Reminder to avoid offensive Halloween costumes

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

And honestly, this is really the heart of the whole costume conversation. People who live more "primitive" lives or are from less "developed" cultures are presumed by Americans to likewise have more primitive or less developed feelings, and therefore to not care about how they are represented. Which is just unbelievably arrogant, racist, and ignorant. In 2024, we should know better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

No, I think she may well have loved her husband as well as some of the other English people. Contemporaneous correspondence supports this. She had an unusual life but not terrible. I do not prefer to think that she would have been miserable for at least half her life rather than accepting and embracing her circumstances.

(Also, people used to experience much more hardship and loss than we do now and were accustomed to it, or at least inured to it.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Last year I went as six-shooter Alec Baldwin. My plan for this year was Biden in a diaper, but that has been overtaken by events. Any suggestions? Something with Diddy baby oil maybe?

Trump in a diaper actively shitting himself while he runs away from debating Harris?

Rigged debates with leftist "news" sites is running away? Laughable.

Trump running away from having his ass handed to him again is pretty funny, I agree.

When moderators are obviously protecting one candidate and attacking the other, its no longer a fair or rational debate.
Sorry your stupidity stops you from understanding this.

JANE YOU IGNORANT SLUT!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Last year I went as six-shooter Alec Baldwin. My plan for this year was Biden in a diaper, but that has been overtaken by events. Any suggestions? Something with Diddy baby oil maybe?

Trump in a diaper actively shitting himself while he runs away from debating Harris?

Rigged debates with leftist "news" sites is running away? Laughable.

Trump running away from having his ass handed to him again is pretty funny, I agree.

When moderators are obviously protecting one candidate and attacking the other, its no longer a fair or rational debate.
Sorry your stupidity stops you from understanding this.

Tell me this: do you believe that immigrants are stealing and eating their neighbors’ pets in Springfield?

Do you think they are no troops deployed right now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the ethnicities mentioned here that dressing up as would be offensive.

First, it's actually really offensive for white people to deem what's offensive on behalf of another culture/race.

Second, it's always seemed like the general rule is that if you're going to dress as a certain cultural figure or similar, keep it authentic. It becomes offensive when it becomes a stereotype or charicatrue of that ethnicity or culture

You mean, like drag.

No. Drag is really it's own thing.

So we can’t dress as other races for fun, but men can dress as over the top ridiculous versions of women and we are all supposed to cheer.

No, it would be disgustingly transphobic.

Sorry, but drag= mocking women. I’m not transphobic, I’m anti-misogyny.

I'm a woman and I have never once thought that a man in drag was mocking me. Not at all.

I am genuinely curious: do you see a difference between minstrel shows and drag shows?

If so, please tell us why. I want to know why wearing woman face is ok, but black face is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the ethnicities mentioned here that dressing up as would be offensive.

First, it's actually really offensive for white people to deem what's offensive on behalf of another culture/race.

Second, it's always seemed like the general rule is that if you're going to dress as a certain cultural figure or similar, keep it authentic. It becomes offensive when it becomes a stereotype or charicatrue of that ethnicity or culture

You mean, like drag.

No. Drag is really it's own thing.

So we can’t dress as other races for fun, but men can dress as over the top ridiculous versions of women and we are all supposed to cheer.

No, it would be disgustingly transphobic.

Sorry, but drag= mocking women. I’m not transphobic, I’m anti-misogyny.

I'm a woman and I have never once thought that a man in drag was mocking me. Not at all.

I am genuinely curious: do you see a difference between minstrel shows and drag shows?

If so, please tell us why. I want to know why wearing woman face is ok, but black face is not.

Do you always place apples and oranges in your fruit salad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the ethnicities mentioned here that dressing up as would be offensive.

First, it's actually really offensive for white people to deem what's offensive on behalf of another culture/race.

Second, it's always seemed like the general rule is that if you're going to dress as a certain cultural figure or similar, keep it authentic. It becomes offensive when it becomes a stereotype or charicatrue of that ethnicity or culture

You mean, like drag.

