Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:The House and senate could have already passed the bill Trump tanked last year on immigration. Why haven't they?

It was a bad bill. It would grant amnesty to lots of illegals, allows thousands to cross the border daily, etc. It was just a cynical campaign trick by Dems, not an actual tough on the border bill.

That is untrue. It DID NOT grant amnesty and did not "allow" thousands to cross the border, what it did was give CBP authority to unilaterally shut down the border if they were seeing thousands attempting to cross, the number was based on their detention capabilities. Your lies about the Bipartisan Border Bill were a cynical trick by Republicans, who grossly lied and misrepresented it.

The Lankford Bipartisan Border bill has several strengths:

Enhanced Border Security: The bill provides funding to build more border barriers, increase technology at the border, and add more detention beds, agents, and deportation flights. It also increased resources for detecting fentanyl and other drugs at points of entry, whereas the House bill did not even have a single mention of fentanyl.

Improved Asylum Process: It aims to end the abuse of parole on the southwest border and dramatically changes asylum laws by conducting fast screenings with a higher standard of evidence, limited appeals, and fast deportation.

Emergency Authorities: The bill includes new emergency authorities to shut down the border when it is overrun, new hiring authorities to quickly increase officers, and new hearing authorities to quickly apply consequences for illegal crossings.

Detain and Deport Policy: It shifts the border policy from "catch and release" to "detain and deport," aiming to reduce the number of illegal crossings.

Whoever told you it would grant mass amnesty and so on is not a credible or reliable source of information and I would recommend no longer using it.

Trump managed to fix things without this bill, which tells me Biden chose to have an open border.
Passing this bill would have just codified what Biden was doing, essentially a mass amnesty.
CPB could shut down the border, but would not because Biden wanted the illegal immigration.

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Meanwhile even FOX is getting anxious about the impending recession. If MAGA is trying to deflect to the Biden and the border, we know for sure Trump is losing.

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Anonymous wrote:Never.

These are the things my MAGA relatives are saying on social media.

1. We knew prices wouldn't come down day 1. We knew it would take time. If you didn't know that then you're an idiot.

2. Through HIM all things are possible. Trust the process and keep the faith. It is always darkest before the dawn. We got this! (Not sure if the HIM is Trump or Jesus, but probably both, let's be honest)

(Typed out exactly as written by my uncle)
3. Yep prices are high as sh*t right now and yeah we prolly are going to go thru a recession but guess what? Not his fault at all and I and millions more get that. He cam in to the worst most f----- up economy since Regan It is going to take a lot to fix this sh*t. He is saving us millions uncovering the fraud and don't forget he donates his entire slary back to the US unlike sleepy FJB who stole stole stole from US and robbed the US blind!

Any MAGA that are deep in the cult will never admit that they were wrong. Those who have admitted to regretting their votes seem to be those who voted partyline because they always vote for a R or young people who voted for Trump because of Palestine.

Why would Republicans admit their vote was wrong? They won! So obviously their vote accomplished what they wanted it to. We're the ones who won't admit to being wrong. Which of our policies have we changed in response to the voters rejection of our platform? None.

We keep telling ourselves that the stock market or federal layoffs or Ukraine funding are the ultimate outcomes of politics, but those are all second derivatives. What matters first is winning and losing elections and being in or out of power. We just got booted out of power. Obviously we are the ones who should admit we were wrong. Something about our policies, personalities, and performance caused us to be rejected by the voters. We should figure out what it was and correct it.

I'm a local professor. I've talked to hundreds of young voters to try to find out what happened, and these are the 2 things I heard from them:
1. Palestine. They wanted a hard stance against Israel and pro-Palestine. They were very put off by Harris' statement “Israel has a right to go after the terrorists that are Hamas,” and believe that Israel did not do that. They think Israel went in like a bull in a china shop and caused as much destruction as possible and it wasn't a fair fight because Israel is so much more powerful than Palestine. They believe Israel used the attack as an excuse to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible not just Hamas.

