Are DCUM Political Topics Changing Your Vote?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

XY’s

If people do not understand what a trans woman is, they aren’t going to understand what XY means. I’m fairly certain a large portion of the population doesn’t understand what a chromosome is.

However, if “biological man” is not acceptable, perhaps XYs can be a compromise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

XY’s

If people do not understand what a trans woman is, they aren’t going to understand what XY means. I’m fairly certain a large portion of the population doesn’t understand what a chromosome is.

However, if “biological man” is not acceptable, perhaps XYs can be a compromise.

XX and XY keeps idiots from trying to change your speech and insist you say trans whatever vs bio whatever

[Anonymous]

are DCUM political topics changing my vote? No. I make up my own mind. But like the discussions.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:That is one thing my time at DCUM has taught me: how many people, mostly extremely liberal, absolutely adore the idea of thoughtcrimes and jailing people for them. It’s been eye-opening how many extreme left DCUM posters view 1984 as an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.

It has changed my opinion on hate speech, to an extent. I used to be a very strong supporter of strong hate speech laws, but now I realize there is a large number of people who define hate speech as “all political speech I disagree with.” I am still a supporter of hate speech laws, but think they need to be very narrowly tailored.

What is happening in the UK is absolutely Orwellian right now, and it is a chilling reminder of why Orwell wrote 1984 in the first place. And it could happen here. In fact, I believe a lot of DCUM political posters would be estastic if it did happen here.

More fiction. You and the PP can form a creative writing club.

It’s truth. You are simply upset because it’s not 2020 any more, and people see through you. Sorry, you can’t jail everyone for thoughtcrime, no matter how much you want to do so.

Has anyone actually been jailed for “thought crimes”? Or even expressed that they want people jailed?

Put down the book and actively try to listen to people in the real world. This just isn’t a thing.

There are plenty of people who want Elon Musk and other Twitter posters jailed for posts. This is happening now in the UK. What is that if not thoughtcrime?

That's for incitement of violence with involves a bit more than thoughts.

That’s how you and others who want people jailed for thought justify your position, true.

That has nothing to do with me. That's what is happening in the UK. If you think people in the UK want Elon jailed for a thought crime, you are wrong. There was actual violence that occurred due to tweets on X, including some spread by Musk himself. That clearly goes beyond "thoughts".

This idea of causality is doing a lot of work here.

There is a reason why 1984 was set in the UK. The history of the novel is fascinating, and if you do not see the direct parallels between what is happening there now and what Orwell was concerned about, that is a choice on your part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is one thing my time at DCUM has taught me: how many people, mostly extremely liberal, absolutely adore the idea of thoughtcrimes and jailing people for them. It’s been eye-opening how many extreme left DCUM posters view 1984 as an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.

It has changed my opinion on hate speech, to an extent. I used to be a very strong supporter of strong hate speech laws, but now I realize there is a large number of people who define hate speech as “all political speech I disagree with.” I am still a supporter of hate speech laws, but think they need to be very narrowly tailored.

What is happening in the UK is absolutely Orwellian right now, and it is a chilling reminder of why Orwell wrote 1984 in the first place. And it could happen here. In fact, I believe a lot of DCUM political posters would be estastic if it did happen here.

More fiction. You and the PP can form a creative writing club.

It’s truth. You are simply upset because it’s not 2020 any more, and people see through you. Sorry, you can’t jail everyone for thoughtcrime, no matter how much you want to do so.

Has anyone actually been jailed for “thought crimes”? Or even expressed that they want people jailed?

Put down the book and actively try to listen to people in the real world. This just isn’t a thing.

There are plenty of people who want Elon Musk and other Twitter posters jailed for posts. This is happening now in the UK. What is that if not thoughtcrime?

We are discussing US politics.

In the US, has anyone actually been jailed for “thought crimes”? Or even expressed that they want people jailed?

Maybe a rando posted something like that but it just isn’t a thing here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is one thing my time at DCUM has taught me: how many people, mostly extremely liberal, absolutely adore the idea of thoughtcrimes and jailing people for them. It’s been eye-opening how many extreme left DCUM posters view 1984 as an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.