Oh no, women don’t have the agency to decide whether caricatures of women are offensive. Only men can decide that on behalf of women, and men have decided that drag isn’t offensive for women so we are all good! 👍

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's weird when adults get so into dressing up for Halloween. I get why kids like dressing up for Halloween. It's a fantasy for them and a way to try on different personas and lives. It's just a more formalized excused to play make believe which is something kids do all the time. Also candy.

As an adult I don't get what the goal is. It's not actually make believe. When people wear costumes they are not actually pretending to be these people. It's more like the goal is to prove to other adults how clever you are or how much time or money you have to devote to putting together a really good costume. It seems pointless to me. I've been to many adult Halloween parties and the costumes are basically just something you discuss for a minute and then it winds up being like any other gathering of adults. You're still just standing around drinking beer and discussing work and kids and travel. It's just that your neighbor is wearing a banana costume and when her husband comes to tell her that the sitter called and they need to go he has to take off his Kruger hand in order to get his phone out of his pocket.

I don't know. It feels like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Dear God. DCUM is where the Tracy Flicks from high school end their days, isn’t it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

NP

Why are you conflating “living in their heads” (i.e. navel gazing) with “real” or “complex” emotions?

One can have real, complex emotions without dwelling on them to the extent that we do today. It seems rather obvious that the young folks today are not learning that resilience is desirable. It’s not because kids these days are more complex - it’s because they’re more self absorbed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pocahontas dressed as an English woman after she married. Was she racist?

Away and take yer face for a shite, yeh numpty eejit.

Pocahontas was kidnapped and forced to marry John Rolfe. She mourned a newborn son and a husband. She was brought to England and murdered. You think this was an effing love story and she liked the dresses?

THESE are the numbskulls who deride us for "wokeness", FFS

DP. Maybe she did. I mean, a little enjoyment in a hard life is better than none. And let's be honest, a lot of people had hard lives back then.

I can't believe anyone would think this, let alone post it. This sounds similar to "slaves were better off in America than they were in Africa." She was a person like you or me, with a life, and a family, and a community, and it was all destroyed by foreign invaders. Can you TRY and put yourself in her shoes? Do you think that if your town was invaded, 75 percent of your neighbors were killed or died of disease, you were still in your teens and ended up "married" to one of the invaders and sent to their country, you might try and get along as best you could but maybe...wished none of that had happened?

Also, for those of you dressing up your kids like Pocohontas, the earliest European explorers to the mid-Atlantic reported that the native people wore very little most of the time--the women went topless and the men wore loincloths, kids were mostly naked except in winter. Most adults were also tattooed and scarified on their faces and upper bodies.

No, I don't actually think she was traumatized the way you're thinking you would have been. I think people didn't live in their heads so much in earlier times. The death toll of disease was horrific, but the death toll from fighting was normal and expected. And I think a lot of people then (and even many people now) were flexible and could create new lives for themselves rather than just pine away.

You think that because of ignorance, racism, and white supremacy--that people who didn't speak English, have written languages, or have higher education simply couldn't have felt or expressed real emotions. Guess what--there is actually lots of literature from thousands of years ago--oral tradition from the Bronze and Iron Ages that was eventually written down, and written records from those periods, we're talking 4,000-5,000 years ago--that record people's individual feelings as well interpersonal relationships, family conflicts, political alliances, etc. that were all just as complex as what we deal with now.

NP

Why are you conflating “living in their heads” (i.e. navel gazing) with “real” or “complex” emotions?

One can have real, complex emotions without dwelling on them to the extent that we do today. It seems rather obvious that the young folks today are not learning that resilience is desirable. It’s not because kids these days are more complex - it’s because they’re more self absorbed.