2. The Harris campaign had a lack of direction. They don't think she had a firm stance on any policies. They do recognize that this was due to the restricted time she had to campaign, but they also believe that she was too meek to take any stances that were anti anything Biden believed or against any policies Biden had made.

People 18-44 overwhelming voted for Harris. However, people 18-25 overwhelming abstained from voting for a POTUS at all. I had 212 students during my Fall 2024 semester. Of those, 191 were registered to vote. Of those 191, only 54 voted for a Presidential candidate (52 Harris, 2 Trump).

I have 220 students for my Spring 2025 semester. 208 are registered voters; 68 voted for Harris; 4 voted for Trump; 1 voted 3rd party, and the other 135 did not cast a vote for a Presidential candidate.

Those are small sample sizes, but if that pattern continues across all campuses, as I believe it does, that is what sunk the Democrats this last go around.

Well, they are the ones who will have to live with the repercussions of electing Trump after the older people are gone. So I hope they are happy with what they did.

The failure lies with the party. Their job is to win votes. They failed to do so, and the youth vote was very clear what it would take. The party chose not to listen. The party got Trump elected. And the party will continue to lose until it decides it wants to win votes again.

No, the Dems didn’t fail. Elon bought the election and childish college students (and Michigan) took a misguided “stand on Israel.”

Now, Trump is posting videos of him and Netanyahu sunbathing on a rebuilt Gaza beach with Trump Towers in the background. I hope all those kids are happy with their protest vote. I’m sure the people of Gaza really appreciate their moral outrage.

I’m so over people not voting in their own interests that I don’t care if the Dems ever get back in. I’m going to be fine. Let these kids FAFO. I hope R’s take away all their student loans.

We live in the stupidest timeline and I feel for our children. MAGAs who are fake christians in all that they do will throw a match to this sinking ship. They care about no one except their fake god dumpy.

We would think more clearly if we stopped talking about "MAGA." We've kind of hypnotized ourselves into this false belief that democracy has been hijacked by a few bad apple racist rednecks.

What actually happened is that the entire electorate shifted right. In spite of all of Trump's faults, in spite of all the warnings from media and academia and establishment politicians, the voters decided that the Democrats were so unappealing that they'd rather have Trump.

The people who rejected us weren't MAGA--MAGA was never with us. The people who rejected us were non-MAGA Republicans, Independents, Swing Voters, and Disaffected Democrats. We keep lumping them in with "MAGA," and calling them all stupid.

We are literally deaf and blind to the message the voters sent to us. I haven't seen a single post from a Democrat wondering how an Obama voter or a Biden voter could have possibly voted for Trump this time. Guess what? Many did. If we can't explain that or even wonder about it, we're screwed going forward.

No. Thousands of independents (me) and moderate democrats simply abstained from voting for a president.

I will never vote for Trump.
Harris was a joke.

I voted in Loudoun for my local election and policies that were up for a vote and skipped the presidential pick.

I consider myself an independent because I like bits and pieces of each party. I want immigration reform. I want Medicaid and EBT reform. I am part of the LGBTQ and want gay marriage to stay legal. I am all for trans rights. I think inflation needed a correction. I do not support tariffs. Etc etc.

I don’t care what you think. You sit it out, you don’t get a say.

That's not how any of this works. If you want to win next time, you'd best start listening to the people who weren't convinced last time.

There won't be a next time because people like you decided to abstain from voting rather then ensuring someone who publicly proclaimed being a dictator on day one, wasn't elected.

+1 you don't get to sit it out and then blame others for trying. It's like Monday morning quarterbacking, or listening to someone tell people what they should do to make things better while not lifting a finger themselves. F*N annoying people.

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There was a real-life moment where PP could have done something to help our country. But she thought Trump was an acceptable outcome. And here we are.

If you can't show up when it really matters then STFU about theoretical campaign crap. You are why we have Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:The House and senate could have already passed the bill Trump tanked last year on immigration. Why haven't they?

