Reminder to avoid offensive Halloween costumes

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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the ethnicities mentioned here that dressing up as would be offensive.

First, it's actually really offensive for white people to deem what's offensive on behalf of another culture/race.

Second, it's always seemed like the general rule is that if you're going to dress as a certain cultural figure or similar, keep it authentic. It becomes offensive when it becomes a stereotype or charicatrue of that ethnicity or culture

You mean, like drag.

No. Drag is really it's own thing.

So we can’t dress as other races for fun, but men can dress as over the top ridiculous versions of women and we are all supposed to cheer.

No, it would be disgustingly transphobic.

Sorry, but drag= mocking women. I’m not transphobic, I’m anti-misogyny.

I'm a woman and I have never once thought that a man in drag was mocking me. Not at all.

I am genuinely curious: do you see a difference between minstrel shows and drag shows?

If so, please tell us why. I want to know why wearing woman face is ok, but black face is not.

I'm the PP. I have been to many drag brunches before. I have never felt like a man in drag was mocking me. They are dressed as exaggerated versions of women, yes, but they are not then acting like they are less than other humans. They're larger than life but they're not dressing like women and then saying things like "oh my beehive hairdo is so big I can't use my brain!"

Minstrel shows, on the other hand, are when people dress as Black people and then act like they're idiots. They don't speak correctly and the don't act like normal human beings. The point is to show that Black people are somehow sub-human.

It's almost the exact opposite. Drag queens are celebrating women. Minstrel shows are denigrating Black people. You really don't get that?

Not quite. They most certainly are mocking women in the most exaggerated and unflattering way. But you don’t get to speak for all women on this matter, your opinion is just yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

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Why are you conflating “living in their heads” (i.e. navel gazing) with “real” or “complex” emotions?

One can have real, complex emotions without dwelling on them to the extent that we do today. It seems rather obvious that the young folks today are not learning that resilience is desirable. It’s not because kids these days are more complex - it’s because they’re more self absorbed.

People died all the time in the Victorian era and they made mourning an art form. Many Shakepearean characters—male and female—had persistent sadness after loss of a loved one. The Bible, old and new testaments, is full of stories about death and mourning and how different people deal with loss. The idea that people treated death differently in the past—or were less affected by it—because it was more common and present is a myth. Individuals were more or less likely to be emotionally resilient depending on any number of factors, just like now. Do you really think Americans are special/different from all other humans?

This isn’t a presidential debate. Don’t just pivot to a tangentially related talking point and think you’re fooling anyone. Answer the question or STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

I’m offended/annoyed that you’re teaching your kids it’s ok to treat other people as “less than” — that it’s ok to make fun of other cultures by stereotyping them or turning their cultures into “sexy” costumes. Dressing up as someone real because a kid wants to pretend to be them for a night—fine. Dressing like a caricature—thats punching down.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

I’m offended/annoyed that you’re teaching your kids it’s ok to treat other people as “less than” — that it’s ok to make fun of other cultures by stereotyping them or turning their cultures into “sexy” costumes. Dressing up as someone real because a kid wants to pretend to be them for a night—fine. Dressing like a caricature—thats punching down.

We're Americans: we're all victims nowadays. So there's no punching down, we are already low.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

I’m offended/annoyed that you’re teaching your kids it’s ok to treat other people as “less than” — that it’s ok to make fun of other cultures by stereotyping them or turning their cultures into “sexy” costumes. Dressing up as someone real because a kid wants to pretend to be them for a night—fine. Dressing like a caricature—thats punching down.

Then be offended or annoyed. That’s your problem to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the ethnicities mentioned here that dressing up as would be offensive.

First, it's actually really offensive for white people to deem what's offensive on behalf of another culture/race.

Second, it's always seemed like the general rule is that if you're going to dress as a certain cultural figure or similar, keep it authentic. It becomes offensive when it becomes a stereotype or charicatrue of that ethnicity or culture

You mean, like drag.

No. Drag is really it's own thing.

So we can’t dress as other races for fun, but men can dress as over the top ridiculous versions of women and we are all supposed to cheer.

No, it would be disgustingly transphobic.

Sorry, but drag= mocking women. I’m not transphobic, I’m anti-misogyny.

I'm a woman and I have never once thought that a man in drag was mocking me. Not at all.

Would you agree, then, that, if a white person dressed as someone from another race (including in an exaggerated way, like drag) that would be fine so long as it wasn’t done in a “mocking” way?

