What rights is Donald taking away

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

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It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

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I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

The best information we have to go on is what he did during his term in power.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

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So sick of Democrats constantly fear mongering over abortion - and I’m pro-choice! It is now a state issue, period.

If it is a state issue “period” why was Lindsay Graham trying for a 15 week Federal ban?

Lindsey Graham doesn’t speak for Republicans. And most were against his proposal. Next…
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/grahams-abortion-ban-senate-gop-00056423

He speaks for at least one Republican. Which is why they should not be trusted on this issue.

Again, nice try but no. If you read the linked article, most Republicans pushed back on this. Abortion is now a state issue.

In Trump's own platform he seems not to think of it as a state issue as the language states: "We will oppose Late Term Abortion"

That language indicates they will pursue overriding state law when they disagree with it. Note that Trump's own platform does not give any language about life or health of the mother, rape, incest, fatal abnormalities, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what rights did he take away during his first term? None. Not even the right to have an abortion; that was returned to the states to decide.

The Supreme Court took away the federal protection— meaning yes, the right. The supremacy clause of the constitution means federal protection overruled states trying to take away those exact rights from their citizens.

No one is falling for “Trump didn’t do it!” Because he brags about it.

You know Trump doesn’t work for the Supreme Court, right?

Exactly, they work for him. :roll:

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Anonymous wrote:Right to choose

Is he getting rid of choosing condoms and birth control?

Says the person who knows nothing about pregnancy. FYI, people who WANT to be pregnant also NEED abortions sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Thank you. The absolute nuttery displayed on this thread (and so many others) is staggering. But then I remember this is just how a tiny group of LWNJs thinks and is thankfully not representative of the country as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:Right to choose

Is he getting rid of choosing condoms and birth control?

Says the person who knows nothing about pregnancy. FYI, people who WANT to be pregnant also NEED abortions sometimes.

Definitely. Forced birthers are clueless about actual birthing. Just keep them away from this private matter.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

What contrary evidence?! All we've ever seen of this lunatic is him trying to take for himself and take away from everyone else.

His platform. On his website. But you all just say “he’s lying.”

That's right. He's a serial liar. Nothing he communicates can or should be trusted. We now have eight years of experience there.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Thank you. The absolute nuttery displayed on this thread (and so many others) is staggering. But then I remember this is just how a tiny group of LWNJs thinks and is thankfully not representative of the country as a whole.

The language of Trump's own platform indicates an intent to override state laws if they allow late term abortion; his platform does not list any exceptions such as life/health of mother.

If Trump is not a risk to state-decided abortion rights, well, he has a poor way of wording it in his platform.

"After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of
the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access
to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments)"

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Thank you. The absolute nuttery displayed on this thread (and so many others) is staggering. But then I remember this is just how a tiny group of LWNJs thinks and is thankfully not representative of the country as a whole.

The language of Trump's own platform indicates an intent to override state laws if they allow late term abortion; his platform does not list any exceptions such as life/health of mother.

If Trump is not a risk to state-decided abortion rights, well, he has a poor way of wording it in his platform.

"After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of
the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access
to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments)"

Interesting that he thinks he can take on IVF. I thought that was now a "states right" issue. What are we to take as truth from that garbled, inconsistent "official platform"?

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Is he getting rid of choosing condoms and birth control?

Says the person who knows nothing about pregnancy. FYI, people who WANT to be pregnant also NEED abortions sometimes.

Definitely. Forced birthers are clueless about actual birthing. Just keep them away from this private matter.

Forced killers are clueless about actual killing. Ripping baby body parts limb by limb. Crushing skulls. Keep them away from this!

To be clear, medication that stops the heart is given first, and to be clear, if it is threatening my life and ability to mother my two existing children, yes I would proceed with a late term abortion without hesitation. And yes over a c section which is more invasive and carries higher risk. And lastly to be clear, if the fetus carries a fatal abnormality, I would rather this procedure than being forced to carry to term.

Screw you and your dictator tendencies toward what women decide with their bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s taking away taxes on tips

LOL, he can propose it but the House of Representatives writes the tax laws and that will never happen.

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I'm pretty sure he'll come for everyone's guns as part of the shift to an autocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a real question, OP is just trying to drum up a chance to troll.

You are weird OP, just like your strange, senile, rambling leader.

Trump is just pathetic and weird and you have no interest in discussing policy.

Sad

It is a 100% real question. So far no one has able to list what freedoms he is stripping away, and then subsequently backing it up. Can you do that? Or are you calling troll because you can’t?

+1
I love how, when called out on their lies, they splutter and lie some more. Not a huge fan of Trump, but there are no rights he's taking away from anyone. How ludicrous, but I guess this is all the left has to try and convince their low-information voters.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare.

That's all on Trump.

You can yakety yak all you like, but we here all know the truth.

Many women no longer have the right to healthcare????

So many women can no longer see doctors, get prescriptions filled, have medical tests and treatments, be admitted to hospitals??? How did I miss that?