It was a bad bill. It would grant amnesty to lots of illegals, allows thousands to cross the border daily, etc. It was just a cynical campaign trick by Dems, not an actual tough on the border bill.

That is untrue. It DID NOT grant amnesty and did not "allow" thousands to cross the border, what it did was give CBP authority to unilaterally shut down the border if they were seeing thousands attempting to cross, the number was based on their detention capabilities. Your lies about the Bipartisan Border Bill were a cynical trick by Republicans, who grossly lied and misrepresented it.

The Lankford Bipartisan Border bill has several strengths:

Enhanced Border Security: The bill provides funding to build more border barriers, increase technology at the border, and add more detention beds, agents, and deportation flights. It also increased resources for detecting fentanyl and other drugs at points of entry, whereas the House bill did not even have a single mention of fentanyl.

Improved Asylum Process: It aims to end the abuse of parole on the southwest border and dramatically changes asylum laws by conducting fast screenings with a higher standard of evidence, limited appeals, and fast deportation.

Emergency Authorities: The bill includes new emergency authorities to shut down the border when it is overrun, new hiring authorities to quickly increase officers, and new hearing authorities to quickly apply consequences for illegal crossings.

Detain and Deport Policy: It shifts the border policy from "catch and release" to "detain and deport," aiming to reduce the number of illegal crossings.

Whoever told you it would grant mass amnesty and so on is not a credible or reliable source of information and I would recommend no longer using it.

Trump managed to fix things without this bill, which tells me Biden chose to have an open border.
Passing this bill would have just codified what Biden was doing, essentially a mass amnesty.
CPB could shut down the border, but would not because Biden wanted the illegal immigration.

No one will be coming here when we enter our next Depression. Good luck with stagflation, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are high on their own supply with the border. Dems threw the border wide open with executive orders and secret flights and instant approval apps and more. And brought in millions of illegals. And then cynically proposed “the border bill” deep in year four after the damage was done. Voters weren’t fooled. There is zero upside for Dems continuing to insist that “ackshaully” THEY are the REAL close-the-border party. Even if partisan Dems really believe it, it comes actoss as lying to Republicans and Independents and Swing Voters. If Dems really want to be tough on the border and deport illegals, they should propose a bill that MAGA voters would eagerly embrace. Otherwise Dem border talk just feels like gaslighting to people.

You are literally insane.

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If I’m insane, then so is the electorate. The voters strongly believe that Republicans are tougher on the border, regardless of what Democrats say about an unpassed bill they proposed in the last year of Biden’s term.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

One of the greatest parenting failures is the failure to teach a child how to change their mind in the face of new information, how to be humble and admit when you don't have all the answers and try to learn from those who have better expertise, how to admit mistakes and correct them and keep trying, how to respond when you have been lied to or duped.

But where the adults in your life may have failed you, you are still capable as an adult of learning these very important life skills, skills that make you far more intelligent and much happier than those who never learn them. The stress and frustration of feeling compelled to double down on your own errors in a fruitless battle to 'win' at all costs leads to a very dark place. Much of the country is in that very dark place.

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It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

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Democrats don’t make mistakes. The Stupid voters do.

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Border was not open. Biden took some really creative measures in the spring. Look up why Human Rights Watch (unfairly) hated Biden’s actions in spring of 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:Border was not open. Biden took some really creative measures in the spring. Look up why Human Rights Watch (unfairly) hated Biden’s actions in spring of 2024.

I believe he kept it under the radar PR wise because he was getting.things.done.

He applied rules for temporarily turning off asylum if numbers got high. A certain number would theoretically trigger closure of asylum for a period of time. The number was managed, and he added a new harder standard (a lower threshold, a longer term of potential closure).

This helped manage the overall numbers while still allowing asylum, a legally important process. It just punished the overall immigration system en masse if it could not keep the numbers below a gradually decreasing threshold.