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Going as the most common thing in America, despite the dire warnings on global warming - a snowflake.

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I’m going as a Bratz Doll. I’m a guy.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

I’m offended/annoyed that you’re teaching your kids it’s ok to treat other people as “less than” — that it’s ok to make fun of other cultures by stereotyping them or turning their cultures into “sexy” costumes. Dressing up as someone real because a kid wants to pretend to be them for a night—fine. Dressing like a caricature—thats punching down.

Then be offended or annoyed. That’s your problem to deal with.

Well we agree here. I do have to deal with the fact that Americans continue to enjoy the freedom to be ignorant and racist all the time.

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Let’s all agree to be Madonna or a Golden Girl or Elizabeth Shue’s character in Adventures in Babysitting, ok?

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

I’m offended/annoyed that you’re teaching your kids it’s ok to treat other people as “less than” — that it’s ok to make fun of other cultures by stereotyping them or turning their cultures into “sexy” costumes. Dressing up as someone real because a kid wants to pretend to be them for a night—fine. Dressing like a caricature—thats punching down.

Then be offended or annoyed. That’s your problem to deal with.

Well we agree here. I do have to deal with the fact that Americans continue to enjoy the freedom to be ignorant and racist all the time.

+1. We need to start locking up anyone deemed racist by a council of wise leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's weird when adults get so into dressing up for Halloween. I get why kids like dressing up for Halloween. It's a fantasy for them and a way to try on different personas and lives. It's just a more formalized excused to play make believe which is something kids do all the time. Also candy.

As an adult I don't get what the goal is. It's not actually make believe. When people wear costumes they are not actually pretending to be these people. It's more like the goal is to prove to other adults how clever you are or how much time or money you have to devote to putting together a really good costume. It seems pointless to me. I've been to many adult Halloween parties and the costumes are basically just something you discuss for a minute and then it winds up being like any other gathering of adults. You're still just standing around drinking beer and discussing work and kids and travel. It's just that your neighbor is wearing a banana costume and when her husband comes to tell her that the sitter called and they need to go he has to take off his Kruger hand in order to get his phone out of his pocket.

I don't know. It feels like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

My take on your opinion is I think you sound like a fuddy duddy and boring person. And then you went there with this expression and then I *KNEW* you were a fuddy duddy and boring person. With a really peculiar thought process in which you assign malice and bad intent to other people's actions randomly.

Enjoy being dull and conventional. The rest of us will be over here, having fun and enjoying life.

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And coming up with clever costumes

Except 99.999999% of the costumes people think are clever are actually not. See for example every costume mentioned on this thread.

There were some good ones here. I'm sorry you can't appreciate them.

Not really. Usually what make an adult costume good is not the concept but the execution. You either need to really nail it down to the last detail (which takes time and money -- I know from experience) or you need to be so comfortable in it that it truly doesn't matter what other people think about it (think the friend who wears a banana costume every year without irony or even a whisper of embarrassment or discomfort). It's about commitment.

But I also think this is a lot to ask of middle aged people with jobs and kids. Childless people in their 20s whatever. By 40 people who get really into Halloween start to feel annoying. We went to an adult Halloween party a couple years ago where the hosts were dressed to the nines and the rest of us were like "do we really have to wear costumes" and I could tell the hosts were annoyed we didn't put in more effort but come on. I'm tired and I already had to expend a ton of effort on not just my kids' costumes but also trick or treating (going and hosting ToTs) and the school Halloween party and decorating our house and all that stuff we do to make it fun for kids. I want to throw on a black dress and a witch's hat and call it a day. Leave me alone and stop trying to make Halloween as stupidly stressful as New Years (another holiday that seems to mostly be about high expectations no one can ever meet for a lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

Yes exactly. Only today, in 2024, people should know better than to walk around in offensive costumes or worse still: dress their kids up in so thing racist or white supremacis.

If you’re getting offended by kids dressing up, perhaps it is you who needs to evolve.

I’m offended/annoyed that you’re teaching your kids it’s ok to treat other people as “less than” — that it’s ok to make fun of other cultures by stereotyping them or turning their cultures into “sexy” costumes. Dressing up as someone real because a kid wants to pretend to be them for a night—fine. Dressing like a caricature—thats punching down.

Then be offended or annoyed. That’s your problem to deal with.

Well we agree here. I do have to deal with the fact that Americans continue to enjoy the freedom to be ignorant and racist all the time.

If your head explodes because a child wants to dress as Pocahontas, so be it.