It has changed my opinion on hate speech, to an extent. I used to be a very strong supporter of strong hate speech laws, but now I realize there is a large number of people who define hate speech as “all political speech I disagree with.” I am still a supporter of hate speech laws, but think they need to be very narrowly tailored.

What is happening in the UK is absolutely Orwellian right now, and it is a chilling reminder of why Orwell wrote 1984 in the first place. And it could happen here. In fact, I believe a lot of DCUM political posters would be estastic if it did happen here.

More fiction. You and the PP can form a creative writing club.

It’s truth. You are simply upset because it’s not 2020 any more, and people see through you. Sorry, you can’t jail everyone for thoughtcrime, no matter how much you want to do so.

Has anyone actually been jailed for “thought crimes”? Or even expressed that they want people jailed?

Put down the book and actively try to listen to people in the real world. This just isn’t a thing.

There are plenty of people who want Elon Musk and other Twitter posters jailed for posts. This is happening now in the UK. What is that if not thoughtcrime?

That's for incitement of violence with involves a bit more than thoughts.

That’s how you and others who want people jailed for thought justify your position, true.

That has nothing to do with me. That's what is happening in the UK. If you think people in the UK want Elon jailed for a thought crime, you are wrong. There was actual violence that occurred due to tweets on X, including some spread by Musk himself. That clearly goes beyond "thoughts".

This idea of causality is doing a lot of work here.

There is a reason why 1984 was set in the UK. The history of the novel is fascinating, and if you do not see the direct parallels between what is happening there now and what Orwell was concerned about, that is a choice on your part.

Yes, many of us choose to live in reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

XY’s

If people do not understand what a trans woman is, they aren’t going to understand what XY means. I’m fairly certain a large portion of the population doesn’t understand what a chromosome is.

However, if “biological man” is not acceptable, perhaps XYs can be a compromise.

Why can’t you simply, and respectfully, say transgender girl/woman?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is one thing my time at DCUM has taught me: how many people, mostly extremely liberal, absolutely adore the idea of thoughtcrimes and jailing people for them. It’s been eye-opening how many extreme left DCUM posters view 1984 as an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.

It has changed my opinion on hate speech, to an extent. I used to be a very strong supporter of strong hate speech laws, but now I realize there is a large number of people who define hate speech as “all political speech I disagree with.” I am still a supporter of hate speech laws, but think they need to be very narrowly tailored.

What is happening in the UK is absolutely Orwellian right now, and it is a chilling reminder of why Orwell wrote 1984 in the first place. And it could happen here. In fact, I believe a lot of DCUM political posters would be estastic if it did happen here.

More fiction. You and the PP can form a creative writing club.

It’s truth. You are simply upset because it’s not 2020 any more, and people see through you. Sorry, you can’t jail everyone for thoughtcrime, no matter how much you want to do so.

Has anyone actually been jailed for “thought crimes”? Or even expressed that they want people jailed?

Put down the book and actively try to listen to people in the real world. This just isn’t a thing.

There are plenty of people who want Elon Musk and other Twitter posters jailed for posts. This is happening now in the UK. What is that if not thoughtcrime?

That's for incitement of violence with involves a bit more than thoughts.

That’s how you and others who want people jailed for thought justify your position, true.

Nobody here has said they want people jailed over thoughts.

Stop manufacturing these paranoid scenarios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

Is that what you think you're doing when you call trans women biological men? Are you saying that you only call trans women biological men when specifically speaking about sports? I think you can just say what advantage you think a trans woman specifically has. You seem to be also implying that it's obvious that all trans women have some innate advantage over cis women in all circumstances.

I do not believe I can control what anyone thinks. It's extremely common for transphobic people to call trans women male though like you did. Oh look at your male behavior. Or look at your aggressive male behavior when trans women act at all in a way transphobic people disagree with. When trans women try to conform to whatever standards are set, those same people will claim that trans women are making a mockery of woman hood or whatever. As I said, sports is just one step towards trying to ban transition for all transgender people. There's one single trans woman on DCUM and you can't help but use personal attacks and claim I'm acting male because I put out that I'm trans which makes me vulnerable to your personal attacks while you sit in a tower of invulnerability and anonymity.

[Anonymous]

I do agree that the far left has gone too far in labeling everything hate speech.