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Anonymous wrote:Border was not open. Biden took some really creative measures in the spring. Look up why Human Rights Watch (unfairly) hated Biden’s actions in spring of 2024.

What the Biden admin did in its last year in office, AFTER letting in millions of illegals, is not a fair representation of Biden's approach to immigration during his term. The biggest impacts were caused by 1) his flurry of executive orders at the beginning of his term rescinding all of Trump's border policies. And 2) by the ways the administration tried to get more illegals in without notice at the border, using flights, apps, etc. Whatever they did at the 11th hour to be "tough on immigration" was just political campaigning.

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Anonymous wrote:Border was not open. Biden took some really creative measures in the spring. Look up why Human Rights Watch (unfairly) hated Biden’s actions in spring of 2024.

What the Biden admin did in its last year in office, AFTER letting in millions of illegals, is not a fair representation of Biden's approach to immigration during his term. The biggest impacts were caused by 1) his flurry of executive orders at the beginning of his term rescinding all of Trump's border policies. And 2) by the ways the administration tried to get more illegals in without notice at the border, using flights, apps, etc. Whatever they did at the 11th hour to be "tough on immigration" was just political campaigning.

It was not millions of illegals. Check your facts. (Do you know how to do that?)

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Anonymous wrote:The House and senate could have already passed the bill Trump tanked last year on immigration. Why haven't they?

It was a bad bill. It would grant amnesty to lots of illegals, allows thousands to cross the border daily, etc. It was just a cynical campaign trick by Dems, not an actual tough on the border bill.

That is untrue. It DID NOT grant amnesty and did not "allow" thousands to cross the border, what it did was give CBP authority to unilaterally shut down the border if they were seeing thousands attempting to cross, the number was based on their detention capabilities. Your lies about the Bipartisan Border Bill were a cynical trick by Republicans, who grossly lied and misrepresented it.

The Lankford Bipartisan Border bill has several strengths:

Enhanced Border Security: The bill provides funding to build more border barriers, increase technology at the border, and add more detention beds, agents, and deportation flights. It also increased resources for detecting fentanyl and other drugs at points of entry, whereas the House bill did not even have a single mention of fentanyl.

Improved Asylum Process: It aims to end the abuse of parole on the southwest border and dramatically changes asylum laws by conducting fast screenings with a higher standard of evidence, limited appeals, and fast deportation.

Emergency Authorities: The bill includes new emergency authorities to shut down the border when it is overrun, new hiring authorities to quickly increase officers, and new hearing authorities to quickly apply consequences for illegal crossings.

Detain and Deport Policy: It shifts the border policy from "catch and release" to "detain and deport," aiming to reduce the number of illegal crossings.

Whoever told you it would grant mass amnesty and so on is not a credible or reliable source of information and I would recommend no longer using it.

Trump managed to fix things without this bill, which tells me Biden chose to have an open border.
Passing this bill would have just codified what Biden was doing, essentially a mass amnesty.
CPB could shut down the border, but would not because Biden wanted the illegal immigration.

No one will be coming here when we enter our next Depression. Good luck with stagflation, PP.

Yes, good luck Republicans with stagflation. The billionaires will survive it and even profit by it, especially by trimming down private sector jobs and salaries, but how will you survive it?

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Anonymous wrote:Border was not open. Biden took some really creative measures in the spring. Look up why Human Rights Watch (unfairly) hated Biden’s actions in spring of 2024.

What the Biden admin did in its last year in office, AFTER letting in millions of illegals, is not a fair representation of Biden's approach to immigration during his term. The biggest impacts were caused by 1) his flurry of executive orders at the beginning of his term rescinding all of Trump's border policies. And 2) by the ways the administration tried to get more illegals in without notice at the border, using flights, apps, etc. Whatever they did at the 11th hour to be "tough on immigration" was just political campaigning.

It was not millions of illegals. Check your facts. (Do you know how to do that?)

It was millions.