MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Agree; we need to stop all these asians! Just awful.

Great! Perfect example for people to buy in your crap that there’s no anti-Asian discrimination in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pathetic and I bet more than half the Black students are really African American (first gen citizens born to recent African immigrants). IMO, the only groups that deserve these 'set asides' are (1) Native Americans/Native-born Blacks descended from slavery on both sides; No benefits if the kids' parents are above a certain wealth threshold, and (2) Poor people regardless of color. Set aside 3-5% to each of these categories and maybe another 3-5% each for nonsense like sports and legacy and Full pay foreigners. The rest should be open competition based on academic ability.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

That was our experience, too. All the top college tours had many Asians. Good, but not top, schools had hardly any Asians or no Asians in attendance. The Asian obsession with "brand" schools is pathetic imo.

Those Asians with their brand obsessions are the worst. Just for clarification, are we talking about the Indonesians? The Yemenis? The Chinese? The Afghans? Or the Nepalis? I know it’s hard to tell the difference. All Asians look and act alike but I’m just curious.

I live in NYC and my kids attended public school for many years. I know who these people are and I know what their ethnicity is. You're not as clever as you think you are.

Oh well, of course, if you live in NYC that changes everything. It makes your anti-Asian, racist statement way cooler and “hip”.

NP. Come on, PP. You are being disingenuous. You must know that many Asian immigrant families are only ok with their kids going to top 20 colleges. Go spend 30 minutes in Reddit “applying to college” and you will see about 100 posts about this pressure.

People here will talk up about how Asian culture is to explain for their academic success, but the second you emphasize how awful it appears to grow up with the immense pressure and talk about the other cultural aspects of Asian Americans, you are labelled a racist.

The pressure is a feature, not a bug.
Asian parents love their children just as much as you do but they think that this pressure will make them better prepared for adult life.
They are willing to watch their children cry a bit so that they can have a better life as adults.
Some don't have the heart for it and their kids are happy children and less happy adults.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Agree; we need to stop all these asians! Just awful.

Great! Perfect example for people to buy in your crap that there’s no anti-Asian discrimination in this country.

I think pp was being sarcastic.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Remind me again..Why are we counting Latino numbers separately? Vote bank politics?

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

We can only hope.

Look what happened to TJ. Affirmative action in disguise to significantly reduce Asian students in favor of other races. Clear discrimination that is an "inconvenient truth":

Asians face more discrimination (sometimes language difficulties as well) than URMs and still manage to excel and gain admission to top schools and gain employment to top companies.

It clearly is NOT discrimination.

It wasn’t about reducing the number of Asian students, it was about expanding access to more kids from across the county. Which is why they ADDED seats for this expanded access.

Asian students still make up the majority of students and are accepted at a higher rate than other groups. And, in fact, there are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):


Acceptance rates (class of 2025):
Asian 19%
Black 14% (5% lower)
Multiracial/Other* 13% (6% lower)
Hispanic 21%
White 17%

Plus, the court decided it wasn’t discrimination.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

And the SCOTUS left ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/

On average, classes have ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase, more than 200% jump.



More importantly, we’ve seen representation from all middle schools and kids from lower-income families. In fact, per the courts, the students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.

TJ is not just a school for wealthy kids from feeder schools. Or wealthy kids who gained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test.

You don’t sound very smart or you’re just evil. Did you purposely forget to look at the percentage of each race?

That one way to respond when the numbers aren't on your side

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Do you know the percentage numbers? I know for a fact, Asian percentages dropped a lot after the TJ “reform”.

Mostly because the denominator increased. The actual number of Asian students attending is close to an all-time high.

Math.

Why are Asians subject to higher standards? That’s racist and unlawful.

The TJ application process is race-blind. All kids face the same standards.

Except the school board changed the admission system to reduce Asians and increase blacks/Hispanics in 2020-2021 in a rushed process during the height of pandemic. Sneaky idiots.

They wanted to increase representation from underrepresented groups. Which is why they ADDED seats to accommodate these additional kids from across the county.

There are as many Asian students there today as ever before. And they have a higher acceptance rate.

You forget to mention that number of freshmen Asian students decreased by approximately 30% after the admission change.

False. The number of Asian students in the admitted class decreased by ~16% the first year of the change compared to the prior year. Over the last 4 years, the average number is ~8% lower than the average of the preceding 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:People should read the New York Times piece. It tells a much more flavorful story than just SAT required, black students low score:

Officials said that the change in the composition of the class also had nothing to do with the reinstatement, two years ago, of the SAT as an entrance requirement. Last year’s class, for instance, had the highest proportion ever of students from underrepresented minorities, despite the reinstatement of the test, said Stuart Schmill, dean of admissions.