But I have also never been close minded nor anti-trans or racist. I went to a LGBTQ friendly site to find politically correct definitions so that going forward there is no issue of being maliciously accused of being anti-trans when discussing topics on DCUM.

Here is what I found:

Assigned Female At Birth (AFAB) or Female-Assigned-at-Birth (FAAB): An individual assigned female at birth.

Assigned Male At Birth (AMAB) or Male-Assigned-at-Birth (MAAB): An individual assigned male at birth.

Assigned Sex or Sex Assigned At Birth: The sex (typically M or F) that is assigned to a person based on external genitalia at birth.

Apparently, the term "biological sex at birth" while still technically totally accurate as it is simply a scientific term, has been deemed by the left to be derogatory and as they are authoritarian...it is no longer politically correct to use that term. Fine with me...but as someone who grew up loving biology classes and having a minor in biology, please be patient as I still may on occasion refer to "biological sex at birth" for all people regardless of gender. Old habits are hard to break. That doesn’t mean I am anti-trans or mean it as anything other than simply what it is..a defined term.

So referring to a transwoman as someone who was "assigned male at birth" or "whose sex was assigned male at birth" can therefore not at all be considered hurtful or derogatory as it is simply stating a politically and LGBTQ acceptable defined term. Much less classified as hate speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

1. No one is trying to control what you think. We would like you not to use hurtful language. Stop playing the victim.

2. You are ridiculous claiming that people who don't want you to say hateful things about others are anywhere remotely the same as the far-right people who want to “strip the right to vote from women”. Absolutely and absurdly ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I come on here to laugh at the sheeple that are suddenly pro-Kamaka despite never casting a vote for her in their life.

+1 Y’all cain’t take away mah freedom.

Look at the UK where you can be jailed for a social media post.

https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/24516089.sutton-man-61-chanted-who-f-allah-jailed/

A 61 year old man in the UK was just sentenced to 18 months in prison for *pointing* at the police and shouting “who the eff is allah?”.


Does this seem reasonable, DCUM? Because this sounds like the sort of stuff that many people here would support. And I have a real problem with that.

He pleaded guilty to violent disorder. When you plead guilty, there is often a penalty associated with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do agree that the far left has gone too far in labeling everything hate speech.

But I have also never been close minded nor anti-trans or racist. I went to a LGBTQ friendly site to find politically correct definitions so that going forward there is no issue of being maliciously accused of being anti-trans when discussing topics on DCUM.

Here is what I found:

Assigned Female At Birth (AFAB) or Female-Assigned-at-Birth (FAAB): An individual assigned female at birth.

Assigned Male At Birth (AMAB) or Male-Assigned-at-Birth (MAAB): An individual assigned male at birth.

Assigned Sex or Sex Assigned At Birth: The sex (typically M or F) that is assigned to a person based on external genitalia at birth.

Apparently, the term "biological sex at birth" while still technically totally accurate as it is simply a scientific term, has been deemed by the left to be derogatory and as they are authoritarian...it is no longer politically correct to use that term. Fine with me...but as someone who grew up loving biology classes and having a minor in biology, please be patient as I still may on occasion refer to "biological sex at birth" for all people regardless of gender. Old habits are hard to break. That doesn’t mean I am anti-trans or mean it as anything other than simply what it is..a defined term.

So referring to a transwoman as someone who was "assigned male at birth" or "whose sex was assigned male at birth" can therefore not at all be considered hurtful or derogatory as it is simply stating a politically and LGBTQ acceptable defined term. Much less classified as hate speech.

“Assigned male at birth” requires accepting that “male” is something that can be “assigned” by some amorphous being in the first place. The descriptor requires acceptance of a thought framework. It is a good example of how trans activists have iron control over speech in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

Is that what you think you're doing when you call trans women biological men? Are you saying that you only call trans women biological men when specifically speaking about sports? I think you can just say what advantage you think a trans woman specifically has. You seem to be also implying that it's obvious that all trans women have some innate advantage over cis women in all circumstances.

