)

The takeaway from this appears to be that a tinpot dictator is more powerful that the US President.

The takeaway should be the President of El Salvador has the say over the citizens of.... El Salvador.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.

9-0

If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?

Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.

It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.

You're totally mixed up. The US Supreme Court is not telling El Salvador to send the man here. The US Supreme Court is telling the US government to fix their mistake and get the man back here, however they deem best (or mid or worst, whichever). The US government made a mistake, now they can fix it. Just like they fix it all the other times they mistakenly remove people. The main reason this time is different is because Stephen Miller doesn't want to. That's it, that's the only difference.

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The Supreme Court was quite nice in leaving Trump an easy way out. And instead of embracing that he has decided to challenge them. I doubt highly that even Thomas relishes completely abandoning the power of the federal courts and the confrontation that is coming will be epic. It could well decide the future of the institution we call US as we know it.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.

9-0

If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?

Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.

It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.

No. The US Govt is paying the El Salvadoran government to (wrongfully) jail him on our behalf. All the US needs to do is say that no more prison payments are coming until they put him back on a plane. It’s not like an extradition where the local government is trying to protect someone. We can’t compel another country to extradite someone if we don’t have an agreement with them. This is different.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.

9-0

If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?

Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.

It's the same exact thing. The Supreme Court of the US ruled 9-0 to send a El Salvador Citizen to the US. The only thing switched was the countries. They have 0 say.

With all due respect, you are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how pissed the SCOTUS are today?

Ooo lookie here, your big, lifetime jobs don't mean sh!t when no one respects your authority.

F k Thomas and Roberts the hardest.

[Anonymous]

Why is the Trump administration dying on this hill? Is the deported man already dead?