Mr. Schmill, the admissions dean of M.I.T., blamed a shortage of educational preparation in science and technology.

“Black and Hispanic students are less likely to attend high school where calculus is taught, where physics is taught, where computer science is taught,” he said.

Mr. Schmill said the university, which has emphasized efforts to reach out to students in those communities in the past, will have to redouble its efforts.

Mr. Schmill said the M.I.T. officials did not know whether fewer Black and Latino students had applied this year because they didn’t ask applicants about their race.

What do they teach there?

Not purely academics.

Other schools all have PE, music, art, etc.

Even within STEM they are looking beyond academics. They value creativity, leadership, and innovation. None of which are measured by standardized tests.

All three of those things a associated with IQ, so to the extent standardized tests measure IQ, they are also measuring creativity, leadership and innovation.
There is a reason people get so bent out of shape about IQ comparisons. It correlates with almost all positive non-physical attributes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

Sentiment won't change overnight.
They need to earn it over time..
Revisit in 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

We can only hope.

Look what happened to TJ. Affirmative action in disguise to significantly reduce Asian students in favor of other races. Clear discrimination that is an "inconvenient truth":

Asians face more discrimination (sometimes language difficulties as well) than URMs and still manage to excel and gain admission to top schools and gain employment to top companies.

This is changing a bit. At least in tech. Competence is too important in the current tech race.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be interesting seeing how things develop if black students fall by two thirds across the board at elite schools, which now seems possible to likely, and as DEI internships dry up at white shoe firms in banking, consulting, law.

This is obviously a boon for HBCUs.

What does black politics look like under those circumstances? Will we see the end of Obama type respectability politicians, with more radical figures stepping in? A new dawn for Afropessimism? What happens if black people have no stake in elite institutions?

They need to step up and force their reps to push for education funding at the lower levels as well as encourage their community to work harder/smarter. I think the first fight for Blacks is colleges mis-representing the "Black" number to include African Americans (kids born to recent African immigrants). Fix that first. Work at least as hard as them and see your numbers go up.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

Not surprising. Class of 2027 was the most difficult year for unhooked asians and whites, as MIT and the ivies scooped up URMs to boost the 4yr average with one last cycle it was allowed. The ivy send off photos tell the story, 2028 compared to 2027. My 2027 was lucky. Glad to see the illegal bias against two races has decreased

YOU realize that the white admissions barely budges, right?
Affirmative action never really hurt whites.
We saw this in California when they abolished affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:in 10-20 years most of these institutions will be led by Asian Americans

No, they will be led by Indian Americans. Look at the Silicon Valley.

First of all, Indians are Asians. Second, who are the current leaders of Nvidia, Broadcom and AMD?

Indian American here. I’m not Asian. Sorry. You don’t make the rules for us all.

Even Indians do not want to be classified as Asians since they can see how Asians are treated in this great country.

Indians are brown asians that turned into muslim terrorists after 9/11 and then turned into greedy opportunity hoarders during the TJ debate.

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MY DC works for IB and says there is pressure to hire more women and blacks over Asians and whites.

I don't doubt you. But despite that pressure, I'm sure that women and Black employees are significantly underrepresented among their employees. That might be why there's pressue.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess this shows that affirmative action really did hurt Asian American students. It’s interesting that it didn’t hurt white students. I actually thought it might benefit them, but it turns out it was neutral. Asians are kind of the like the 21st century Jews, schools didn’t want too many of them.

Exactly, white people tried to appease URM folks by hurting Asian Americans. They did that for over 50 years.

I always thought it was ironic that the white people were assuaging their white guilt over slavery and segregation by hurting a group of people that didn't own slaves or pass any jim crow laws.
What's next, assuaging white guilt over discriminating against asians by discriminating against the next immigrant group.

This framing is weird. It's more white people trying to keep their power and representation without compromising it. The increase in bipod is, because they pose absolutely zero threat to the white upper middle class and white wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is not fair to remove programs at MIT that help disadvantaged URMs. Affirmative action for women at MIT has a much bigger effect than affirmative action for URMs ever did. Nobody criticizes that because it benefits wealthy people.

I really hope they stay committed to it. People here don't care about diversity since they are majority white and wealthy, but I think scientific excellence in the black and hispanic community is important to not just the black/hispanic community in terms of representation but can have a tangible benefit to those communities.