Right?!? I somehow missed that too. Was it on CNN? The NYT? WSJ? Apple News? Anyone cover this breaking story?

Plenty of stories about pregnant women bleeding out, going septic and almost dying because of Trump, sicko.

Trump did that.

Holy hell the Supreme Court did that.

+100 Abortion is a state issue not a federal one. What exactly do you think Trump is going to do if reelected? It is up to the states now which is where it should have been in the first place.

Slavery is a state issue, too, AMIRITE?

Maybe you’ve never been to the doctor before but most healthcare is state run and abortion is a healthcare issue therefore a federal abortion ban isn’t even possibly as healthcare is state run and all the blue states obviously wouldn’t allow it. The so called blue wave that happened in 2022 in red states means women already voted on the abortion issue and chose their preferred state representatives and therefore this election won’t be a referendum on abortion like Kamala and her supporters delusionally believe.

Kamala can’t do anything if the Supreme Court remains red. She will need to nominate and make sure 2 judges are confirmed.

Liberals need to lay the blame at RBG for not resigning and Obama for not pushing Merrick by using the bully pulpit and social media to bash Republicans (even Trump does this well). Obama didn’t Adt like he was the boss in Washington but like Republicans were his manager.

All Trump did was his due diligence as a President and to his voters by selecting two conservative pro-life judges. He did what he said and what he promised as a thank you to his voters even though he obviously doesn’t personally agree.

Abortion will be a huge driver for women and the youth to the polls. It's delusional and cope to think otherwise. That's why Trump is currently hiding from the issue.

Once again he has said the same thing in recent interviews including the debate with Biden it is now up to the STATES!! Seriously what do you not understand? Trump has said it is where it should have always been.....the states and for the people to decide. If Trump gets reelected nothing will change on this. If Kamala gets elected nothing will change on this. Get it? The Democrats love to dangle this issue like a carrot for women. Meanwhile we have a Democratic President in office now. Why isn't he doing anything if you think this is a federal issue?

Why do you think this is a states issue? Are there examples of other medical treatments being outlawed in one state vs. another?

I can see how a trusting and optimistic voter might have looked at the Dobbs decision and concluded it would now be a states issues.

Except the right wing immediately— immediately— started trying to put together a national ban. In September of 2022 they were rolling out a 15 week national ban. They have showed us what they want and we would be foolish to believe that changed.

Because the Dobbs decision didn’t leave the issue up to the states, it left it up to “the people and their representatives” which includes Congress.

I totally agree. I just mean the bad faith “OMG ITS A STATES ISSUE” posters need to explain why the republicans tripped over themselves to try to pass a federal ban in 2022 if this was understood to be a states issue.

It’s no secret to anyone that Roe was the best thing to ever happen to Republican fundraising. A national abortion ban has been their North Star goal, and chief wedge issue, for nearly 50 years, medical science and the views of women notwithstanding. Dobbs was absolutely a victory for them regardless of whether it achieved the goal.

Relevant to this thread, though, the president can do very little to take it the rest of the way; as noted, this is up to Congress, SCOTUS, and voters.

So all of this bickering doesn’t answer the question: what rights might Donald Trump personally be able to and likely to remove? Conversely, what rights might Kamala Harris personally be able to and likely to restore?

Not abortion, obviously.

It's untrue that Trump can't and won't do immediate damage to abortion rights.

He can ban mifepristone from being shipped via the Comstock Act with a stroke of a pen.

He can also declare IUDs and birth control pills as abortifacients, and ban those as well.

DP. Except that’s exactly the opposite of what his platform states. Nice try.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Trump is a serial liar. It just doesn't matter what his platform says. It really doesn't.

So you’re going to just keep claiming he’s stripping all Americans of their rights because no one can ever prove otherwise? Despite things he’s said and news articles and his platform itself?

I mean just be honest. Say “I hate him so I’m not voting for him.” Stop trotting out all these other baseless claims (and yes they are baseless - just because you don’t trust him is not actual proof).

Yes, I'm going to continue claiming his posted platform is a pack of lies because that's who is has proven to be.

I mean you can continue to do that, but it doesn’t make you look too good if when confronted with contrary evidence to your claim you just keep saying “he’s lying.” Once again, this is your opinion, not fact.

You won’t say why his platform is supposed to be more “truthful” than anything else he has said on abortion, or his VP says. That’s fact.

It’s the most current information we have to go on. What more do you want?

Exactly what I asked for— why the “most current” version of his position on the issue should be considered more truthful than the statements he made as President (20 week ban) or in March of this year (15 week ban).

If his thinking has changed and he suddenly supports women’s rights he hasn’t said so. All we can conclude is he is lying in at least two of the above instances.

So it’s either what’s stated on his campaign website as of today, or your stalwart belief that he’s lying.

I know which one I’m going with.

Sounds good, go with it. Trump needs marks like you to have a chance.