People died all the time in the Victorian era and they made mourning an art form. Many Shakepearean characters—male and female—had persistent sadness after loss of a loved one. The Bible, old and new testaments, is full of stories about death and mourning and how different people deal with loss. The idea that people treated death differently in the past—or were less affected by it—because it was more common and present is a myth. Individuals were more or less likely to be emotionally resilient depending on any number of factors, just like now. Do you really think Americans are special/different from all other humans?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's weird when adults get so into dressing up for Halloween. I get why kids like dressing up for Halloween. It's a fantasy for them and a way to try on different personas and lives. It's just a more formalized excused to play make believe which is something kids do all the time. Also candy.

As an adult I don't get what the goal is. It's not actually make believe. When people wear costumes they are not actually pretending to be these people. It's more like the goal is to prove to other adults how clever you are or how much time or money you have to devote to putting together a really good costume. It seems pointless to me. I've been to many adult Halloween parties and the costumes are basically just something you discuss for a minute and then it winds up being like any other gathering of adults. You're still just standing around drinking beer and discussing work and kids and travel. It's just that your neighbor is wearing a banana costume and when her husband comes to tell her that the sitter called and they need to go he has to take off his Kruger hand in order to get his phone out of his pocket.

I don't know. It feels like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

My take on your opinion is I think you sound like a fuddy duddy and boring person. And then you went there with this expression and then I *KNEW* you were a fuddy duddy and boring person. With a really peculiar thought process in which you assign malice and bad intent to other people's actions randomly.

Enjoy being dull and conventional. The rest of us will be over here, having fun and enjoying life.

+1

And coming up with clever costumes

Except 99.999999% of the costumes people think are clever are actually not. See for example every costume mentioned on this thread.

There were some good ones here. I'm sorry you can't appreciate them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the ethnicities mentioned here that dressing up as would be offensive.

First, it's actually really offensive for white people to deem what's offensive on behalf of another culture/race.

Second, it's always seemed like the general rule is that if you're going to dress as a certain cultural figure or similar, keep it authentic. It becomes offensive when it becomes a stereotype or charicatrue of that ethnicity or culture

You mean, like drag.

No. Drag is really it's own thing.

So we can’t dress as other races for fun, but men can dress as over the top ridiculous versions of women and we are all supposed to cheer.

No, it would be disgustingly transphobic.

Sorry, but drag= mocking women. I’m not transphobic, I’m anti-misogyny.

I'm a woman and I have never once thought that a man in drag was mocking me. Not at all.

I am genuinely curious: do you see a difference between minstrel shows and drag shows?

If so, please tell us why. I want to know why wearing woman face is ok, but black face is not.

I'm the PP. I have been to many drag brunches before. I have never felt like a man in drag was mocking me. They are dressed as exaggerated versions of women, yes, but they are not then acting like they are less than other humans. They're larger than life but they're not dressing like women and then saying things like "oh my beehive hairdo is so big I can't use my brain!"

Minstrel shows, on the other hand, are when people dress as Black people and then act like they're idiots. They don't speak correctly and the don't act like normal human beings. The point is to show that Black people are somehow sub-human.

It's almost the exact opposite. Drag queens are celebrating women. Minstrel shows are denigrating Black people. You really don't get that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fall can be such a fun season, but it is important to remember: we are all in this together.

As you select costumes for yourself and your child, please avoid costumes which are culturally insensitive, as well as costumes that are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, sizeist, or ageist.

Thanks for the ideas! I’m a white woman. Definitely dressing like a geisha.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Last year I went as six-shooter Alec Baldwin. My plan for this year was Biden in a diaper, but that has been overtaken by events. Any suggestions? Something with Diddy baby oil maybe?

Trump in a diaper actively shitting himself while he runs away from debating Harris?

Rigged debates with leftist "news" sites is running away? Laughable.

Trump running away from having his ass handed to him again is pretty funny, I agree.

When moderators are obviously protecting one candidate and attacking the other, its no longer a fair or rational debate.
Sorry your stupidity stops you from understanding this.

Tell me this: do you believe that immigrants are stealing and eating their neighbors’ pets in Springfield?

Do you think they are no troops deployed right now?

Np responding to above above quote. I’ve seen immigrants pull the heads off chickens on their deck in a small, tight suburban neighborhood.