I do not believe I can control what anyone thinks. It's extremely common for transphobic people to call trans women male though like you did. Oh look at your male behavior. Or look at your aggressive male behavior when trans women act at all in a way transphobic people disagree with. When trans women try to conform to whatever standards are set, those same people will claim that trans women are making a mockery of woman hood or whatever. As I said, sports is just one step towards trying to ban transition for all transgender people. There's one single trans woman on DCUM and you can't help but use personal attacks and claim I'm acting male because I put out that I'm trans which makes me vulnerable to your personal attacks while you sit in a tower of invulnerability and anonymity.

Women who do not use anonymity to decry the male pattern violence associated with the trans rights movement are subject to horrific violence, death threats, rape threats, etc. It is male privilege that you can speak openly about what you want, without fearing violence, rape, and death threats. If that is upsetting to you, then look around at the people celebrating violence against women. The girls who spoke up about Lia Thomas’s locker room behavior are regularly threatened and trans rights activists are absolutely fine with it and remain silent at best.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff, "biological man" is really just a dog whistle. I'll see comments online (not here because Jeff thankfully won't allow it to progress to that point) where people will describe transgender girls as "biological men in girl's sports" or "biological men in the girl's bathroom". As though a 14 or 15 year old transgender girl is the same as a 50 year old cisgender man. Calling trans women biological men instead of trans women then complaining about your language being policed makes it pretty clear how you actually feel. Jeff made a really good point, if they're interchangeable to you, then why don't you use the term trans women instead of biological man? I guess the real question is why do you even put on a show and lie about it? The people posting on this board are smart enough to see what you're doing. It's pretty transparent.

Do trans women have a biological advantage in sports? Maybe. I have no idea. I'm not into sports and I've never conducted or reviewed research on trans women in sports. What I do know is that there were no transgender women in the Olympics so the transphobic people had to create a trans woman out of a cis woman to have something to be upset about. Ever since RvW was overturned, the discourse over trans people (and especially trans women) has really blown up. If Lia Thomas had been allowed in the Olympics the Imane Khelif discourse never would have happened because it was manufactured to create more outrage against trans people.

The sports thing just seems to be an easy entry point with a final goal of debating if any transgender person should be allowed to transition regardless of age. I think it's pretty unlikely that all gender transition is ever going to be banned. Places like Maryland and DC would never enforce a federal mandate like that (in the same way that they don't enforce many federal anti-marijuana laws).

- the only trans woman that posts on DCUM

Can you please give us a descriptor to use that is not “trans woman” that permits us to reference retained male biological characteristics in a straightforward way? Not a long explanation, not a paragraph. Or are any and all terms that reference male biology “hateful”?

Also, more generally, why do you believe you can control and should be able to control what women say and think, particularly on matters related to their safety and achievement? This (extremely male) desire to fully control women’s speech, thoughts, experiences, and spaces is one of the most disturbing aspects of trans ideology. You really aren’t any different than the far-right theocrats who want to strip the right to vote from women, or who want them killed for showing hair in public, or who want to force them to bear children. Your post just reinforces for me that trans ideology is at heart a men’s rights movement.

Is that what you think you're doing when you call trans women biological men? Are you saying that you only call trans women biological men when specifically speaking about sports? I think you can just say what advantage you think a trans woman specifically has. You seem to be also implying that it's obvious that all trans women have some innate advantage over cis women in all circumstances.

I do not believe I can control what anyone thinks. It's extremely common for transphobic people to call trans women male though like you did. Oh look at your male behavior. Or look at your aggressive male behavior when trans women act at all in a way transphobic people disagree with. When trans women try to conform to whatever standards are set, those same people will claim that trans women are making a mockery of woman hood or whatever. As I said, sports is just one step towards trying to ban transition for all transgender people. There's one single trans woman on DCUM and you can't help but use personal attacks and claim I'm acting male because I put out that I'm trans which makes me vulnerable to your personal attacks while you sit in a tower of invulnerability and anonymity.

Women who do not use anonymity to decry the male pattern violence associated with the trans rights movement are subject to horrific violence, death threats, rape threats, etc. It is male privilege that you can speak openly about what you want, without fearing violence, rape, and death threats. If that is upsetting to you, then look around at the people celebrating violence against women. The girls who spoke up about Lia Thomas’s locker room behavior are regularly threatened and trans rights activists are absolutely fine with it and remain silent at best.

Are you under the impression that trans women are not subject to horrific violence, death threats, rape threats, etc.?